Jimmy Carter vs. Barack Obama; way too similar
 

Laura Ingraham put together this clip of Obama channeling one of our nations biggest failures as President. The inimitable Jimmy Carter. History has a way of repeating itself, doesn't' it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=mWAdt07XPgY

That's scarier than a Steven King movie

Will this be playing in all 57 states?

so, are "they" going to keep throwing this $#!+ up against the wall until it sticks?

What's a $#!+?

lol... :cool:

Jimmy Carter must be very happy. He has finally been replaced as the country's worst president. (This is where the Liberals say "what about Bush?")

Vote Obama in '12.

THIS is the man we elected to be our President. A man with NO...NADA...leadership ability or experience and it has shown itself month after month of his Presidency. He has lied on about every issue, including his "landmark" health care bill, something we dont talk about much right now but will be an anchor on this country for many many years, a bill conceived in secrecy and payoffs.

An OPINION piece to be sure, but one that hits the ball out of the park...

"Is Obama a pathological liar?"

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ological-liar/

A piece from the article...

"In the weird world that is Washington, men and women say things daily, hourly, even minutely, that they know deep down are simply not true. Inside the Beltway, we all call those utterances “rhetoric.”

But across the rest of the country, plain ol’ folk call ‘em lies. Bald-faced (even bold-faced) lies. Those folks have a tried-and-true way of determining a lie: If you know what you’re saying is patently false, then it’s a lie. Simple.

And lately, the president has been lying so much that his pants could burst into flames at any moment.

His late-evening news conference Friday was a tour de force of flat-out, unadulterated mendacity — and we’ve gotten a first-hand insider’s view of the president’s long list of lies."

The Washington Times Is
 

a right wing rag. Did they do an article about Bush's lies about WMD that got us into a war that cost thousands of lives and hundreds of billions of dollars? Any "lies" that Obama may be guilty of pale in comparison to those told by the Bush-Chaney gang.

I sure dont know...many did over the years.

Guess we would have to check the old archives to see as it was almost a DECADE ago, ! Just not sure what that little venture would get anybody, but someday bringing up George Bush all the time is going to wear thin.

Almost, But Not Quite As Thin
 

as someone bringing up Jimmy Carter.

Something never change around here.

Criticize this president and if not called a racist, you can count on Bush's name being brought up and the source will be called a right wing rag. These are ALWAYS the response.

Could have been interesting to discuss the CONTENTS of the article but folks like yourself who blindly follow whatever this man says, will never change.

A lost cause. Obama good...everything and everyone else bad. I got it...do not criticize this guy...he is above it no matter what he is telling you and how untrue.

Sorry, But I Do Not
 

blindly follow the man, or support all his positions. Unfortunately there are those like yourself who blindly follow his detractors. Just trying to add a little balance to a forum dominated by those who think anyone who attacks the president is worthy of their support.

So, tell us again who voted for the war? You guys tell that worn out lie so much, you think people will start to believe it. Obama is a liar. Plain and simple.

Actor is in love, and love means never having to say you're sorry:)

And you're what you once called Obama
 

remember?

My question to you is
 

how do you discuss Obama's performance in office without bringing up Bush? Obama was left with a bigger mess by his predecessor than any president in modern times except for possibly FDR. Two unfunded wars, unfunded tax cuts to the wealthiest 1-2 percent, unfunded and politically motivated Medicare Part D- a gift to the pharmaceutical industry- a near total collapse of the credit markets, lowest consumer confidence in a generation, etc. What did you expect Obama to do, wave a wand and make everything good again?

We were discussing his lying and lack of leadership !!!!

Changing Your Position
 

once you get in office due to changing circumstances or new realities is a lie? Name me a president who hasn't done so. That's a far cry from an outright lie that brought us into a costly war.

You are quite the character,...the party must be so proud.

Why dont you discuss each issue...I talked about the lying on the healthcare in my post.....was that a result of changing circumstances ?

I talked about his total VOID of leadership in almost all issues...is that a result of changing circumstances ?

I anticipate how Bush made him lie or Bush took away his leadership or barring that, the Republican party but in no way is it his fault....we understand where you stand on that.....

First of all
 

I reject the idea that he lied about healthcare. Just because it's in an article that you read in a totally biased publication does not make it so. There was a lot of behind the scenes horse trading in the healthcare debate that neither you nor I are privy to. Political leadership is often exerted behind closed doors. It's easy to take pot shots when all the facts are not available.

I must have totally misunderstood the OFT REPEATED promise of an open debate on that issue ! I must have misunderstood the "politics will not enter into it" comments. I also misunderstand what even the left wing press acknowledges about the back room deals that he made in order to swing those in HIS PARTY who opposed it.

Then, I misunderstood all the polls that showed the majority of americans to be against it.

You are certainly correct........I have no facts and am way off base here.

You keep this up and I may join you in promoting him to King, and will defend him on every issue as you do. Obviously, I unlike you, thought he was fallible ! And here he is just misunderstood !

You make a very serious misjudgement when you keep saying and insinuating that everyone who criticizes your hero is a Republican, or a Bush lover..I suppose that makes you feel comfortable but I can assure you from my perspective it isnt close.

Yes, Obama is hated by members of all parties. He is a socialist who does not really care about the working stiff. Where are all the jobs?

So In Conclusion, It Bothered You
 

a great deal that Obama made backroom political deals to push through a law that gives healthcare coverage to uninsured citizens, prohibits insurance companies from excluding beneficiaries based on pre-existing conditions, etc, and lowers the deficit by $143 billion over the first ten years-CBO estimate-. If you only support programs that did not involve backroom deals, that leaves very little legislation that you support. BTW, LBJ had to twist a lot of arms and make backroom political deals to get Medicare approved. Are you on Medicare? Also, read up a little on how Bush pushed through Medicare Part D in the middle of the night, and the deals that were made to get that approved.

Do you even know
 

what a socialist is? You know it's very difficult not to get personal on this forum when you are faced with posters like you.

Typical left-leaning party responses. Berate the people that do not agree with you. I have read many threads here and you are the most insulting individual here. You would be banned on many forums. You are disrespectful.

To the "actor"
 

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This is in the User CP. Do youo know how to read?

YEP....because he had to do what he did...paying off folks simply because straight up he didnt have the votes for this total trainwreck of a bill EVEN AMONG HIS OWN PARTY. This bill, and you can write it down, is going to be an albatross around all our necks for some time. Yep, also because it was the TOTAL OPPOSITE of what he said over and over again that he would do, AND he did despite most americans being opposed. We see a bit of the irony as people are backing away in droves even those who originally supported him on it.

And please cease and desist on the Bush rhetoric. I am not, nor ever been a Bush supporter and you actually weaken and cheapen everything you say when you say that stuff. You sound like lad on the playground with the constant harping on Bush. He has been gone for over THREE YEARS and if you mean to say that Obama can lie about issues because Bush did, then we have a far more serious problem AND THAT IS WHAT YOU IMPLY....by always saying Bush did it...or something to that affect.

I have been criticizing this man...Obama....since well before he was even the candidate so it is not sour grapes. Search just this forum and you will find that to be the truth so this is not some party hack. He never had what it takes to fill this job and he is gettting worse. I am not a "johnny come lately" and jumping on the pile on Obama..I called him not capable before he was even a serious threat for the candidacy.

This is not a referendum on Bush...it is on Obama.....he has been in the Oval office for over 3 years now. He has not surpised me on bit on how he has acted. He never had any leadership positions, had no leadership skills and has never done much in his life but TALK. He is a very smart man and very articulate but he had none of his own ideas and floats around trying to satisfy folks.

He had many chances to show leadership and we have mentioned the health bill...that was one. He chose TO IGNORE the majority of americans who opposed it...he chose TO IGNORE the majority of politicians, even in his own party, who opposed it. He chose TO IGNORE the chance to have a viable public debate on the subject.

Again, understand, I am not posting here to set up 2012...I have been posting anti Obama on here, as I said WELL BEFORE he was even the candidate...when it looked like Clinton would be the nominee.

I invite you to read about this President...read his autobiographies (TWO of them and they even differ)...read about his time in Chicago.what he said..what he did (most times different)...WHO he was associated with at the time which is what made up the man.

His non decisive positions on things will not surprise anyone who has read his background

Civility Went Out
 

on this forum a long time ago, and it was not my doing. I'll make a deal with you, I won't respond to a thing you post anymore. It won't be difficult since nothing you've posted to date is worthy of a serious response.

You make some valid
 

points and are certainly entitled to your feelings about the president. BTW, by bringing up Bush and his failures as a leader, I feel that I am pointing out the hypocrisy that runs rampant on this forum. They are quick to identify things about Obama that they were only too happy to ignore in previous administrations. One thing you have to admit. It takes courage to push through legislation that as you indicate most Americans were opposed to. How many political leaders have we had that would stick their fingers in the air, and base every decision on what was at the moment the popular thing to do? BTW, Obama's healthcare bill, as you know, is pretty much the same as the one advocated by then Governor Romney who may very well be his opponent in 2012. I'll be curious to see how Mitt Romney explains this in the campaign.

What's lol?:D

"It takes courage to push through legislation that as you indicate most Americans were opposed to."

You keep reading what you posted above and tell me what is wrong with THAT picture.

There were differences between Obama's and Romney's....the most glaring to me is one was a STATE law and the other for the ENTIRE COUNTRY...that is a HUGE difference,

But as you said..it takes guts to push something through that Amerians did not want !

All I'm Saying Is That
 

sometimes things that appear unpopular to begin with, end up being very successful. Up until the 1980's and even beyond that, it was the goal of most Republicans, especially RR, to kill Medicare. Now Medicare is hugely popular. And yes, Romney will have a difficult time explaining why a program he pushed through in Mass is not a good thing for the rest of the country.

I'm actually a very nice
 

guy. Oops, I promised not to respond to you. My bad.

Nice guys
 

don't go around calling people morons and stupid. I think we all should try to "talk" to people here like your actually looking that person in their eyes.

Fair enough
 

we can all use a little more civility on this forum. I'll be the first to admit that I'm guilty of overreacting.

1-Mitt Romney is not a viable option for the presidential candidacy for any person who is truly a conservative.
2~Medicare is hugely popular?!?! With whom is it popular and for what reason do the "whom's" think that it is popular? My mother-in-law has blood work done every month with the bill being over $200 and Medicare only pays the lab $11. She is of the generation that was happy to go with the "Medicare in my future" plan/social experiment. However, she is not far gone enough to wonder how the lab can afford to remain in operation with that piddly reimbursement. A physician friend of mine lost close to 20% of his annual revenue at his family practice office just because of reductions in reimbursement. How can he afford to take on anymore Medicare patients! He is not an extravagant man either! Also, I have paid into the Medicare system all my working life, but I would have preferred to been able to keep my money and tried my own "XXX in my future" plan/experiment. But that freedom to choose was taken from me long before I ever got my first job. Anyway, I am a little confused how the blanket statement can be made about the popularity of Medicare...."cool:

LMAO...:cool:

See what happens
 

when politicians talk about cutting Medicare. Seniors go through the roof.