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Guest 09-05-2011 08:27 PM

War on Tea Party & Republicans
 
Speaking of TeaPartiers and Republicans, Jimmy Hoffa says "Let's take these sons of b*****s out!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...tches_out.html

Then Obama says that he is proud of him!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid..._of_hoffa.html

...If this isn't reminiscient of Nazi Germany, I don't know what is?

Guest 09-05-2011 09:08 PM

Nazi Germany? What are you talking about? Are you equating Obama with Hitler? The unions are the brownshirts? The guy might not be a good President but ...

Guest 09-05-2011 09:11 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 390806)
Nazi Germany? What are you talking about? Are you equating Obama with Hitler? The unions are the brownshirts? The guy might not be a good President but ...

Yes, yes and yes. Obama has his brownshirts. Where you been?

Guest 09-05-2011 09:17 PM

Nazi parallel or not, what do you think of this President and his friends and their idea of working together?

Guest 09-05-2011 09:56 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 390806)
Nazi Germany? What are you talking about? Are you equating Obama with Hitler? The unions are the brownshirts? The guy might not be a good President but ...

Haven't you been listening?

Guest 09-05-2011 10:14 PM

Typical TeaParty propaganda technique of demonizing by association with a hated name.

Guest 09-05-2011 10:28 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 390824)
Typical TeaParty propaganda technique of demonizing by association with a hated name.

The head of my union, The Teamsters. did in fact call for the President to recognize that he has an army waiting, and that army was organized labor and that this army will on command "Take this son's of bi*ches out!!, referring to the Tea Party. I'm a little ashamed of my former union at this moment. Propaganda??; heck no, it the God's honest truth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=ehnCz-n_WyQ

Guest 09-05-2011 11:02 PM

More thuggery.

Nothing new from that crowd.

It's good for non-union workers to see how their President views them.

Guest 09-06-2011 05:59 AM

I really never realized how radical and far right some of you were. I will not hit the ignore button because I do want to know what the enemy is spouting but in all honesty I cannot tolerate anyone who will say that a man who has been President for 3 years compares in any way to the worst dictator in history. To make this comparison shows a hatred beyond anything rational. I can only hope that true Americans see the evil in this comparison.

Guest 09-06-2011 06:12 AM

Well something has to be done. Its not as if there are no Democrats in the Tea Party and I am sure there must be a few Union members also. I do not accept that we are as far apart as our fearless leaders in the congress, the senate and even the white house try to portray. It is becoming one big arm wrestling contest between the parties and the price is a big loss no matter which arm breaks first. Realistic compromise is a must. I don't want everything the Tea Party is DEMANDING, but we sure as &^% can't survive forever the way the money is running out of Washington.
Wait a minute, the weather is keeping us from getting on the road, so I have a few more thinks to voice here.
Would it not work if each party started putting money back like say:::::
Cut programs that each side wants, one at a time measured in dollars.
Call them temporary cuts, and put a startup time on them being when the economy can afford them again.


Now if that don't work, take 5 % or whatever it takes from every government program until we get right again.

Balancing a budget should be so easy and I say it would be if everyone in Washington pulled their greedy hands out of the till.

Guest 09-06-2011 07:41 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 390851)
I really never realized how radical and far right some of you were. I will not hit the ignore button because I do want to know what the enemy is spouting but in all honesty I cannot tolerate anyone who will say that a man who has been President for 3 years compares in any way to the worst dictator in history. To make this comparison shows a hatred beyond anything rational. I can only hope that true Americans see the evil in this comparison.

This rhetoric has been used by both sides far to often. I used to use this same type of speech until I talked about it with a Jewish friend of mine. We should all hope that the brown shirts NEVER return.

That being said we will not get anywhere if both sides continue to use such inflammatory speech. The point could have been made without the hate speech.

Guest 09-06-2011 08:02 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 390807)
Yes, yes and yes. Obama has his brownshirts. Where you been?

Trying to be an American, supporting our President instead of hoping he will fail (and therefore, the country) and comparing him to an evil man in history. :cus:

Guest 09-06-2011 08:20 AM

The union leader is merely following suit with the current administration...WORDS....backed by nothing....no reality....no capability....and mostly NO INTENT!!!

btk

Guest 09-06-2011 08:22 AM

just watched the ENTIRE Hoffa speech not the EDITED Fox version. I thought it was a great speech. He is right on. Republicans have been at "war" with the unions for years basically trying to get rid of them(see Wisconsin and Minnesota)and a union leader responds in kind and some people dont like it. Too bad.

Guest 09-06-2011 08:29 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 390891)
just watched the ENTIRE Hoffa speech not the EDITED Fox version. I thought it was a great speech. He is right on. Republicans have been at "war" with the unions for years basically trying to get rid of them(see Wisconsin and Minnesota)and a union leader responds in kind and some people dont like it. Too bad.

Please provide link of any Tea Party leader using anything close to Hoffa's violent rhetoric. Just one will do.

Guest 09-06-2011 08:39 AM

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Please provide link of any Tea Party leader using anything close to Hoffa's violent rhetoric. Just one will do.

U R kidding right? It might be hard to find but at least one comes to mind during the healthcare debate. Should we mention the gun crosshairs on Palin's website?

Guest 09-06-2011 08:42 AM

http://www.sodahead.com/united-state...estion-934215/

Guest 09-06-2011 08:44 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 390851)
I really never realized how radical and far right some of you were. I will not hit the ignore button because I do want to know what the enemy is spouting but in all honesty I cannot tolerate anyone who will say that a man who has been President for 3 years compares in any way to the worst dictator in history. To make this comparison shows a hatred beyond anything rational. I can only hope that true Americans see the evil in this comparison.

:agree: Just not sure if it is hatred or pure ignorance or wanting to be inflamatory..

Guest 09-06-2011 08:59 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 390902)
U R kidding right? It might be hard to find but at least one comes to mind during the healthcare debate. Should we mention the gun crosshairs on Palin's website?

Rejected. Sarah Palin didn't call for violence, even once or ever implied. You're spinning the meaning behind a political strategy map.

Guest 09-06-2011 09:01 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 390903)

Rejected. This shows a confusing struggle between people in a crowd with no clear explanation for what's going on. This is not a video of a Tea Party leader declaring his followers ready to "take the son's of bi*ches out". Not even close. Next!!!................

We all know there is no evidence whatsoever of a Tea Party leader advocating violence.

Guest 09-06-2011 09:10 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 390905)
:agree: Just not sure if it is hatred or pure ignorance or wanting to be inflamatory..

Oh great, now the lefties are calling the Tea Party stupid. Talk about being uncivil!!!

Guest 09-06-2011 09:58 AM

Hoffa Video
 
DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz avoids question.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid..._question.html

Guest 09-06-2011 10:10 AM

However, we do know of the admitted democrat infiltration of Tea Party Rallies to try to make those in attendance look like radicals.

Ah I know, somebody is going to say something like just give me one example of democrats infiltration, blah blah blah.

Ok
http://olehgirl.com/?p=3117

Guest 09-06-2011 10:20 AM

Wasserman Schultz flat out refused to condemn Hoffman's words. BUT, she was one of the first in line to point fingers when Senator Gabrielle Giffords was shot and six people were killed in Arizona in January. It doesn't make sense to me.

"It's our responsibility, whether we're Democrats or Republicans, whether we agree or disagree, to remember we're Americans first, and that words have an impact," Wasserman Schultz said. "We don't know when the words we've chosen will send someone whose psyche is frayed to begin with, over the edge...

"Maybe we can all come together and push the shock jocks and the media, who pride themselves in whipping people into a frenzy on both sides, not to do that anymore," she said.

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/201...ooting-rampage

Guest 09-06-2011 10:38 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 390909)
Rejected. Sarah Palin didn't call for violence, even once or ever implied. You're spinning the meaning behind a political strategy map.

Its all in the eye of the beholder......

Guest 09-06-2011 10:52 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 390947)
Its all in the eye of the beholder......

That is old news. It was pointed out with old footage that both parties use that crosshairs analogy. Nothing there.

Guest 09-06-2011 10:54 AM

I hope no one in the administration apologizes for Hoffa. Its time for the Dems to show some guts and stop cowtowing to the REpubs or the Tea Party when they complain. Hoffa is right,it is a war but as he says a war at the voting booth something Fox edited out of his speech.
And while we are at apologies....I would like one.....I am still a union paying member and was called a brownshirt by a poster because of my union affiliation. That is an insult to my intelligence and to my allegiance to this country,and one that I fought for I might add.

Guest 09-06-2011 11:01 AM

Wasn't it TeaParty darling Palin who keeps telling her followers to "reload" and then posted telescopic cross hairs on Congressional candidates - or was it only their districts?

Pure hate from the TeaParty and now more hatred from Republicans referring to their President as an equal to Hitler.

No sense of decency.

Guest 09-06-2011 11:02 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 390952)
I hope no one in the administration apologizes for Hoffa. Its time for the Dems to show some guts and stop cowtowing to the REpubs or the Tea Party when they complain. Hoffa is right,it is a war but as he says a war at the voting booth something Fox edited out of his speech.
And while we are at apologies....I would like one.....I am still a union paying member and was called a brownshirt by a poster because of my union affiliation. That is an insult to my intelligence and to my allegiance to this country,and one that I fought for I might add.

If a Tea Party leader called on his followers to "take these son's of bi*ches out", he or she would be crucified in the press and you know it. To defend this is patently hypocritical. He should be denounced by for his call to violence by any fair minded American. Only the staunchest radical would approve this violent rhetoric.

Guest 09-06-2011 11:13 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 390955)
Wasn't it TeaParty darling Palin who keeps telling her followers to "reload" and then posted telescopic cross hairs on Congressional candidates - or was it only their districts?

Pure hate from the TeaParty and now more hatred from Republicans referring to their President as an equal to Hitler.

No sense of decency.

Wow, I can't see your face when you typed this but it must have been one with pure delight.
Speaking of hatred, didn't Barry Obuma tell his fellow democrats to "take us out"? Didn't Barry Obama tell them that if they showed up with knives, we'll show up with guns?
During the town hall meeting protests of the summer of 2009, Senior White House adviser David Axelrod and deputy chief of staff Jim Messina told Democrat Senators, “If you get hit, we will punch back twice as hard.”

Guest 09-06-2011 02:21 PM

FOX always does a good job of editing their clips, don't they? Very good propaganda technique. Well, FOX is always good at riling their viewers with half-truths. Good reason to call it FOX NOISE. Personally, I do not look at FOX NOISE, CNN, MSNBC or any of them. Just talking heads spouting nonsense on both ends of the political spectrum.

Guest 09-06-2011 02:27 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 391027)
FOX always does a good job of editing their clips, don't they? Very good propaganda technique. Well, FOX is always good at riling their viewers with half-truths. Good reason to call it FOX NOISE. Personally, I do not look at FOX NOISE, CNN, MSNBC or any of them. Just talking heads spouting nonsense on both ends of the political spectrum.

What? No cute nicknames for CNN or MSNBC? I think Fox News treats Barry Hussein Obama fair, don't you?;)

Guest 09-06-2011 04:55 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 391027)
FOX always does a good job of editing their clips, don't they? Very good propaganda technique. Well, FOX is always good at riling their viewers with half-truths. Good reason to call it FOX NOISE. Personally, I do not look at FOX NOISE, CNN, MSNBC or any of them. Just talking heads spouting nonsense on both ends of the political spectrum.

Editing??; what salient points did the editing down of the video to it's raw meaning eliminate? Did Jimmy Hoffa Jr. say something poignant that was edited out? Please elucidate.

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P.S.: When did the Tea Party declare war on workers, as Jimmy Hoffa Jr. says?? The Tea Party movement is for lower taxes, decreased spending, government accountability and less Federal interference in their lives. How did that translate into a war on workers? Just curious.

Guest 09-06-2011 05:53 PM

Bottom line here comes down to one fundamental and not so subtle issue. What we dealing with is simply an idealogical fight. Its huge and the winner will determine our destiny. Do we want a government/union controlled economy or do we want pro business growth economy.

As a side note what concerns me about Jimmy Hoffa's statements is that they are coming from the head of an organization that has been reputed to be mob connected or controlled and with a history of violence. So some may take his threats literally. Jimmy Hoffa is also incorrect in that the Tea Party isn't wishing Obama's failure. On the contrary they have been fighting for issues that will help the economy grow and hence aid Obama

Guest 09-06-2011 07:16 PM

so Richie,you admit the speech was edited. Why? Because as I stated earlier the "war" is at the voting booth. This is what Fox edited. They are so dishonest it makes me sick.
As for the tea party being anti-labor if an organization is anti-union as the tea party is then I think they are anti-labor. Just look at what happened in Wisconsin and Minnesota.

Guest 09-06-2011 07:45 PM

Hey, Richie, heard another joke today.

Q: What's the difference between a liberal and a puppy?

A: A puppy stops whining after it grows up. :jester:

Guest 09-06-2011 08:03 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 391133)
so Richie,you admit the speech was edited. Why? Because as I stated earlier the "war" is at the voting booth. This is what Fox edited. They are so dishonest it makes me sick.
As for the tea party being anti-labor if an organization is anti-union as the tea party is then I think they are anti-labor. Just look at what happened in Wisconsin and Minnesota.

How do you explain all the Tea Partiers that I know who are also Teamsters?

Guest 09-06-2011 08:22 PM

What do you call a basement full of liberals?
A whine cellar. :laugh:

Guest 09-06-2011 08:27 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 391153)
What do you call a basement full of liberals?
A whine cellar. :laugh:

LOL good one.

Q: What is the only thing worse than an incompetent liberal President?

A: A competent liberal President.

Guest 09-06-2011 08:29 PM

Q: How do liberal brain cells die?

A: Lonely.


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