Texas - Proud to be Top Execution State?
 

While I was watching the debate of Republicans last night, Rick Perry got a huge round of applause when it was stated that Texas is the top state for having convicts executed. He defended it and was rather proud of his record of signing off on so many executions.

Where exactly does capital punishment fit in with the Republican view on pro-life?

If someone points to the Bible and the Ten Commandments, it says you shall not kill. The religion route does not work for either of these situations.
It would be not killing at all; not well, it is okay for certain situations and not others.

Please explain the viewpoint of the Republican of how capital punishment is a feat to be applauded but an abortion is not acceptable. Thanks.

Where in the Bible does it say, "Thou shalt not kill."

If you do some research, you will learn that the correct translation is:

"Thou shalt not murder."

A big difference. In the Old Testament, G-d gives each person the right to protect yourself and your family, to include the use of deadly force if necessay.

So there is no need in defending the Pro-Life arguement.

Then since we have a court system, instead of the individual taking action against the criminal, the state now does it.

My only complaint is that it takes to long for the execution to take place.

Genesis 9:6
New International Version (NIV)
“Whoever sheds human blood,
by humans shall their blood be shed;
for in the image of God
has God made mankind.

Honest people would admit that Perry was not "proud"of carrying out the executions, but rather that he obeyed and upheld the laws Texas has put in place......as is his sworn duty.

:bigbow:

And what makes you want to believe that it was only Republicans that applauded?
We know it makes it easier for some to have everybody and everything in one box or the other or with an R or a D...except that ain't the reality.....THANK GOD!!!

Capital punishment...one is either for it or against it......not for political or religious stands...

btk

Liberals think it is alright to murder babies, but do not believe it is alright to murder killers. Liberals think it is normal to kill 45,000,000 babies, but it is not right to kill a murderer. Wow, what great thinking.:ohdear:

C'mon VG, you know they're "just a collection of cells".

One if the upcoming executions in the state of Texas is going to be Lawrence Russell Brewer. Buggy, I would not object to this man being aborted from his prison cell in the same manner a late-term abortion is performed. A pliers-like instrument is used because the Brewer’s bones are calcified, as is the skull. There is no anesthetic for Brewer. The abortionist inserts the instrument up into the prison cell, seizes a leg or other part of the body, and, with a twisting motion, tears it from Brewer's body. This is repeated again and again. The spine must be snapped, and the skull crushed to remove them.

http://www.abortionfacts.com/online_...mester%20ones?


Summary of incident that led to Brewer's death sentence:

Brewer was convicted in the murder of a black male occurring on 06/07/98. The offense involved Brewer and two co-defendants torturing and killing a 49-year old handicapped black male during the nighttime hours, in rural Jasper County, Texas. The victim was observed in the back of a pickup truck occupied by Brewer and his co-defendants. This was the last occasion the victim was seen alive by persons other than Brewer and his co-defendants. Brewer and his co-defendants drove to an isolated spot on a logging road where they beat and tormented the victim, then tied him to a logging chain, which was hooked to the pickup truck. Brewer and his co-defendants then dragged the victim to his death, leaving his decapitated and dismembered body to be found the following day by citizens and law enforcement officials. It was argued in court that Brewer and his co-defendants engaged in this criminal act, in part, due to their racially separatist affiliation with the Confederate Knights of America and the Ku Klux Klan. Brewer and one co-defendant were documented members of the Confederate Knights of Americaand a large number of Ku Klux Klan and other racial separatist organization paraphernalia was discovered in a residence occupied by the three.




http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/sch...executions.htm

I am totally in favor of the death penalty. THERE, now you guys can not say ALL liberals are against it. Many liberals support the death penalty.

Does this mean that all killing is bad? Self defense? Protecting your family? WHOEVER sheds human blood..." I don't think so. How does this line up with an eye for an eye? Is there more to this passage?

If you read that very carefully, what is said is that if a human (man, women, etc.,) sheds your blood, then you can shed theirs, for you are made in the image of G-d and have the right to protect yourself and your family. In the old days, that also included your possessions.

Thanks for clarifying the passage

Blanket statement and generalization. Just like all white folk Tea Party members are racists. All Jews are cheap. Blacks will rob and rape you....

All life is sacred. We are made in His image and likeness.

Too bad that blanket statements come from both sides of the spectrum too.
Of course, I couldn't agree more with your statement that ALL LIFE IS SACRED! We ARE made in His image and likeness! How wonderful is that!:laugh:

the great George Carlin has a 10 minute monologue titled Religion is Bull...t. Greta stuff,you all should watch it. Just google carlin religion is............

I never met a person who was right in the head that said Carlin was great. Mediocre at best.

we disagree again.

Carlin's dissertation is offered to validate what???????????????
He spews vile commentary to get the dolts to laugh...he would turn in his grave if he heard anybody was offering one of his rants as a validation of anything.

btk

The person being executed has been found guilty beyonf doubt of a heinous crime, usually murder. They are not innocent.

Abortion kills an innocent child. one whose only "crime" was inconvenience. He/she was not given a fair trial, right to appeal, etc.

You can be sure that Brian Williams would not ask a Democrat candidate if he/she could rest easy after allowing abortion.

Carlin was a genius.

1) If you're quoting Genesis - I thought Jesus instituted a new covenant? (hence the reasons Christians can eat lobster and have cotton-polyester shirts)

2) I sincerely believe that there are crimes that one can commit that are so heinous they forfeit their right to life.

Well, now two of us "liberals" have stated support for the death penalty. Do ya think they will stop saying liberals don't support it?

The majority of so-called liberals, do not support the death penalty but do support the killing of unborn innocent children.

:bigbow:...ya'll had to see that coming:laugh:

Here's a novel idea. Take sex out of the dark, actually teach useful information on how to have sex without getting PG and, Oh my, we solve the abortion problem.

As long as you're mindful of parental rights, nobody would have a problem with your idea.

Care to define that? ...the parental rights, I mean.

And I'll give you a situation that actually happened to me and ask how your definition of parental rights would handle it.

Friend of mine was in her teen years - out of school, I forget the EXACT year. She was taking a walk with a male friend through the woods. The sat down for a while chatting, etc. When she came home, her mother was angry at her when she saw a piece of a leaf in her hair (she had butt-length blonde hair). She immediately accused my friend of sleeping with the guy she'd taken a walk with. This wasn't true in the least. After a bit of arguing, she told her daughter to take the trash out. So, my friend did that and was surprised to discover she'd been locked out of the house.

She was wearing nothing but a light shirt and skirt - barefoot. It was fall and the evening was going to get rather chilly. Her mother refused to open the door and was rcontinuing to rail on how she was SURE her daughter was sleeping around.

I know about this because my wife and I took her in that night.

Stories like these get around and I honestly believe that's how some kids get TOO scared of parental reactions to things. They hear about what is, to them, unthinkable, and it plants doubts in their minds.

We can't erase the parental rights of parents because your neighbor is an idiot. Because of her idiot mother, do you think the authorities that be, should just ignore you and take over the custody of your children?

Taking custody of one's children is not the issue. The issue is, in this context, educating kids about birth control. I would venture to say that right leaning parents would be more likely to NOT give consent to educating their kids in school. Abstinence is best for kids, but come on, that does not work too well. So, its either teach them how not to get pregnant in the first place or deal with the consequences. I would rather teach them, in an age appropriate way. Kids these days are WAY more sexualized then they were when I was a kid. Kids are having sex younger and younger and girls are beginning to mensturate earlier and earlier. Its like a perfect storm brewing.

OK, so you think you know better that other parents who might want to raise their children in a different atmosphere. So, do you think you have the right to supersede their parental rights because you're so much more sophisticated and more enlightened?

Richie: You didn't answer my question - but I understand you got sidetracked by my example.

What I asked was if you would define, in YOUR opinion, 'parental rights'.

In the medical arena, the parent of a patient under the age of 18 yrs must give consent to treat before the medical personnel can even touch the patient. Parental rights also includes parental responsibilities.

We both know the definition of parental rights. To supersede them you must go to court and prove your case of negligence, which is what you're implying by your post and your example. That is the only fair way to proceed.

A bunch of intellectuals sitting in a room and deciding that the poor unwashed have no business raising children is abhorrent.

That was the premise which Margaret Sanger presented when she wrote her book "The Pivot of Civilization". She went on to found Planned Parenthood. She also advocated sterilization of poor unwashed people, and lots of legal abortions for those that got that far. http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/user...genics/sanger/

What a bunch of boloney. When I was a teenager,my friends and I were as "sexualized" as the generation before me and the generation after me.

Is " sexualized" even a real word?:ohdear:

Well I was asking for an idea of how big your tent was when it came to that.

The reason I supplied the example was to ask you how your opinion of parental rights would deal with the sample situation.

There was an old saying about sex education in schools. The gist was that the kids who NEEDED to be taught that in schools were the ones who weren't getting the education form the parents - who were most likely to be the parents objecting to the school teaching it.

I certainly see the problem in trying to figure out "who decides" when it's time for someone else (not necessarily the state - could be a relative) takes over.

What would you do as a parent if the "right wing religious Bible thumping zealots" controlled the schools and made those choices for the parents?

You mean like home school them? That's fine. You think kids are not going to talk about what they were told in those public school classes? Of course they will. I am a realist. That is what will happen. You want them to hear it from an educator or on the street? You could certainly prepare them for the class and inject whatever religious or personal sentiments you have about the issue. BUT biology is biology and sexual plumbing is what it is. FACTS are what I want kids to learn. Morality is up to the parents.