Goodbye GOP Hello DEM
 

I have had a good nights sleep and have made a major (for me) political decision. Coming from a farming childhood and speeding 22 years in the military, I have always been and voted Republican. This site has changed my way of thinking. When I voice my opinion on the debt and other GOP positions, no one on here ever becomes insulting to me. When I mention any agreement with a liberal issue, the 6 PAC jump on me like a pack of wild dogs. So, if I can be accepted as a Conservative Democrat, I would welcome a chance to join the cause.
Since it is obvious to me that being a Republican or tea member requires such a narrow minded, slander anyone with a different point of view approach, I am no longer able to support the GOP. I have tried for months to take a lets talk approach to issues only to be slammed by the 6 PAC who seem to believe its my way or go to h***. Thats not the American way. To make my point, I will predict here and now, that my message will bring on hate from the right. They will say negative things that will support my decision to change parties. Their hate filled rhetoric is so deeply embedded, they will not be able to stop themselves from spewing insults. Watch.

Just a thought ..... And I think I'm unbiased since I don't even know who you refer to as the 6 PAC. In my humble opinion, your post seems designed to bait others into making negative comments. :ohdear:

Morning, You can't get more negative than the 6 PAC and no, they only have one woman and it is not you. They sit at home in front of their computers and pray for anything liberal to attack. I am simply tired of trying to make peace with my own party so bad that I have decided to leave. I do not want to be identified with the Tea Party nor even my own Republican party on this board anymore. They are hateful, and their only defense is that liberals start it. That is such a childish mentality it is sad. So, I will stay conservative, but will forever represent myself as a conservative Democrat. You mark my words, when my drinking friend wakes up he will be on me like stink on a monkey. And when his side kick wakes up, he also will be back to negative posting. They will do this because I am not 100 % extremist Right Wing. Jesus Christ was a liberal as verified by his sermon on the mount, so I feel confident that I am on the right side. If being kind and giving is a sin, then I have sinned. I challenge Mr negative and his body guard to simply say goodbye to me without their negativity and I will apologize to them both for being wrong, but even saying that, they are such obsessive compulsive haters, that they will not be able to control themselves.

:bigbow: You have just described the dilemma this country faces today. I am an Independent a/k/a moderate conservative and find the level of contempt for opposing opinions expressed on this site is nothing short of repulsive.

Thank you. I need to surround myself with that attitude and understanding. I am embarrassed to admit that I voted for Bush and McCain because of who else support them. If leaving my party is what I must do to be around people who respect people for what they are and believe in, then leave I will. I am appalled at just how good the 6 PAC are at being hateful and negative. Without them, this site could truly be a place to work toward bipartisanship solutions, but as they are here, only arguments and sarcasm. I kept getting drawn into it myself, so I know how additive it can be. Again, thanks for letting me know that there are other conservative thinking independents out there.

I simply like to use an interesting measuring stick. I voted for Reagan as many times as I was legally allowed. Yet today's GOP hardliner would look at a nameless candidate with Reagan's record as if the former president was a socialist and (here's the rub) all the while practically praising Reagan's name like a saint.

Reagan was the very model of compromise and dealmaking. Something today's GOP, especially the Tea Party Caucus, doesn't practice at all.

I would like to follow you around for a day to get some of your mojo. I have watched you post for several years and to this day, I can not define you as a DEM or REP or even anything in between. My first instinct is to say WHATS UP WITH THAT?, but realize, If we all could get on your wave length, we would have most of the problems of the world solved or at the very least a lot closer than we are today. My main weakness is that I can not for the life of me understand why anyone would choose to be Hard Right or Hard Left; therefore, I find myself acting out in a childish manner right along side of the 6 PAC by trying to defend the underdog. I do understand that I need to stop responding to any extremest as it is not productive and leads to childishness and I hope I am better than than that. I know, I have not been up till now. Guilty.

As I said, I am not a DEM but Independent. However, I have attended Democratic Club meetings here in TV (yes they exists) and find they do have a fairly high sense of courtesy and respect for most all points of view. You certainly should go take a look, they won't bite.

Thank you and I will look into that. I would like to hear their take on the budget.

This is getting truer every day. The level of snarkiness is ridiculous. I have visions of these folks salivating when there is something they can attack. Must make them feel good in some way. Fortunately, I have long ago learned that trying to get through to people with such a level of certitude is nearly impossible. PROVE ME WRONG>>SITE YOUR SOURCE>>>GIVE ME LINKS (that's what they say) SO my expectations are very very low. Don't let them get to you ( a generic you)..that is what empowers them. Your REACTION to what they say is what is making you upset..and you have the power to stop that. I have requested links a few times and never got one. Take care...

proud dem (moonbat)
 

V2....Welcome to the new future for us all...

Villager II ~ Sorry to be off topic but I see a new Icon near your name! NICE BIKE! Are you a cyclist?

Yes. Both me and my wife like to ride early in the day. We only go 10 to 15 miles for a little exercise and to stay somewhat fit.

Your right and thank you. When I would try to be the peacemaker, before I knew it they had me caught up in the hate, so as I have said, I am not wired to be a jerk and it causes me too much stress, so I am going to try hard to stay on track with those of a more civil attitude.

more off topic...
 

The Mr and I just spent our 2 week vacation riding the "rails to trails" around Xenia, Ohio. It is awesome-over 200 miles of beautiful, rarely interrupted bike paths thru small towns in Ohio. We stopped often for ice cream or snack of some kind. Had one scoop of ice cream at Young's Dairy-it was more like a pint! We too go about 15 miles several times a week...it's like a mini-vacation after a long day at work! Thanks for answering, I always get excited to meet fellow bikers! :a040: Happy Trails!

I personally would be so surprised if one used the input/output of this forum ONLY to determine their political direction/opinion/participation!!

I wouldn't be making such a decision based on such minority opinionated exposure that is offered here on TOTV!

This forum has deteriorated to a school yard level partisan point counter point.
I am looking forward to when an issue.....a real issue, can be surfaced...discussed...without the usual dose of partisan dumping that seems to take over EVERY SINGLE TIME.

When was the last time an issue was presented where the name calling and bashing and retrospecting measuring of the past to validate the present did NOT overwhelm the intent of the thread?

btk

If you want to know what liberals are doing, all you have to do is see what they are accusing others of.

The new derision from the liberal wing of this forum is to try to belittle conservative posters by lumping them into a fanciful cabal and call them the "6PAC". There really is more than 6 posters of a politically conservative bent, but that's not really important. I find the description humorous and juvenile and thus more illustrative of the posters than their "targets" and so it's fine with me.

I understand that there are those on this forum more enamored of the current President than I. But if I post comments uncomplimentary of this President and/or his policies, it does not warrant a personal attack on me. You can dispute my findings and my view, but you don't need to "call me out", or any of the other posters of a conservative ideology.

It's hard not to respond when the attacks become personal in nature. I've tried to ignore most, especially from a new malignant poster, but it's human nature to defend yourself.

The Admin wants us to let him to do this and just report the offense. That's also difficult to do, but I understand the reason.

I do agree with Richie's post in regards to name-calling by anyone or any group. I have not read far enough in to see the term "6-PAC". It does have a ring to it but I would not reserve it for any party but rather as a general term for discussing politics around the corner table at the local watering hole.

As for "calling anyone out" - DEFINITELY WRONG. I enjoy having a few brews with guys of both political persuasions at a local watering hole. No need for anyone to say they would find it distasteful to have drink with liberals (or conservatives) based on personal beliefs. This political forum is not meant to be so serious as to jeopardize personal relationships with anyone. It has created a couple of friendships for me - from the opposite side, too.

It is hard not to respond in kind. I have reported a couple of posts to ADMIN and will certainly try not to respond in kind to personal derogatory remarks.

Let's keep this interesting but remain civil and remember we are Villagers and doggone happy to be here in this slice of Heaven.

Good luck with that Conservative Democrat plan.

Thanks for the kind words.

I'm not a Republican (though I used to be) and I'm not a Democrat (though I've occasionally cast a handful of votes that way - literally - less than 5).

I strongly believe that each issue stands on it's own. Certainly some are related but it's impossible to think that the country's problems can be solved by EITHER "Plan R" OR "Plan D" where each plank of the respective plans is the diametric opposite of the other's.

I believe in the death penalty, gun rights, immigration reform (not total amnesty), some lower taxes, some higher taxes, gay marriage, religious rights, law and order, the Constitution, some public services, private ideas and government paving the way in certain areas until the private sector can take over - AND SOMETIMES THE REVERSE if the private sector can't do it.

Take taxes for instance. One side says we're at historic low levels of taxation (as a percentage of GDP) and they're right. The other side highlights half the citizenry paying no federal taxes (ignoring some of the other taxes) and a disproportionate percentage coming from wealthier citizens. And THEY are right as well. But they're BOTH looking at the issue through a narrow lens. They both miss the big picture.

The same holds true for transportation in transit vs. roads arguments.

I won't call Tea Partiers "**********". I find it preferable to 'attack' on substance rather than jingoistic name-calling. I *will* use the term "legislooters" from time to time. I will afford the respect that is deserving of the offices of both the President AND the Speaker of the House. I won't try to highlight only the parts of the President's name that sound more foreign or call Rep. Boehner names for his occasional emotional displays. It does NOTHING to contribute to any progress towards solving the problems we face.

For what it's worth, I wish Ron Paul were more polished. Of all the GOP candidates, he seems to be the one most backed up by facts as opposed to ideology bordering on theology. I still disagree with him on many points, but he makes many more points of substance than the other candidates.

So there's some of my 'mojo' for today...

djplong~ I have to agree with on most of this! :thumbup:

Politicis is both personal and business. Some issues strike at the moral core of who we are and what we believe. So it is understandable that some folks take umbrage at others insensitivities but it should not deter who you are.

What I see when reading the poltical forum posts are people defining themselves as liberal moderate or conservative vis a vis democrat, independent or republican and for the most part that is their leaning.

My Dad was an good example of how one could have a heated debate and when it was finsihed bellies up to the bar, I'm buying.

Debate is good name calling is not and should simply be ignored and a demand to return to the issues.

I enjoy the TOTV and and have learned so much from some really nice people

VillagerII--- In all honesty I never understood why you always labeled yourself as a conservative. Your posts usually seemed to lean left, in my opinion. So many times you slammed conservative ideas while claiming to be a conservative. It never rang true to me.

:agree::agree::agree:

Liberal or conservative. Republican or Democrat. Anybody who thinks that another four years of Barack Hussein Obama as president of the United States of America has got to be out on their mind!

If you think that four more years of Barack Obama is good for the country you are beyond hope and beyond reason.

Just my humble opinion.

Just imagine that all that has taken place in the last three years was with a republican president. I remember in 2003 the main stream media kept beating the drums every night about the "jobless recovery"when unemployment was around 5%. Unemployment is now around 25% and the media is silent.
People, wake up. We are on the road to ruin. Please, please vote republican and restore this country to the greatness that it was.

I am not entirely sure of what you have said so let me ask you the obvious question.

Do you think that another four years of Barack Obama would be good for this country? Yes or no?

A mind is a terrible thing to waste. :cus:

NO

yes

proud dem (moonbat)
 

Obama is by far, a better choice than what the Republicans/tea party have put up there so far...

Too bad you democrats threw Hillary under the bus. Democrats have a difficult time excepting women in authoritative position.

proud dem (moonbat)
 

Actually we could do much worse than carter, ahow about Bush?...I need him desperately so I'd have my daily laugh..wait I also had tears when he invaded the wrong country...The great "decider"..lol

Well, I would rather laugh every day then cry every time I think about how this president(Bama) is destroying my beloved country.;)

Don't forget the "they tried to kill my Daddy" reason for the war. He said it. I heard him. ALso, just for laughs, remember the pictures of him walking holding hands with the Saudi Prince? Said it was culturally correct. I don't know, maybe it is. Point is that when Obama does the culturally correct thing, he is an embarrassment. Talk about embarrasing...Bush putting his hands on the female German chancelor. That is not correct anytime, anyhow.

and again the thread is dragged back in time to measure against Bush.....let's see what was the subject of the thread?
Hey you retrospective measurers, how is this group compared to the like group of democrats prior to the 2008 election?
Never mind I know the answer. If one could block the faces and the year and which party it would sound no different than we have seen this far this year.

Just like the democratic puff up debates (all political debates that is) prior to the nomination of Obama....the republicans will joust and make fools of themselves as a group just like the dems did. Then one will survive the rest. And that one will have a lot of speeches and words and promises to make....then we can really compare which circus has/had the best clowns:undecided::popcorn:

btk

Can you tell us 5 things that he has done that are good for America?

Wow another tit for tat moment. How about the gift Obama gave to Queen Of England. a video tape of himself giving speeches. She must of been thrilled to watch that video from the President of his 57 states. What a Hallmark moment that was. And Obama sending back to England the bust of Winston Churchill. No wonder our friends in England think so lowly of the Annointed One. I could go on and on about the stupidity of this administration but why bother. He will be gone after 2012.

:popcorn: Waiting for CMann's reply.

I am, too.:popcorn: C'mon HRP.