legal immigration status?
 

Previous thread generated no response..thought the title was misleading so I'm trying again..

Todays sun had an article By Michael Doyle. In it he stated the GOP was trying to get a law on the books requiring all states to verify legitimacy of residential status in order to be employed within the US..To me it's a no brainer and of course e ought to enforce immigration laws to the max...

What surprised me is that there are only eighteen states currently using this system across the board...AND FLORIDA is NOT one of them..Fl only checks the eligibility(read legal immigrant) status of applicants for state jobs...Seems a little hypocritical to me as we recently passed a tough immigration law that is being challenged in the courts by the far left(not me). I urge my conservative(tea party) friends to give Gov Scott a call and find out what gives?..

The proposed bill has some certain,bogus to get buy in from Agribuisness,exemptions that are also quite ridiculous..It's either legal or it AIN'T

hrp01,

Here my take on all this.

The "D"s see the illegals as new voters for them.

The "R"s see them as cheap labor for their corporate buddies.

This leaves them caught in the middle.

I see them as criminals, the same as if you broke into my house and then expected me to feed, cloth and give you medical support.

Enforce our immigration laws or open the border and forget about us every being a country.

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Do you really think the "D"s do not see them as cheap labor for their corporate buddies?!?!!???? Or that the "D"s don't have "corporate buddies"???

Enforcement. A term that stirs the very heart of every politician.....especially when it comes to reelection.

Just like energy independence is easy to achieve with multiple benefits for every American...but the politicians do nothing (for over 40 years...and we the people remain consistently silent).....not enforcing the immigration laws is even easier with multiple benefits....how much easier can it be than to enforce the laws already on the books? What is it about doing something illegal, that causing so many to not take action? But the politicians do nothing and we the people remain consistently silent.

The silent majority is the politicians best advocacy group by default. And the politicians have no remorse or give a thought to the result of doing nothing because they know....THEY KNOW....nothing will happen no matter what they do or don't do...legal or illegal.

The silent majority deserves what it gets.

btk

btk~Look at the opposition that Arizona and their Governor had to deal with by attempting to enforce their immigration laws. What do you suggest the Silent Majority do to change things?

Good question. I want to know why when a State (Arizona) tries to enforce their laws, the feds come in and say do not enforce the laws. Is this just an attempt by the White House to garner the Hispanic vote?

I would be careful about making such broad statements. This "D" is hardliner on illegals as are many in the Southwest and West.

A while back I posted the richest members of congress. Surprise surprise, the democrats top the list of the wealthiest members of our spendthrift elite.

The "D"s count them as votes, but try to never let the media know that they are also cheap labor for their corporate buddies. The "D"s blame the "R"s for the cheap labor gig. The "R"s don't seem to count to many as potentional voters because of their stance on immigration.

What bothers me the most is the human sex slave trade that is going on. This is one part of the illegal immigration that you don't hear lots about. Smuggling humans now has become more profit able that smuggling dope. You can only sell your dope once, but that young boy or girl can be sold over and over and, get the message. Then sold one last time before being put out on the street, diseased, sick and dying.

Lots of "D"s are against illegal immigration, the "D"s that I am referring to are those elected criminals in Foggy Bottom. I know lots of "D"s that want our borders sealed and our immigration laws enforced, same as there are plenty "R"s that want open borders and no enforcement.

Just a question for the good people on the forum - As you know, the Villages Developer does check the legal status of their contractors. However, the sub-contractors do not have the requirement to check the legal status of their workers. We have all seen the workers building the houses and villas here in The Villages - and they work HARD. Lots and lots of economic boom to the local economy down here.

The question is: do you think that the local ICE should come into The Villages and start checking individual workers for proof of legal status and if they are found to be illegal workers, bind them over for deportation?

Part 2 of the question: if that happened, what would happen to the economic boom that The Villages construction is offering down here and how would it affect the building of more homes and villas?

What will it take?
It will take every single person you know to write to their representatives, both houses and Obama stating exactly how you feel and what you expect THEM to do about it as our REPRESENTATIVES.

TOTV population/members could be an example. Of the members how many are in political....pretty small number. Of those in political, how many write their representatives and Obama? Statistically we know it will be less than 20%, but I bet it is not 1/4 of that.

Take the population of TV 80,000 or so. How many write their representatives TELLING them what is not liked about an issue...any issue....or what is expected of THEM.
I will bet the number would be less than 5000....maybe a lot less than that.

Until such time as there is an overwhelming change in the number of people who go after their representatives, nothing will happen.

Over the years I have tried everything...giving people lists of their reps and addresses, providing form letters on an issue, providing email contacts with a formatted letter to be customized by an individual, even provided addressed/stamped envelopes and a copy of a letter for the individual to customize to their style. Accomplishment over the years? Too small to even take any credit...I would give me a low mark on accomplishment.

That has to change to make a difference. And it would make a difference. Waiting for an election does not work...too much happens in between. And talk of failing accomplishment...out of the registered voters how many actually vote. Less than half. Of the total eligible to register, how many registered? If I said 1/4 I might be too high.

The politicians know this. History is on the politicians side as they know the status quo, business as usual by we the people means voting and writing/contacting politicians is somebody elses job.

Until that changes nothing will happen....AND THE POLITICIANS KNOW AND COUNT ON IT.

Another example of a major issue affecting the American people, so easy to solve and nothing gets done.

Just look at the successes special interest groups and lobbyists get. Because the representatives are being told by them what to do.

That is what it is going to take. Nothing new. Hence the term the silent majority....because they are.

btk

proud dem (moonbat)
 

We have come a long way..Everyone here needs to re read all of these posts and look at the COMMON GROUND..That is what all of us need to build on..

Oh brother, next thing you will want is a group hug. Ain't gonna happen.:a20:

Hey admin, what do you think about this post? On point and a positive contribution????????

If the situation stuck VG as humorous, is that forbidden. You want the Admin to become the "thought police"? The post wasn't mean and it wasn't close to a personal attack. It was addressing a post on this forum by the original author, so it wasn't far off topic.

Maybe lightening up a little would be in order.

I have to agree with all this we do need to write our reps I do and the illegals should go back to where ever . I worked three jobs when I was younger and never collected welfare or unemployment no help from the government. Now we are giving away AID and the people that are getting it some have never worked. Yes there are a lot of imigrintes that work their ass off but they dont pay taxes as we do and have done. You see comtractors pay these people cash no w2 and no 1099. That is where I get mad. You want to inforce imigration inforce the contractors practises. Pardon the spelling I had a couple of beers

Alright, what about the questions I posed about the sub-contractors of The Villages and the illegal workers that are building the houses we live in?

Should ICE come in and do a dragnet to arrest all the illegal workers in one fell swoop and send them back to their home country?

What would that do to the building of houses in The Villages and the economy that is stimulated by The Villages?

proud dem (moonbat)
 

group hug?nawwww, not interested..Admin can stay outta this,we are all big boys,,,,and girls..VG needs a laugh...

The original post states that the news article says there is already a means available through homeland security,on line,to do this check,and for some reason Florida has chosen not to be part of it..That seems weird to me as they just passed a tough immigration law..My point is that perhaps there is enough political clout here, of a conservative nature, to turn up the fires in the governor's office and our local legislator here in the villages..She's a trip and extremely helpful to buisness though.

In all seriousness...been saving this for just such a special occassion!

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I would say yes to question #1

Let Morse answer question #2.

ZCaveman was the only person that answered the questions. Thank you.

However, if this did happen, you have to ask yourself what would happen to the value of your property? Would it go up if there were hundreds of partially finished houses with no one around to finish building them? Would people still be wanting to move to The Villages if large sections had uncompleted houses that were not being built?

Basically, I see this as a situation that needs the undocumented workers. If there are not the great numbers of documented workers, who will pick up the slack? It is for our own economic good that undocumented workers be given some kind of work documents that will allow them to legally be in the country, work, pay taxes, and it would eventually lead to citizenship.

Would I want ICE to do a dragnet to mass arrest them? No way!

Read or Google "Postville, Iowa" to find out what happens to a small town when that mass arrest does happen.

Illegal is illegal is illegal. If they are working here illegally, then yes they should come in here and arrest them. There are plenty of legal workers who fill the void of the illegal workers.

proud dem (moonbat)
 

buggy one..there are more than enough construction workers ready and able to take up the slack..those that fear unions have no need to worry..Unions have long ago been dead in the construction industries in florida..

I once saw ins come to a site in south florida when I lived there and it was funny..they (illegals) were literally jumping from the roofs of homes to swim in thelake to get away...I cracked up and it sent a real message to the developer...Subcontractors typically are the ones guilty of this because they will do piece work..That's why they are seen working till dark and on weekends..No hourly rates and no benefits...

Yes, INS should come do a sweep. Would the cost of your house go up? No. Only the profit margin of the contractor/subconstractor would go down. No matter who builds your house, the cost is figured out before hand and if the carpenter get $25.00 per hour as a legal worker and the illegal gets $10 p/h the subcontractor only pockets the difference. You are still paying X amount per square foot, no matter who swings the hammer. Then some of that money is given to our current crop of criminals at the local, state and federal level for looking the other way and NOT enforcing our immigration laws or the labor laws.

With the current level of unemployment there would be no problem filling all those jobs, you know the shovel ready jobs that our President is talking about.

Where does the line get drawn when rationalizing why certain illegal situations are OK with people. I am not for amnesty of any kind, but a simple (aren't they all?) solution is to start locking down the permissive invasion....TODAY!!! Then go to work seeking out those that are here ILLEGALLY to get them documented or send them home if they don't cooperate. Filling a "void" condones breaking the law...not in my America!!

Our permissive pacifism, non enforcement, look the other way mode of running this country is pure unadulterated BS.....

btk

btk: I suspect many many hundreds of people like me have written countless times demanding something be done about illegal immigration. but as we all know politicians won't touch it with a ten foot pole for all the reasons cited in this thread.

The fact is that even some Republicans have joined with liberals and the Tea Party to stop E verify.

Its just plain wrong to support illegal immigration and to believe this nonsense that crops won't be harvested and lawns cut. The truth is emplyers want cheap labor.

Illegal immigration is cost taxpayers billions upon billions while emplyers reap the harvest. E verify will work and people will fill those jobs left opened by illegals; albeit it at higher wages which by the way won't or can't be passed along to consumers. DON'T BELIEVE THE SCARE TACTICS. ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION MEANS TERRORIST ARE PROBABLY CROSSING OUR BORDERS TOO.

I agree. Has anybody seen the unemployment figures lately? Counting the people who are working part-time jobs to get by, the real rate is around 25%.

Stop this illegal invasion of our country. Mowing lawns and picking crops will be taking care of when junior's parents go down to his basement bedroom early in the morning and rustle his feathers.

I wonder if one of our good posters is going to make a call to ICE to request a round-up of home builders in The Villages ...

Well, well well....let's see The Villages is advertised in all forms of media (print, TV, etc> ) We have had presidents, vice presidents and presidential candidates, senatorial candidates and governor candidates, movie stars, fox news, etc. here which was televised all over the nation . Do you really believe The Villages and its operations are a well kept secret? do you believe one call or one thousand to ICE would generate any interest?????

I for one am not going to waste one more brain cell on this issue because the people responsible for a cure don't want to treat the disease. They will tell you they do but they say it with a wink and then deflate.

If there was a prospect that something would be done then yes, by all means call. I believe when one sees something that is wrong or illegal one does something about it. It is unacceptable that, because of politics, some illegal transgressions are not only ignored, but sponsored to the tune of billions of dollars.

You certainly are not intimating that the progress of TV would come to a grinding halt....are you? It might stumble but I will forecast for you what would happen if the hammer was dropped on illegal immigration. The ones who really want to be here will do something to get legalized (what ever that means). Some will head back to where they came from. Some will go deeper in hiding until the heat is off. Many other unemployed will fill in the gaps left by those who leave. The terrorists will have to find a new way into the USA.

What else that is illegal are some of you willing to keep looking the other way?

When ya see something illegal or wrong, turn 'em in....Those who do nothing to protect themselves wind up being victims!!!

btk

btk

Yes, I am saying that the building of homes, villas, golf courses, landscaping, and rec centers would come to a screeching halt if undocumented workers were not here. It would not just be a stumble. It would be catastrophic. There would be unfinished houses, etc all over The Villages and new comers would not be buying into a place like that. Property values would drop and we might be left in a bad place. The Villages needs workers and the undocumented workers need The Villages.

BS to the above post.

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Instead of just replying with "BS" and a laughing icon, please express how you believe it would play out if undocumented workers very suddenly left their jobs. Of course, mine was only my thought. I really would like other thoughts of how it might play out and any repercussions.

I think if illegal aliens were to suddenly all go home tomorrow, :pray:
builders would be forced to hire American citizens. It's really that simple. Maybe they would have to pay a larger renumeration to secure that worker, but they would have to do so and thats all there is to it, in my opinion.

The void would be filled, believe me. Years ago I was a construction worker. My last job that I had before I quit the trade was in another state. I traveled early Sunday morning for my 5 hour drive. I stayed in a camp with 5 other guys during the week and came home Friday night. I did that for around 6 months. There was no work in my state so we went where the work was. Sometimes I regret leaving the trade because Jimmy Carter was the President then, but a couple of years later the trade boomed under Reagan.

the only reason most of the contractors use illegal aliens is they can pay them less for the same days work. They can also not have to hire ANY of them as they can, each day, go to the labor pool and pick up what they need for that day.
If that resource was gone tomorrow, I would bet that within a week the word would get out and more unemployed craftsmen would be employed...yes at a higher price per hour/day. But I would not jump so quickly to the notion that would raise the cost of building here. It would for sure cut into the very handsome profits made for using "cheap? labor. Whether the builders would try to recoup dollar for dollar would be a function of whether the developer would tolerate it and they most likely would not. And if those builders would pull out (highly unlikely) there are plenty to fill the void in the FL depressed construction market.

There would be a skipped heart beat and they progress overall would barely be impacted. Some of us remember when all the work was done by resident Americans. The advent of allowing illegal aliens to remain and work for less money is a function of politics. Just like corporations putting jobs overseas...to pay less for the labor, lowering the cost and increasing their profits.

Nary a heartbeat!!

btk

buggyone,

What you have to remember is that the cost per square foot for any building is well planned out before the building even starts, including the labor cost as well as the materials, if there is a cost increase in materials/labor then the next job takes that into consideration and the cost per square foot goes up. Usually the builder has a contract for the materials on the one that he is working on so the raise in material cost stays the same for that building. So you will pay x amount of dollars per square foot no matter who builds your building. When illegals are hired does the contractor lower the cost per square foot? No, they just pocket the extra money as profit. So instead of making a 20% profit, they are now pocketing a 40% profit and YOUR cost remains the same.

Now do you understand it makes no difference who swings the hammer, your cost will be the same, only the contractor/subcontractor makes more profit.

Yes, Figmo, I do understand about the costs of contractors and subcontranctors and the cost of "who swings the hammer".

It is my belief, contrary to some others here, that you would not find enough "hammer swingers" to build The Villages if there were no undocumented workers to hire. It is not a cost issue, but a supply of people wanting to work.

I honestly do not think you could find the same number of US citizens who would work in the hot Florida sun putting up concrete blocks and doing roofing work as we have now.

Of course, there is no way of telling which of us is right or wrong since no changes are going to be made here - and that is a good thing.