I don't think either one is an idiot!
 

After Rick Perry forgot something during the debate I was amazed at the press frenzy over such a minor thing.
Everyone in media on the left seems to think there is blood in the water and they are attacking beyond belief.
Now when Obama pointed out to us, to my surprise that we indeed had 57 states, I did not for a minute think he thought that or he was an idiot.
So why is it, really this is a question for the lefties on this forum, that Perry is unfit to run for office and is just a stupid Texan just like Bush because he forgot something under the pressure of the campaign?
I wonder if that is why Obama has EVERYTHING written for him and put on a teleprompter. Is it because he is an idiot? Probably not. So should we just allow teleprompters for everyone on the debates so they have the same advantage as the bully pulpit of the president?
It would be nice to see some real honesty from some of the dems on what they think about this instead of the party line.

Up until that point I think Perry was doing very well in articulating his positions. The media is going to attempt to destroy any Republican; any conservative. The mainstream media has lost all control after their success with Bork. Politics has been a sewer ever since.

Correct me if I'm wrong (and I know you will)
 

BUT teleprompters are for speeches, when questioned by media on various subjects then you are on your own!!

Perry has been wasting our air time from debate number one. Lets focus on Romney.

No thanks, I'll keep on listening to all candidates on until the last one is standing, hopefully Cain.

All the Dem's are hoping the same thing you are. I think I would go with Huntsman before Cain. I am afraid the non-Christian thing will hurt them.

Maybe Obama will do better in his second term.

I like Huntsman also
 

Wonder why he is not on the Republican hit parade!!

Dems are played same game when we picked RINO McCain. Do not need a flip flop Romney.

Does not matter who get picked. They are all cut from the same cloth. Nothing will change, the congress will keep ingoring the Constitution, the President, whomever, will keep making Czars and guess who will keep getting screwed.

Seriously?; He might do better in his second term? A lame duck socialist inclined President with nothing to lose?

Better for who?

Romney is stagnant; Gingrich in on the rise. Stay tuned.

We may be able to do much much better than the "father of ObamaCare" if the trends hold for a while.

Obama, the socialist and teleprompter reader, better hope that Gingrich doesn't win the nomination. Gingrich would wrap that twerp Obama around his little finger in a debate. It is not an urban myth that Gingrich is the smartest person when he steps into a room.

Any of ya'll collecting Social Security yet? Maybe you refuse it because it would make you a socialist possibly? Just curious.

You are kidding...right?
Money is TAKEN from the working person under the ruse that it will be put aside for that person's retirement. Then to collect it makes said person a socialist?
Since I am not a socialist...can I opt out and keep my money? Oh, guess not since there are not icicles in hell yet.:oops:

Nope, just notice the "Socialist" name calling here and was curious who was truly a believer in that. I now that it will lead to name calling on me and frankly I don't mind since the source means nothing to me.

Well, if it means nothing to you, why should anyone bother to enter into a conversation with you? Peace comrade.

LOL - yeah, Newt the adulterer is the smartest person when he steps into a room, provided the room is full of Repubes and **********.

Newt.... Newt ..... mmmm ..... isn't he the same guy whose own Conference kicked him out?

No, the name calling bothers me but not to me. So call me want you want. I'm curious about who is collecting from a "socialist" program. I'm going to.

Yep, where were his conservative values?

I'll take it one step further, since I personally haven't collected one red cent from Social Security...If someone takes a payment from you, promising to provide a service at a later date, then that someone renigs on the deal...I think that is THEFT and BREACH of CONTRACT. That kinda thing usually lands someone in JAIL, Brutha!
Looks like you haven't collected yet either, so don't count any chickens until they are hatched...we will either never collect or we will die in harness, since we will have to work until we are ancient history before we are eligible...

and as far as refusing it for fear of being labeled a socialist...it was my money to begin with! Had I been FREE to invest it on my own, things would be far different.

I agree. Worked all my life for it. Wasn't me that mismanaged it.

I didn't call you anything but "comrade", because your defining of Social Security as "socialist" and your arrogance in your question was a turn off.

If you want conversation, do you normally begin with provocation? Reread you earlier post and tell me I'm wrong. (don't worry "I don't care about the source" either)

I should like being called "comrade"? Anyway, a simple question here can get a person flamed so I was preempting that with the "I don't care"

Now what is your definition of a socialist?

It is possible that you and I may never receive it, making this conversation totally moot:shrug:
...I think it was Al Gore who said our money was safe in "a lock box". :oops:

As long as Congress can raid it, we may not see it. But then my home is not worth what it should be either. That's where I've been putting my nut through the years. Bad choice.

Social Security was devised as a mandatory federal insurance program that was to be funded through payroll taxes called the Federal Insurance Contributions Act tax (FICA). The money is then handled by insurance trust funds.

Is "retirement insurance" a socialist program? It originally was supposed to be a fund that would grow with it own "trust" investments. Democrat administrations throughout the years raided these funds and now there is no actual "trust". It's paid out of General Fund monies as all payroll deduction that was to pay for this "insurance" is squandered on a daily basis by our government.

Still, the program is not optional. Money has been taken from me involuntarily for 45 years to provide this "retirement insurance".

So now if I collect on the government's promise I must march stiff legged at Red Square? I don't think so.

:a040:fortunately my treasures are stored elsewhere...:a040:

:bigbow::bigbow:

Are you sure it was raided purely by Democrat administrations? OK, so Social Security isn't in your definition of socialist. Glad to hear that. I can now feel no guilt when I start collecting.

Start collecting?
Let's see, the house didn't pan out...may I venture to say, because of the government?!
Like I said...don't count chickens that haven't hatched yet either.

Just so you know, it's the Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics' and Cuba's socialism (equal distribution of misery) that we are against.

Yes, I'm sure that the democrats were the ones that opened the floodgates.

Does the expression The war on Poverty mean anything to you? You know, The Great Society? How about the VietNam war?
President Johnson started using the SS funds for his personal pet projects in the 60's.

So, how is that 46 years of war on poverty working out for us? It did give us our first Affirmative Action President. I rest my case.:oops:

Oh my house will pan out, just not when I thought. Government fault? I fail to see what they have to do with it.

A chicken in every pot...
Everyone has a right to own a home...
????

Glad it stopped from 2000 to 2008 and also those Nixon, Reagan and GHWB years.

Your right Katz, the government was pushing for everybody to buy a house. It was only a matter of time that the housing bubble would burst.

Oh, the American Dream.

I thought is was the mortgage brokers/bankers. A buck was to be made.

There is a "socialist" aspect of it. It definitely was devised for the "social good". But it was more of a "group insurance" plan than a "government payroll plan". Today since it's paid with the taxes collected and not actually from an "insurance trust fund", it's status is more socialism than ever.

Conservatives have been trying to "fix" this plan for years. They are deterred by the incessant caterwauling of the Democrats and their accomplices in the lamestream media that Grandma's going to be eating cat food.

Funny about government programs and taxes. Very easy to start and almost impossible to stop. Once the beast gets his daily fill, a diet is out of the equation.