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Well, I have done a lot of research today on second place Rick and must say I am not happy with what I see. We just can't go another 4 years with someone so radical. We are suffering thru 4 years with a hard left radical, so to go 4 years to the hard right will cause just as many problems. We must vote for someone that has the best interest of all Americans in mind and not one half or the other half.

GO ROMNEY......

Really? radical? Is that what you call it? Traditional American values is now radical? Maybe you should keep reading.

Ive read enough. His stance on Gay Marriage, Abortion, etc etc. is frighting. Those issue will not allow him to be elected in this country, but I would hate to see him mess up Romney from getting the nomination. Now keep in mind, he can feel the way he wants, but to use the office of the President to push forward backward thinking is not good for this country. What ever happened to majority rules even if you do not agree with it. I personally do not agree with pro-choice nor with gay marriage, but the majority of this country does and I do believe in the majority rule.

I can't believe I am saying this but I agree! I think these two things mess up politics more often than anything.

I don't think that the government should be deciding these two things.
If gays want to marry and somehow that is going to cost me money then I may have a problem with it. That is when, if it is healthcare we are talking about, gays have a health problem that causes my healthcare to go up then treat it like smoking." Do the crime do the time." Bad habits = higher premiums for them. If it is benefits they get because of the license so be it.
If they don't get them does not mean I get more. If they earned it, let them have it. You want to be gay, be gay, just don't put it in my face and make it some type of special thing.
Their marraige licence does not diminish mine so I don't care.

Abortion, as I have stated many time on here, is none of my business. That is between them are their god not them and the government.
That being said I don't think that government should be paying for it.

You want an abortion, pay for it, if you can't be more careful, rape well there are plenty of organizations to help you there without the government.

I think these two things are big losers for the GOP!

EB

Really
 

By any chance have you read up on Obama's view on Gay marriage and his vocal opinion on it during his valiant run with "Hope & Change".

Just asking, as I still don't believe for a second that you are a conservative.

He's not a conservative, he's an American. The ultra right and ultra left would do well to recognize that most of us live in the middle and don't hold rigid conservative or liberal views. And please save the "wishy washy" insults, it is called being realistic and thinking for oneself, rather than staying in line with the ideologues.

Insults? Insults are in the eye of the beholder. People sometimes don't think what they say will be perceived as insulting, but their words can be insulting none the less. I am not immune from either side of this thought.

Your words can be taken as insulting also. You are saying above that the person you're conversing with, and most likely myself also, are not thinking for ourselves but only parroting ideologues, while you with your self proclaimed intelligence are a profound thinker.

Being "in the middle" is sort of boring at a minimum, in my opinion. You either have a conviction, or you don't.

Just what is it about not being ultra right or ultra left equates to not having conviction? Would one be more admirable in terms of conviction by being a socialist?

So when I was saying that I would support Ron Paul as an independent because of issues I had with another possible GOP candidate, I got a downpour of replies telling me that we have to all stick together and vote for whoever is on the GOP ticket...WHOEVER! I was told that it was the only way to get Obama out!...Aren't we playing that way anymore, now that some of you have issues with Santorum?

You should vote your conscience and your ideals - period.

If Rick Santorum is the GOP nominee, I think I just might GLADLY get to do both! Thanks!...PLUS rid our nation's capital of a man who has no love of this country.

But on a realistic view, American voters want someone they can recognize. Don Trump has name recoginition as an icon of money and as a TV personality. There are probably enough American voters who would vote for a movie star like Brad Pitt or Matt Damon for president to make a reasonable showing.

The whole process is now run with money, money, and money. The television ads are 30 second bites that tell nothing of the candidate. Basically, it is just looking for the best star power - as Richie pointed out earlier when he mentioned the Kennedy-Nixon Debate when Nixon had a stubbly 5 o'clock shadow and sweat on his upper lip. That lost to the well coifed hair and smiling teeth of JFK.

It's ALL about looks and personality 1st, and knowledge/skill 2nd.

I wish that voters overall were not so shallow, valuing only the superficial things, but they are shallow and superficial. This is why I think Santorum does not stand a snowball's chance of defeating Obama. Obama smiles and promises free stuff, and people eat it up.

George Carlin did a standup routine on that once, how Americans like their B.S. with frosting on it. B.S. is what we get.

It's true. It's a well known fact that most who listened to the Kennedy/Nixon debates on radio thought Nixon won the debate. Those who watched on TV had an opposite reaction.

But we also have a much more diverse media today and people are generally more savvy. The last election was an emotional affair and lots of people voted their dreams.

Well, the dream has turned into a nightmare and there's no way to clean that up. Obama is going to go totally negative in this campaign because it's the only option open to him. We'll see how that plays in Peoria.

I am not influenced by any candidates campaign rhetoric as it is designed for you to hear what you like/or not to get your vote.

I prefer to look at their past, their resume', their qualifications, their promises kept record (accomplishments).

Isn't that how most of us have been chosen for positions we have had during our lives.

Have you looked at what these people have been doing for the past 10 years?
You will not get what you need to know watching the debates or what they say on television. Do some research and find out what they did.

Far too many voted for the words heard and promises made in 2008...when they should have been looking at qualifications, capability and past performance.

Vote for the potential the man has, who knows his subject VS the actor like scripted performers.

btk

btk

I was a Cain supporter, and it is a shame that he is out, as his detractors crawl back into the woodwork and disappear now that their sham is over.

Now, I will wait and see more from Santorum and Gingrich. All I needed to see from Romney other than how he can't develope more than 25% of support, was John McCain to stand side by side with Romney, as his comments about the Tea Party being Hobbits still fresh in my mind.

Sorry Romney, if you can't do better than 25% in your own party, than 75% must not think you are right for the job.

The Iowa evangelical "Christian" voters turned out and showed they did not approve of Newt at all. His baggage of divorces, affairs, and general lack of morals did him in big time for a Family Value group. This is going to be an issue for him in South Carolina with their Bible-toting voters, too.

Santorum might do okay in South Carolina however the South Carolina voters are pretty close minded about non-Protestants. Religion has a lot of play in South Carolina.

Looks as it will be Romney all the way in New Hampshire, of course, and most likely Romney on the GOP ticket in November. The question is which moderate will be on the ticket as VP candidate? Anyone who is not a moderate will sink the GOP ticket faster than Palin did in 2008.

And just how did you come to the conclusion that our President does not love his country? Unbelievable how some people think. :cus:

He does he just want admit he was born there:1rotfl::1rotfl: Alas poor birthers continue to receive ridicule

The reason we are having such difficulty with our election system is due to evolution.

It use to be some Democrats voted on the right and some Republican on the left but we have evolved into a bi-partisian system. My Dad and I suspect yours would not recognize the Democrat party of today.
impose their beliefs.

There is little directly that a president can do about the issue of abortion and gay marriage;albeit to appoint those to various courts who share their beliefs. and even then its not clear that such justices would impose their beliefs. Poeple should however consider the ununtentional and salient consequences for spoorting these two issues

Maybe because he often goes overseas and apologizes for our existence to anyone who will listen.

Okay, maybe I exaggerate, but not by much.

By quite a bit I'd say. It takes a bigger person (country) to admit that they sometimes were wrong or overreached rather than portraying USA as always right. We have not always been right. But what the hell, let's just crush the rest of the world. :cus:

I bask in your display of American Patriotism.

What a crock.

President Obama doesn't hate blacks, hispanics and gays the way the republican candidates do. I don't know how they think they can win an election.

Quite the mass slander you just took care of, but suspect from reading your posts....in your mind...

Democrats = holy, wonderful, without fault, only worried about the poor and downtrodden, non politicians, just all around great people.

Republicans = filthy rich, look down their noses on everyone else, simply hate those who are poor or downtrodden, the ultimate politicians and just all around bad people.


ONLY PROBLEM....Facts do not square with your thinking, and I am not talking about you being liberal or Democrat....you have every right to have any opinion that you want.

What you cannot do or have no right to do is to make damning, slander type statements about ANYBODY with no creditable reason. If you do this to a private citizen you get sued and rightfully so.

I guess you haven't been watching much news about the election lately. Did you hear the one where Gingrich said "young black children should work as janitors" or did you the hear the one when Santorum said he wasn't going to give blacks other people's money, or did you hear the one when Santorum equated being gay to being a bigamist (which we know was outlawed by the supreme court), or when Ron Paul wrote in his newsletter that "the LA riots were over when the welfare checks came out, or Rick Perry's "N" word sign at his ranch. I guess you don't get that kind of news on Fox. I rest my case.

where does one watch news these days?

Certainly you can't be referring to network new on television.

It is the objective of the networks to be sure to highlight any comment, slip of the lip or blooper that can be turned around to cast a doubt on the chosen offending candidate.

Why was it the same networks who were right there to tell the world every single slip Bush made while Obama has the advantage of a free pass on negative comments, slip of the lip or bloopers.

I do believe there is a pattern in their practice(s)....eh?

btk

You have NO case to rest.

What you spout is the party line....do you ever read anything...do you ever read details or are you one who gets the information from the little sound bites ? Do you ever investigate anything ? Have you ever looked into our Presidents past ? I mean really looked.

You show your total ignorance with posts like this. You distort truth but then again that seems to be the game plan.

Frankly people like you are a total disgrace to forums like this...not because of your opinion (you have none unless spoon fed to you by someone else)...that is fine and what it is all about. Some like to come here to read and learn...you distort everything to fit YOUR mold of how you want it to be seen.

I find people like you who call names, make charges with no credibility to be totally out of touch with reality and a total threat first to this forum, and eventually to this country because despite you obvious ill informed ignorance, you are able to vote.

Please leave here....find somewhere to play other than here...you are taking up space that many, who have left this forum because of people like you, could actually discuss issues.

You feel, I am sure because that is what you are, that this is because you are liberal or Democrat...has NOTHING to do with that. You are nothing but a "flamer"....a drive by poster...and NOTHING....NOTHING is to be learned by all your drivel.

There was a time when coming to this forum allowed you to hear other opinions, based on fact and presented with some degree of intelligence and sanity. That is how I learned a lot from posters on here. Folks like you have driven them away.

Please...find the door out

I think they call it jingoism Richie. :cus:

[B]Here are some links to get you started:

http://www.abcnews.go.com/.../gingri...ir-controversy
www.washingtonpost.com/.../rick-perrys-ranch
http://www.csmonitor.com/.../racistn...-paul-has-said
[url]www.washingtonpost.com/.../rick-santoram...black-people...glQAA Unless you don't believe ABC news, the Washington Post, and The Christian Science Monitor. I'll be awaiting your apology.

I'm not going to defend the long ago newsletters which had Ron Pauls masthead. He needed to know what was in them, and if he didn't that's his tough luck.

Gingrich: "I will go to the NAACP convention and tell the African-American community why they should demand paychecks instead of food stamps." He also said “Young children who are poor ought to learn how to go to work,” he continued. “What I’ve said is, for example, it would be great if inner city schools and poor neighborhood schools actually hired the children to do things. Some of the things they could do is work in the library, work in the front office. Some of them frankly, could be janitorial. Gingrich continued, “this all started when people on the Left laughed about and derided what they call hamburger flipping jobs. I did an entire thing in one of my courses on the number of people whose first job was at McDonald’s who are now very successful multi-millionaires. And my point is, any work that gets you in the habit of working beats no work.”
http://theminorityeye.com/newt-gingr...-p1167-158.htm

Santorum: "I don't want to make black people's lives better by giving them other people's money." "I want to give them the opportunity to go out and earn their money and provide for themselves and their families," he added. "The best way to do that is to get the manufacturing sector of the economy rolling."

(postscript: Santorum's remarks were made while the employment rate for blacks has risen to 16%; 17% among black men and a staggering 41% among black teens; all while President Obama claims "recovery")
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/...6-percent.html

Santorum: On the subject of gay marriage, he was asked by a student “How you justify your belief based on these morals you have about all men being created equal when two men who want to marry the person that they love ...” “What about three men?” Santorum interjected. “Reason says that if you think it’s OK for two, you have to differentiate with me why it’s not OK for three,” he added. “Let’s just have a discussion about what that means. If she reflects the values that marriage can be for anybody or any group of people, as many as is necessary, any two people or any three or four, marriage really means whatever you want it to mean.”

Anyone with any honesty knows that Santorum was only responding to someone who wants to change the definition on what is marriage. Once you change it for one group aren't you discriminating against other groups who want to enact into law their definition on what constitutes a marriage?
http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/...ve-enough.html

Amazing what putting things in context will do. It all about making you think. I know it's tough, but try it.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:rubicon~ It took me a minute...but then :1rotfl: :1rotfl: :1rotfl::1rotfl:

You will be waiting for quite some time to receive an apology from me on this item. I have apologized to others on this forum publicly, but in your case, that has no chance of every happening. I would doubt that your arrogant attitude even allows you to understand that word.

As always, you distort and in each case there is more than one side to the story but AS USUAL again, you ignore any fact that does not serve your flaming agenda.

I am betting that you would take great offense to anyone bringing up President Obamas relationship with a racist minister for 20 years whom he called him mentor, and I could understand your taking offense. While it is troubling, nobody has shown any concrete evidence of the President sharing those thoughts although his mentor had those thoughts and spewed them.

As always, you are so totally closed minded and full of hate for anyone who does not subscribe to your wishes and thoughts, you look only for that hate.

I will not defend those you choose to malign and will not malign those I oppose without looking at both sides of what is happening or asking questions. You will continue to do what you do....post inane half truths on here instead of any conversation. You are predictable, boring, ill informed and tiring.

You are not any of those things because of your political leanings. It is very informative and helpful when folks with whom you disagree list how they feel and why, but cut and paste smear jobs by immature hacks and general name calling of anyone who disagrees with you along with your tiring use of the party lines and spins is just overwhelming.

PS...by the way, none of your links worked but that is ok....EVERYONE in the universe has heard or read this spin but smartly felt it was nothing that was important enough to share on here....thankfully, there are posters who have pride in what they post !

I would like to thank janmcn for the posting that prompted this response and thanks to Richielion for the "rest of the story"!

RICH,...thanks for the work you have done to embarrass this poster for being so shallow and limited in ability. Not only ill informed, also well behind the times !

Whatever Richie and Bucco say is to their credit for looking up the full quotations - however, the damage is already on the Internet without all the explanations for people to read - and to have their own minds made up.

It does not matter if a candidate makes a statement that can be explained easily but just does not sound good, the implication is already out there on the Internet with possibly other explanations of what was really meant.

Many times, it is a case of presumed guilty until proven innocent and the masses will not accept the proof of innocense because it is not what they wanted to hear in the first place.

Candidates should be very careful in choosing their words the first time and too often they do not - and the spectre will haunt them for a long time in voter's minds.

You make good points here Buggyone. BUT the circles I travel in are made of people like Richielion, who dig much deeper to find the facts on issues. There are more of them out there than you might suspect.

Most American voters, unfortunately, are not like the circle you travel with. They are not digging deep but feeding on the headlines without reading deep into the articles.

Lots and lots of the statements will stay with the candidate even though it may not true. Some is due to the stupidity of the candidate - such as the rock with the N-word on Perry's hunting lodge. Why couldn't that have just been buried or broken up years ago instead of just turned over? Even though Perry had nothing to do with it, that stain will stay with him.

It is a mistake to mention race in a campaign because some will take it as a slur no matter what was said. It is a lose-lose situation.

Same thing goes for gay and lesbian issues. No matter what is said, someone will take offense to it.

Hell, the vast majority aren't even reading the headlines - they are getting their information from paid ads -- at best!

Where do you get your facts on how well informed people are and how well the dig for the facts? ...Ads and headlines?