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Happinow 03-04-2012 07:05 PM

Building out 466 & 466A
 
Does anyone think they will ever build up 466/466A? It seems to me that the stores, Target, Walmart, Kohls, Home Depot, lowes, etc. are all a bit far away for those of us in the newer section of TV. I sure wish they would build shopping centers, like those on 441, closer so those South of 466 didn't have to go so far to get to them. Am I being a fuddy duddy or do others feel the same? Where I come from I'm used to driving about 5-7 minutes to get to anything I need. Seems a long way out to 441 from Sanibel. My mind was just thinking......

Bill-n-Brillo 03-04-2012 07:09 PM

More commercial building along 466? I personally would have my doubts. The area where the villas on the SE corner of Morse and 466 are was previously zoned Commercial - TV opted to get the zoning modified and build the villas.

Much more will probably happen along 466A and also further on down in the Brownwood area.

Bill :)

bike42 03-04-2012 07:48 PM

Commercial on 466
 
There's still a lot of open commercial land along 466 -- i.e., between Red Lobster and Golden Corral -- plus all the land near Bealls -- no indication of how soon it will be built out, but I'm sure they're looking for tenants.

Bill-n-Brillo 03-04-2012 07:52 PM

Good point, bike42! My bad. I was thinking more about potential new areas on closer towards Morse Blvd.

Bill :)

NJblue 03-04-2012 09:18 PM

Since the area around 466 is fully built-out from a residential perspective, my guess is that the conversion of the area where the Haciendas were built from commercial to residential was a capitulation from the builder that there just is not enough demand from commercial tenants to be in that area. Hence I would imagine the wide open areas around Buffalo Junction will take a long time to fill out.

Now, the area around 466A and 44 are a different story. The area along the north side of 466A from BV into Wildwood is zoned for commercial, medical and apartments and will likely be built out as the areas south of 466A are completed. (Of course these are non-Villages owned properties and hence won't have golf cart access). The area to the immediate west of Brownwood is supposed to be a mall (Anterim Dell) and they appeared to be putting some infrastructure in for it the last time I drove by so apparently they are serious about it.

I have also heard a rumor that the area near the new interchange with the turnpike and the Morse Ave. extesion was going to be developed into a mall. This makes sense, but I have never heard it as anything more than a rumor.

NotGolfer 03-04-2012 10:42 PM

When this community is built out there will be 110K folks (give or take depending on the time of year). So we're a mid-sized city and not like the small towns some of us have moved here from. Larger cities calabrate the distances by minutes...how long it takes to drive here and there. It's said that there will be plenty of commerce built down along 44 and I'd suspect some more on 466A towards Wildwood. There's also room for some things by Colony so I'd not stress too much. The builders don't do anything til they view it's needed...they do their homework so know how to do it to fit the needs. For the people down in Buttonwood...you'd have to go by car but Wildwood does have a Winn Dixie and a CVS...and they're not bad stores. If you explore the surrounding areas there is Walmart etc along 441/27 in Leesburg as well. It takes some getting used to but eventually one does acclimate with time here.

Jim 9922 03-04-2012 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Happinow (Post 462661)
Does anyone think they will ever build up 466/466A? It seems to me that the stores, Target, Walmart, Kohls, Home Depot, lowes, etc. are all a bit far away for those of us in the newer section of TV. ......

Not a problem for us .... you should have just bought sooner!:girlneener:(just pulling your leg).
Actually, plans for major shopping areas seem to come and go over the years, and some stick. The biggest one announced was for a major shopping mall to be built on 466. It was touted as being bigger and more grand than Paddock Mall in Ocala. That was before JC Penney decided not to build and there was talk of a freeway exit off the interstate (not the toll road). Today, most of the proposed Mall Area remains open with the WalMart Super Center being the only major building on one end of that land.
I assume what eventually gets built in the newer southern area will depend on what happens to all that vacant land extending south to the toll road. Lots of homes would result in lots of new stores.

Penguin 03-04-2012 11:44 PM

For me personally, I dont want a huge shopping center near where I live. That was the draw for me to buy and eventually live in the Villages. Nice quiet hometown feel. If I want to get aggravated I can deceide to drive 20 miles. Plus I think most everything I will need is within golf cart range. If you want big shopping malls live in a big city. Done with that!!!!

gerryann 03-04-2012 11:59 PM

How far by golf cart to grocery shop (Publix) from...St. James, Buttonwood?

Skybo 03-05-2012 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by gerryann (Post 462730)
How far by golf cart to grocery shop (Publix) from...St. James, Buttonwood?

About 10-15 minutes to Colony Plaza is my guess.

Eve2278 03-05-2012 01:04 AM

Probably All Planned
 
I don't know what The Villages has planned, but I tell you I have never been disappointed. I'm am sure they have all of this figured out. Look what has been built in the last four years on 466 and Lake Sumter was up and running for a couple before they did that. I'm sure once Brownwood is built for a couple of years more places will come in. I would think they would want the villagers to be spending their money on the new business within Brownwood without any competition from the surrounding outside area in the beginning.
But We Shall See....:confused:

English Ivy 03-05-2012 06:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Happinow (Post 462661)
Does anyone think they will ever build up 466/466A? It seems to me that the stores, Target, Walmart, Kohls, Home Depot, lowes, etc. are all a bit far away for those of us in the newer section of TV. I sure wish they would build shopping centers, like those on 441, closer so those South of 466 didn't have to go so far to get to them. Am I being a fuddy duddy or do others feel the same? Where I come from I'm used to driving about 5-7 minutes to get to anything I need. Seems a long way out to 441 from Sanibel. My mind was just thinking......

Happi, once you learn the back road directions, you'll find it's not that long to get to 441 from your area.

Go east on 466A to Micro Racetrack Road and turn left. Go all the way to the end which is Lake Ella Road and turn right. Go less than a mile to Rolling Acres Road and turn left and take it all the way to 441.

Also, as someone else mentioned, there's a Walmart in Leesburg which is actually closer than the one on 466.

villages07 03-05-2012 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by English Ivy (Post 462748)
Also, as someone else mentioned, there's a Walmart in Leesburg which is actually closer than the one on 466.

And, you can get to that Walmart in Leesburg without ever having to go on 441/27.

Take 466a heading east from Colony, turn right on 25/Dixie Ave at the light just after the Fruitland Park Post Office. Follow that for several miles and turn left when you get to a stop sign. That road goes around the north side of the Walmart parking lot. (Check out a map/GPS to be sure)

There's also an Aldis and Dollar Store in the strip center just south of Walmart.

k2at 03-05-2012 07:42 AM

The concern u have regarding the distance u travel is a valid one. I bought 3 years ago in Bonnybrook although I looked in your area. But the distance to all services discouraged me from buying so far south. I believe things will get better as they build up 466a, but I did not want to wait five years to see the commercial development come to conclusion. In Bonnybrook I am 5 to 7 minutes from everything.

Be patient.

graciegirl 03-05-2012 09:02 AM

Being close to whatever you want to be close to is a something that you must consider before buying.

The new houses are in certain areas only and the lions share of the used houses are under six years old. That is pretty new!!

If you wait long enough the area around the new builds will be like the area around the old builds.

Some people like the ride through lush foliage and blooming flowers on pristine streets and others need their beer right NOW.

Happinow 03-05-2012 09:40 AM

More stores
 
Thanks everyone. To those that gave short cut directions, I jotted them down so I can explore. We will be in TV as FROGS, so I expect that through the years 466a will be built up. Between now and then, I have a plenty to do close to home so I'll just wait it out!

tghoul 03-05-2012 10:36 AM

Library
 
I was hoping the cart path to the new library would run alongside 466A. After seeing the recent dirt moving and cart paths I don't feel they can run a cart path from Buena Vista to the library beside 466A.

TicoTexan 03-05-2012 10:38 AM

Here is a thread about development of the Northwest Corner of Buena Vista & 466A.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...village-49559/

Looks like substantial commercial development is possible - it would be great!

Bill-n-Brillo 03-05-2012 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by villages07 (Post 462764)
And, you can get to that Walmart in Leesburg without ever having to go on 441/27. .........

Thanks for the tip - good info!!

Honestly, for all the times we've been through Leesburg over the course of time, I never realized there was a WalMart there until we were in TV last month! Drove by there many times - just never noticed it.

Bill :) (known for "napping at the controls" at times.......)

graciegirl 03-05-2012 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill-n-Brillo (Post 462842)
Thanks for the tip - good info!!

Honestly, for all the times we've been through Leesburg over the course of time, I never realized there was a WalMart there until we were in TV last month! Drove by there many times - just never noticed it.

Bill :) (known for "napping at the controls" at times.......)

AND that Walmart has different " stuff" than the two inside the confines of TV. When we first moved here I was able to get some decent art supplies there that weren't carried in the other two. That may have changed.

Bogie Shooter 03-05-2012 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tghoul (Post 462838)
I was hoping the cart path to the new library would run alongside 466A. After seeing the recent dirt moving and cart paths I don't feel they can run a cart path from Buena Vista to the library beside 466A.

Your hopes will be realized, and a cart path will be built.
This has been noted and confirmed on this site more than once.

skyguy79 03-05-2012 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill-n-Brillo (Post 462842)
Honestly, for all the times we've been through Leesburg over the course of time, I never realized there was a WalMart there until we were in TV last month! Drove by there many times - just never noticed it.

Bill :)

Bill, if I told you once I told you a thousand times, you gotta stop wearing those horse blinders while driving! :oops:

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Bill-n-Brillo 03-05-2012 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by skyguy79 (Post 462878)
Bill, if I told you once I told you a thousand times, you gotta stop wearing those horse blinders while driving! :oops:

Ha! Most people actually attribute it to my tendency towards "Cranial Rectal Inversion"........ :22yikes:

Bill :wave:

Barefoot 03-05-2012 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Penguin (Post 462726)
For me personally, I dont want a huge shopping center near where I live. That was the draw for me to buy and eventually live in the Villages. Nice quiet hometown feel. If I want to get aggravated I can deceide to drive 20 miles. Plus I think most everything I will need is within golf cart range. If you want big shopping malls live in a big city. Done with that!!!!

I'm on the same page as Penguin. I like the nice quiet hometown feel.

swrinfla 03-05-2012 05:13 PM

Oh, goody. Here's another place to reminisce about how things were back in '05. :jester:

When I needed things like a tv, new linens, and such, I was told "You've got to go Ocala for that stuff!" Horrible!

Now, every thing is right here!

I understand Happinow's concerns, though. One just has to bite the bullet. Oh, and avoid driving around when everybody's here!

:jester:

SWR
:beer3:

Shimpy 03-05-2012 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Happinow (Post 462661)
Does anyone think they will ever build up 466/ Where I come from I'm used to driving about 5-7 minutes to get to anything I need. Seems a long way out to 441 from Sanibel. My mind was just thinking......

I hope they don't build closer which brings traffic. I'd rather drive a little longer and farther than have this area turned into the congestion they have up north. I too was used to 5-7 minutes to shopping, most of it setting at red lights.
The post that said to take Micro Race Track road was right on. It's a beautiful ride in the country where you actually see cows and horses and almost no traffic. In a couple minutes you'll cross 466 and be to 441 shortly to the congestion and shopping.

cquick 03-05-2012 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by villages07 (Post 462764)
And, you can get to that Walmart in Leesburg without ever having to go on 441/27.

Take 466a heading east from Colony, turn right on 25/Dixie Ave at the light just after the Fruitland Park Post Office. Follow that for several miles and turn left when you get to a stop sign. That road goes around the north side of the Walmart parking lot. (Check out a map/GPS to be sure)

There's also an Aldis and Dollar Store in the strip center just south of Walmart.

yup, I've gone that way! They actually have a fabric department at that Walmart!

Golfer in Sanibel 03-05-2012 06:54 PM

I believe the area around 466A and Morse or the Brownwood 44A area will attract big box retailers as soon as they believe it is financially advantageous to locate there. As this area fills in with residents the need and the pay-off will be there for the retailers.

spk7951 03-06-2012 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Golfer in Sanibel (Post 463078)
I believe the area around 466A and Morse or the Brownwood 44A area will attract big box retailers as soon as they believe it is financially advantageous to locate there. As this area fills in with residents the need and the pay-off will be there for the retailers.


I agree but I just hope they are not too close to the houses. Also pay attention to that large track of land, over 900 acres, that is for sale on the south side of 466A just over the Sumter/Lake line in Lake County.

jblum315 03-06-2012 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spk7951 (Post 463387)
I agree but I just hope they are not too close to the houses. Also pay attention to that large track of land, over 900 acres, that is for sale on the south side of 466A just over the Sumter/Lake line in Lake County.

The Morse people, if you can believe them, said 2 years ago that they were not going to buy any more land.

graciegirl 03-06-2012 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jblum315;463***
The Morse people, if you can believe them, said 2 years ago that they were not going to buy any more land.

I am one of the few who does believe that.

janmcn 03-06-2012 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jblum315;463***
The Morse people, if you can believe them, said 2 years ago that they were not going to buy any more land.

And they've also been saying for the last 10-12 years that they would never again step foot into Lake County and they haven't. That doesn't mean that some other developer won't buy it either for homes or commercial.

bike42 03-06-2012 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 463434)
I am one of the few who does believe that.

I agree, Gracie; if the Morses wanted the land they would have bought it a long time ago.

CarGuys 03-06-2012 11:00 PM

Stores
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Happinow (Post 462661)
Does anyone think they will ever build up 466/466A? It seems to me that the stores, Target, Walmart, Kohls, Home Depot, lowes, etc. are all a bit far away for those of us in the newer section of TV. I sure wish they would build shopping centers, like those on 441, closer so those South of 466 didn't have to go so far to get to them. Am I being a fuddy duddy or do others feel the same? Where I come from I'm used to driving about 5-7 minutes to get to anything I need. Seems a long way out to 441 from Sanibel. My mind was just thinking......

Were used to driving 40 miles for shopping so the few small stores there are a welcome site. Understand you concern. Wonder if Wildwood will feel the building urge to develop and expand?

jblum315 03-07-2012 05:16 AM

Wildwood is already changing. I expect that once the buildout is done Wildwood will be completely different, new businesses, restaurants etc. The new county center/library is just the beginning.

Bogie Shooter 03-07-2012 08:19 AM

Couple years ago Wildwood expanded the city boundries in all four directions. Smart move by the city fathers.

mulligan 03-07-2012 08:48 AM

The only thing that's a cause for concern is that the wildwood city council just changed the zoning of the cattle ranch between tamarind grove and 466a to multi use. Opens the door for almost anything. I'm hoping for a nuclear power plant.

Bogie Shooter 03-07-2012 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mulligan (Post 463691)
The only thing that's a cause for concern is that the wildwood city council just changed the zoning of the cattle ranch between tamarind grove and 466a to multi use. Opens the door for almost anything. I'm hoping for a nuclear power plant.

How about another tire store??

spk7951 03-07-2012 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jblum315;463***
The Morse people, if you can believe them, said 2 years ago that they were not going to buy any more land.


From looking at the Lake County land map it appears to me that it would be very difficult to tie that large property to The Villages so I seriously doubt the Morse family would be interested in it.
I tend to think that property could be prime for a commercial development.

Bill-n-Brillo 03-07-2012 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 463710)
How about another tire store??

A popcorn store, perhaps? :popcorn:

Bill :wave:


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