Voter Roll Purge in Florida
 

All 67 county Supervisors of Elections suspend Gov Rick Scott's purge of voters. Even after Scott was ordered to cease and desist by the US Justice Department, he vowed to continue in violation of the Voters Right Act of 1965 and the National Voter Registration Act. Gov Scott has turned Florida once again into the laughting stock of the country. He needs to be prosecuted.


All 67 Florida Election Supervisors Suspend Voter Purge

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/02/op...&smid=tw-share

why is it a bad thing to purge the rolls of unqualified voters??

btk

I think you know the answer to your question, btk. No purging and no ID's. So much easier to cheat that way. Remember it is not who votes, it is who counts the votes.

It is quite obvious why Holder's Department of Justice is interferring with Florida's attempt to purge its list of deceased, felons and foreigners. I have no love for our governor but I wish him well in this endeavor. The other issue raised with an outdated list is the fact that photo ideas become all the more important. Finally Holder apparently fears loss of these votes so what does that say about an Obama election? Hmmmmmmmmm

Voter-Purge List Appears Flawed | TheLedger.com

http://www.northescambia.com/2012/06...purges-for-now

Have you seen any of the people that are getting these letters on TV? How about the 91 year old, World War Two, purple heart winning, veteran who was born in Brooklyn and has voted in Florida for over a decade? How about the woman, born in Ohio, who has voted in Florida for forty years? Yesterday's newspaper mentioned one fellow that got a letter is a self confessed schitzophrenic, who said he never registered to vote and never voted.

Obviously the 67 county Supervisors of Elections, who hold elected office, do not want to be prosecuted and sent to federal prison, but the governor thinks he is above the law, as he has demonstrated many times before.

State Defies Federal Warning To Halt Voter Purge:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1564131.html

Obviously, this kind of voter suppression happens in other states too.
 

It is NOT if they really are unqualified. However, the method they are using appears to be faulty and violates another long standing law.

It appears they are after Hispanics could it be because the Republican nominee has a BIG problem with that segment of the population.?

They are NOT going after the dead or felons....just World War II Purple Heart holders.

Have you forgotten about an election, in 2000, which tipped on what 575 votes after another famous Florida voter purge?

All voters in all states should be vetted. There are too many illegal voters period.

"Damn the inconvenience, full speed ahead"

Richie.... I guess it depends on who is being inconvenienced...I just dashed off another email to COS TSA because they still don't have a scanner. As I just returned to Colorado the lack of a scanner at my local airport is a big deal. Its another 5 months of trekking to DEN to fly out.

BTW, the actual level of voter fraud in Florida is very low. The head of the Republican party in Florida could only site on instance during a recent interview.

I agree with you Richie, if the election officials were doing their jobs there would be no need to purge because the voting lists would be accurate and up to date. If they are complaining the election officials should be replaced. And I have NO respect for the US Attorney General who seems to oppose anything and everything that makes sense.

I also do not care about the isolated 91 year old this or that or if someones toes get stepped on by accident or somebody's feelings get hurt in the process......the fact of the matter there is a problem with voter fraud in Fl. It has been recognized. A plan has been approved. Most people who want good, genuine election results are in favor of the cleansing of a system that ALLOWS fraud.

Once again showing the onsey twosey examples are in no way justification for not doing the right thing....getting rid of names and people who do not belong on the voter list.....for those who are against doing this I still have not heard any answer stating why it is OK to have non qualified voters on the polls.

Under the current administration it seems where ever there is opportunity for fraud to be eliminated there is always a reason why NOTHING gets done about it.

Examples?
Tolerating/allowing Illegal immigrants!!
Tolerating/allowing Medicare fraud!!

and many more. WHY? If it is illegal and or wrong why is it not OK to fix it?

btk

Gov Rick Scott would fire all 67 County Supervisors of Elections today if he could. Unfortunately for him they are elected officials. If Scott knew anything about the National Voter Registration Act of 1992, he would know that the deadline for purging the voter rolls had already passed for the 2012 election cycle. You can't fire people for abiding by the law. Once again, Scott shows that he believes that he is above the law, which he has proven over and over.

And who's company commited the largest Medicare fraud in United States history? Ding, ding, ding. That's correct. Governor Rick Scott. Of course, he knew nothing about it seeing that he was only the CEO. Either he is the biggest contributor of Medicare fraud or he was totally incompetent as a CEO. Lucky for him he was able to plead the fifth 72 times.

Just because the present "documentation requirements" aren't strong enough to ferret out the fraudulent voters doesn't mean there isn't widespread fraud.

Why would the Republican Party stir up this much controversy before a critical election if they didn't know the fraud was substantial?

Why would the radical leftist serving as our head of the DOJ protest so loudly at the vetting of voters. Fraudulent voters would appear to be a problem that should be at the highest priority for his office. I can only think of one reason why he "doth protest too much".

I certainly wasn't referring to the inconvenience you're required to endure to travel by air for your job in order to maintain your needed level of personal space and privacy.

Your problem with the airlines is a perfect example of the need for a frequent flier pass. You could be vetted and cleared once by the government, and issued a secure I.D. card that would speed you through lines. The cost of this would have to be picked up by you or your employer, and it's a solution I can't understand not already being implemented.

I had a similar FBI background check in order to transport hazardous material on the roads when I was working. I had to pay around $100 out of my pocket for this background and identity check. I was then cleared by Homeland Security and issued my "fraud proof picture I.D." license.

I can't understand why that couldn't be done for frequent fliers.

You missed my point, if the job was done correctly, there would be no need to purge. Elected officials will be dealt with in the elections.

some how the majority in FL knowing all this information elected him....right?

Once again, small percentage incidents presented while passing over the question:

If it is illegal and or wrong why is it not OK to fix it?

btk

And what proof is there that the voting lists are not accurate outside of Governor Rick Scott's bogus claims? Please post your links.

Just love how you righties are already setting the excuses for losing in November. The main stream media favors Obama. Voter fraud is rampant. What else?
Hope it softens the blow for you and makes you all feel better. :doh:

If voter fraud and illegal registration is so rampant in Florida, why haven't we heard of these perpetrators being put on trial since 2008? Our courts should have been full of these fraudulent cases being tried. We only hear of voters being purged right before an election, as was the case in 2000.

Supporting valid voter rolls is Republican desperation?

Romney is already 8 pts ahead in Florida, as we speak.

Keeping the voting honest would do well to that reflecting in the tally.

cologal - is voter fraud okay with you even if it is very low in florida - regardless of who makes such a claim?

The "purging" of voter rolls in Florida by the Republicans is just one more example of their racism. Jim Crow is alive in Florida.

illegal is illegal is illegal ad infinitum!

,,,

You can think better than this.

illegals
 

What does one have to do with the other. You and your ilk seem to babble the Dem line no matter how ridiculous it makes you or them sound. All the Dems on this thread seem to be no more than a bunch of parrots. If there are people (dead or otherwise,) voting illegally, then why should it not be stopped and the perps prosecuted?

Someone, is out there neutralizing your vote, or, stealing the import of my vote. A LEGAL VOTE is an entitlement to me, and not for a criminal to dilute by fraud. Buried in the approval of illegals voting, seems to be the only way that the current POTUS can be reelected.

The attempt to avoid the issues by trying to cast missdeeds upon the Governor does not excuse the illegality of voter fraud. Stick to the subject at hand. If you want to pontificate about Gov. Scott and other instances where you think he is off base, then, start a new thread.

By the way, what are your credentials to question which actions are constitutional or otherwise? Could they be what you read in the Lame Street Media or do you profess to be some kind of Constitutional scholar. In any event, I believe you are way off base in condoning illegal and fraudulent voting and attempting to cast dispersions in other directions in order to justify this untenetable position. What does drug testing and privitization of prisons have to do with the issue at hand other than to take pot shots at the Governor?

Purging the voter list is just the Repubs pro-active way of stealing an election. In 2000 they had to wait until after the election to steal it. Same difference in my opinion. :doh:

why is it that so many things that are wrong are either OK or supported by Obama supporters?

I still have not seen a simple answer to a simple question"

If it is either wrong or broken why is it not OK to fix it?

The only rhetoric always turns out to be some partisan slamming. I am beginning to think you folks are being seriously constrained about what you are allowed to discuss.

btk

Me and my ilk as you phrased it, resent the Republicans trying to swing the
upcoming vote by illigally using jim crow voting laws to keep the voters
from exercising their rights. These laws that were passed by a right wing
governor and his tea party cronies will be found to be unconstitutional. How
many voter fraud cases are there? May be a very few. There is nojustification
for these regulations.
aassande@comcast.net

This is my thread. I am not condoning illegal and fraudulent voting, but explaining the questionable way the governor went about purging the voter rolls with his questionable background. Please post all examples of voter fraud that have been prosecuted in the state of Florida since 2008.

You and your ilk can't believe that President Barack Obama won the election fair and square in 2008, as opposed to George W Bush in 2000. As you recall, he got over ten million more votes than Senator John McCain. The only way you and your ilk think you can defeat him in 2012 is to throw up all these bogus claims. Perhaps you'd have a better chance if your nominee wasn't so lame. Still waiting for those links to all the cases of voter fraud that have been prosecuted since 2008. You and your ilk just make yourselves look ridiculous making these allegations with no proof.

"Gov. Rick Scott’s administration created a mess by trying to get rid of noncitizen voters.

And President Obama’s administration helped him do it.

First, Obama’s Department of Homeland Security stonewalled the state’s noncitizen voter hunt for nearly nine months by refusing Florida access to an immigration database. Then, on Thursday, Obama’s Justice Department ordered the purge to halt, in part because time had run out.

Ironically, DOJ’s order cited the so-called “Motor Voter” law, which actually calls on states to purge ineligible voters. One former DOJ lawyer and critic, conservative J. Christian Adams, blogged that the former Obama appointee in charge of the voting section announced early on that it would ignore Motor Voter’s purge obligation.

“We have no interest in enforcing this provision of the law,” he quoted Julie Fernandes as saying in 2009 when she was an assistant attorney general. “It has nothing to do with increasing turnout, and we are just not going to do it.” She has since left DOJ.

So to recap: the feds delayed and then said time expired under a law it selectively enforces"

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"A 1996 immigration crackdown law gives Florida the right to access the Homeland Security database known as SAVE, which stands for “Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements.” The federal law provides for "customer agencies to use SAVE for any legal purpose such as background investigations and voter registration."

The words in that quote come from page 12 of Homeland Security’s own booklet on SAVE. So why won’t DHS heed the law and its own booklet and share its info?

It won’t say. “Talk to DOJ,” a Homeland Security official said in an email Friday

DOJ isn’t really forthright, either.

On Thursday afternoon, a spokesman for the voting section of the Justice Department said it wouldn’t comment on whether it would heed the call of liberal-leaning civil rights groups to stop Florida’s noncitizen voter purge. It also refused to answer questions about Motor Voter.

Hours later, about 8 p.m., DOJ sent its de facto cease-and-desist letter to Florida and then forwarded the letter to a liberal blog.


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"It’s also doubtful Florida would be in this situation if DHS had given access to SAVE when Florida asked in October 2011.

Without SAVE, Florida relied on a motor-vehicle database that’s not updated when someone becomes a citizen. So those immigrants who become citizens and then register to vote can look like noncitizens via a simple database query.

Initially, Florida found 180,000 potential matches. It then greatly pared down the list to almost 2,700 by double-checking the information and then sending its potential noncitizen list to county election supervisors.

Florida won’t release its original list of 180,000 potential matches. DHS won’t let Florida have access to SAVE. And DOJ’s not being straight with the mainstream press or, apparently, with its enforcement of federal law."

Florida is no angel, not even close but it appears to be a case of political one upmanship AGAIN by this administration, and as usual the press accomodates. !!!!!



How Obama aided and abetted Scott’s voter purge mess - Marc Caputo - MiamiHerald.com

Justice Department Encourages Voter Fraud The Chicago Way
 

By ordering Florida to end it's efforts to remove ineligible voters from the state's voter rolls, it becomes breathtakingly clear that the government is actively promoting voter fraud.....(this from Investors Business Daily)

Democrats have made it clear that honest elections are not in their best interests. From the easy registration of the "motor voter laws", to the fierce opposition to requirements that voters must prove they are who they say they are, it becomes clear that the leftists favor messy elections.

Accusations that voter ID requirements disenfranchise minority voters are nonsense. The process of authenticating your identity is required for so many day to day activities, from flying, cashing a check, to getting a driver's license or passport. There should be no less required for the greatest privilege and duty of them all.

The Justice Department Tries To Shut Down Florida's Effort To Reduce On Voter Fraud - Investors.com

For those of you that keep insisting that Bush stole the elelction in 2000 don't forget that three different recounts were done. One by Dems, one by Repubs and one by Indeps. All three showed Bush winning. Also, the media called Florida for Bush before the polls had closed in the Panhandle. It was estimated that it costs Bush 10,000 votes. That doesn't even take in how many votes it costs him in states that had many hours to go before they closed. Once Florida was called for Gore many people, myself included, figured that was it. If Gore had won his home state he would have won. He didn't even win his district.

a lot of the usual dodging and weaving from the usual Obama supporters, but still no comments on :

If it is wrong or broken why is it not OK to fix it?


btk

Being from Chicago I couldn't of said it better.The Dem's of cook county made the mob look honest

thank your for your post, whatever.

aassande - would you and your ilk be willing to find A 'better' legal way to purge the voter rolls in florida? you ask how many voter fraud cases there are and then suggest maybe very few...i ask you -