Immigration Reform Passed by Cabinet-Level Directive
 

President Barack Obama will announce in the Rose Garden at 1:15pm today that he is suspending the deportation of young people under the age of 30 and granting them work visas by executive order. This is essentially the Dream Act, that Senator Marco Rubio has talked about but never put down on paper, making it difficult for republicans difficult to oppose.

President Obama already holds a 41% lead over Mitt Romney with hispanics.


Obama Administration To Stop Deporting Younger Undocumented Immigrants And Grant Work Permits

So your proud of fiat by government. Try living in Syria, Iran or North Korea and if you are ever allowed to leave let us know how you liked it.

We know Obama is proud of government by fiat (he admits he's envious of the Chinese president).

I think the OP was simply pointing out what Obama is doing, how it resembles ideas proposed by certain GOP members, and how it will probably solidify his base in the Hispanic community.

This is from the DREAM Act proposed legislations described in wikipedia....arguments for and against are there.

These are valid points in opposition to the concept, whether or not you like government by fiat.

"Opponents of the DREAM Act argue that it encourages and rewards illegal immigration. Other stands include viewing it as importing poverty and cheap labor, being a military recruitment tool, having economic and social burdens (subsidies from state and federal taxes, degradation of the public school system and neighborhoods), and as being unfair to American-born and legal immigrant parents and children who must pay full tuition at state universities and colleges.

Some concerns center on the parameters of the proposal, specifically that it would admit individuals who have already formed their identities overseas (i.e. people who arrived up to age 16), that illegal immigrants up to age 35 are allowed to legalize through it, that it would result in massive fraud similar to the 1986 amnesty, and that it will encourage additional illegal immigration. There are additional concerns that the DREAM Act will shield gang members from deportation."

quidam65If that were only the case but I have read several of this members posts and s/he intent here was reflected in my response because otherwise I always try and give a person the benefit of doubt

What I noticed the other day while shopping with my wife were all of these workers, young and obviouly American born kids, who were taking jobs away from illegals.

isn't this SIMILAR to the guest worker program that gw bush promoted and was demonstrably criticized for?

OK you know the territory better than I so I will give you the benefit of the doubt as to who is in the tank for Obama and who isn't.

In response to the president's announcement, Senator Marco Rubio did concede in a statement that President Obama's immigration order is "welcome news for many of these kids desperatly waiting for an answer".

Worth noting about Rubio and his Dream Act alternative; He's yet to write draft on any legislation on the subject. This could cause problems between him and Mitt Romney, as Romney has vowed to repeal any Dream Act that gets passed by congress.

Rubio Has Yet to Provide His Alternative to Dream Act | TheLedger.com

Correction: It's not the Dream Act, but a new policy for young immigrants that the president just unveiled. The Dream Act is stuck in congress - surprise, surprise. There is no path to citizenship in his proposal, only a two year work permit with no threat of deportation for qualified young people.

Today's action was certainly a major coup for him and a real step upward.

No one can criticize it. It does not give citizenship and it does not threaten deportation to children who have been raised in Americal. It is a win-win for the President.

if Obama has such a commanding lead why did he prostitute himself (AGAIN!) with a back door approach which has been labeled by both parties today as nothing but a blatant political move.

It will definitely derail any hopes of immigration reform. Why would there be a need for any reform. He just put the welcome sign at the border....c'mon over and bring your kids or anybody else's kids with you.

So now what do we do with the illegal parents? NOTHING as per usual except now who would have the heart to send the parents packing?

And oh by the way what are the age limits? what are the controls for the young ones you really don't want in this country?

I say again if he has such a commanding lead with Hispanics why would he do take such a know controversial action?
One reason and one reason only...he is not confident enough he can hold the voting base....Hispanic or otherwise.

Please don't give me any of the partisan flotsam that he is doing the right thing for the illegal young.

He is buying votes pure and simple...Obama only moves or takes action on that which benefits Obama.

Just the beginning. Wait and see what else he does to buy votes.

Political prostitution to be as polite as possible about it.

btk

Are you calling the POTUS a ho? :yuck:

What do you call Mitt Romney, who during the GOP primary staked out the most extreme immigration position of the GOP field, saying he would repeal the Dream Act if congress passed it. Today Romney said he agrees with Senator Marco Rubio, who said earlier the president's act is "welcome news for many of these kids desperate for an answer".

Getting dizzy watching Romney change positions. President Obama might have assured today that Rubio will be the VP pick. Looks like you're running out of people to vote for.


EXCLUSIVE: Romney Immigration Adviser Calls Obama's New Policy 'Illegal' | ThinkProgress

The actions of a Dictator. His way or the highway. No Congress, no bills, not even an executive order.

If anyone needed any more proof that "The Amateur" needs to be run out of Washington on a rail, this is it.

This is the nail in the coffin of the Obama Presidency.

i see this as a win-win for those who qualify for the benefit - not as a win-win for the prez who has again made a purely insincere political move.

seems to me that you and the article's author are making the assumption that BECAUSE romney did NOT come out and voice an opinion that is counter to the intent of this political action that he has changed his position since may. until i actually hear romney say something to that effect, i will not make the same assumption.

I'm thinking that the Obama Team has intel that Rubio is the pick for VP and has quickly tossed this new ruling out there to offset that choice. They seem to fire things off quickly and let the courts sort it out later.

Doesn't behave much like an amateur. :laugh:

prob because he has axlerod and plouffe pulling his strings!

Republicans seem to forget that in 1986 their hero, President Ronald Reagan, passed the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act that granted amnesty to nearly three million illegal immigrants.


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=128303672

But it is a lose-lose for citizens and legal residents of the USA who are jobless and now have even more competition for jobs, since the people benefiting from today's executive order will be given work permits.

It is also a lose-lose for college students applying for financial aid, which is already less available to non-minority low-income students.

Again, the middle-income taxpayer will be subsidizing other students' financial aid while they (taxpayers) cannot afford to pay for their own children's college costs. And the citizen college students themselves, whose unemployment rate is already 25% or more, will have more competition for the jobs they need while in college because the illegals will now have work permits.

I hope not. That would be an insult toy the honest ho's of this nation.

:bigbow::bigbow::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

The Tea Peeps are throwing a hissy fit tonight.

Has Willard backed away from his self-deport nonsense?

Classy.

You're wholly mistaken. This is going to cause a huge backlash. He's going to regret this day, even if he takes it back.

A true Amateur.

Wasn't Any Hope Anyway
 

It was a smart political move by Obama, doing something that is impossible for either party to criticize. If there's any criticism at all it is that the POTUS has bypassed the Congressional legislative process.

But it really can't be alleged that Obama "derailed any hope of immigration reform". Sadly, there was no hope of any reform because of the ideological and political deep freeze in Congress.

The Dream Act is stalled in congress because Republican Senators filibustered the bill, even though it got 55 votes. The president's actions yesterday may cause congress to revisit this bill, or may cause Senator Marco Rubio to actually produce the bill that he's been working on but has yet to put anything in writing. These are the two choices for republicans if they hope to get any hispanic votes in the upcoming election.

Of course, we know that Speaker Boehner lead his house members on their ninth recess of the year, and this is only mid-June, so how could they debate anything?

I love your references to FOX Noise constantly. Your television or computer must be linked to them 24/7. Bet it drives Mrs. Lion up the wall.

Anyhow, back to the message - this pre-emptive move by Pres. Obama against anything proposed in the future by Marko Rubio was brilliant. Mitt Romney cannot speak against it since Rubio wanted something very similar. It is not a law so it does not have to go through Congress. Brilliant is the best description for this exceptional political play that will benefit thousands of good young people in the USA.

I am astounded at the number of people that appauld, rather than show concern, for this Chavez-esque move by Obama, something that he has done repeatedly in the past and will clearly do in the future. Given that second terms leave plenty of room for ignoring accountability this ego-centric artful dodger is going to eat all of our lunches if he is re-elected.

I am afraid that the criticism of our failing education system has taken root because far too many voters fail to comprehend or recognize abuses by the government and this Administration in particular of ignoring the Constitution and our loss of freedoms. The government role should be to educate and advise but the people should decide. Perhaps there is gridlock in Congress but then perhaps some of those issues need to be tabled, perhaps not. However, I would prefer a slow moving Congress rather than these assaults on our constitution by Obama.

Lets see...must be no older than 30,enrolled in school,graduated from high school or served in military,has been here 5 continuous years and have a clean criminal record. Those are the qualifications...the dream act has been stuck in congress filibustered by repubs,nothing getting done as usual by Congress. I applaud the President for doing something,I wish he would do it more. Then we have the utter nonsense from the right...chavez-esque the amateur,dictator,back-door,more competition,assault,and the new catch word fiat! If congress refuses to get anything done let the chavez-esque,amateur,dictator rule by fiat.

Can someone please explain to me how and why this will benefit
WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES????

Will we be "footing the bill" for the next two years for illegal aliens?

If their parents are still illegal and unable to buy a house, who is paying the school taxes?

What about health care? Will they continue to use "charity care" which was running rampant in New Jersey when I lived there....

Please...just explain the benefits to we citizens of this country...I am totally stumped and would appreciate any insight you guys could give me.

"...chavez-esque the amateur,dictator,back-door,more competition,assault,and the new catch word fiat!"

All of these words were taken directly from FOX News. These wubers love to parrot words by their heroes of Lush, Caribou Barbie, and the rest of those wing-nuts.

do you really believe that rubio is atually working on a bill? i am more likely to believe that the bill is pretty much written and was written by committee with rubio appt'd to be the prime sponsor if he is needed to run as v.p.! hod do ya like that conspiracy? ;)

Next Best Thing
 

Was the Executive Order political?...absolutely. But did it order something that both political parties pretty much agreed upon, but held hostage in Congress for purely political reasons?

Whoever winds up getting more votes as the result of this order--and at this point it appears to be Obama--the opposing political party in Congress has no one to blame but themselves for being so stalemated and non-productive as to permitted it to happen.

I hate to say it, but if the democratic process no longer works, maybe a benevolent dictatorship is the next best thing. It's an easy fix...get a Congress that will actually legislate for the benefit of the People!

You're so full of it. You're just instigating without substance, and making it up as you go along. Whenever you're stumped for a cogent comment you accuse others of stupidity and only being parrots of others, when the truth is that you have no compelling response to offer and can only bash out of frustration.

How about a little honesty.

wayne - i'd like to know why the potus did not get the dream act passed when he had the congressional majority for 2 years? why did the issue have to wait so long to be resolved? as if we all didn't know! lol how can you applaud the prez for the unethical end run of congress? i find such behavior despicable and without courage! ruling by fiat is proof that the ruler doesn't have the guts - nor the votes - to fight for what they believe is the right thing to do.

Losing it! :kiss:

President Obama tried to get the Dream Act passed when he had the congressional majority. Unfortunately, on Dec 18, 2010 the senate vote was 55-41, and the republicans filibustered the bill requiring a 60 vote majority. Five democrats voted no, three republicans voted yes, and four senators were absent.

44 - Senate defeats DREAM Act