Food stamps
 

The Food Stamp Program, administered by the U.S. Department of
Agriculture, is proud to be distributing the greatest amount of free
meals and food stamps ever.

Meanwhile, the National Park Service, administered by the U.S.
Department of the Interior, asks us to "Please Do Not Feed the
Animals."
Their stated reason for the policy is because the animals
will grow dependent on handouts and will not learn to take care of
themselves.



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What's your point?

Obvious point well-taken.:smiley:

Not funny. On Medicare or pension - you are on a handout buddy

What you said is true, but not completely. The situation of "handouts" is undoubtedly not funny. As for Medicare and pensions, they are handouts, but most definitely not in the case of where recipients either contributed toward or worked for what they receive! For them it's called "earned benefits," not "handouts"!

Maybe, but mostly not. I paid 51 years into Social Security and from the very beginning into Medicare. Yes they will probably be a good deal, but I didn't have a choice. It was a tax forced on me by our government. So it is not a handout now that they are giving me back my money. And if I live another 12.8 years I will finally break even. Then I will collect something if I live past 79 years old.

As for food stamps. If someone really needs help I completely support them getting the help. However I can go to any grocery store in our area and find someone selling food stamp cards for 60 cents on the dollar to buy things not paid for by food stamps. Usually beer, cigarettes or drugs. The next time your in line and someone pays with food stamps, follow them to the parking lot and see what car they drive. It's an eye opener. IMHO it is one of the most abused welfare "handouts" we have.

So I agree with original poster, point well made.

This thread started in the joke thread, but it isn't a joke. I have to agree with l2rdhd.

This probably should be in political but to me it is a general issue. I bet the people who could write books are the check out clerks at the grocery.

Like 12ridehd and so many millions more we paid into both programs for better than 50 years without any say in the matter.

This could have been a good thing because many people in both programs lacked the effort or lack the opportunity to do any savings or carry medical coverage at all. Corporations use to do a adequate attempt at providing benefits but somewhere along the line they stopped and reversed course. This left quite a few workers in dire straights.

Many like my wife and me never place trust in relying on others and so banked every penny we could deferring compensation for retirement years.

I said both these programs coud have been a good thing however our greedy representatives misrepresented themseves so as to have the opportunity to avail themselves to our funds because they felt "entitled" to do so . Then they played the political game and called these programs "entitlements" giving them the option to pull them from us. Well I mad as ----and I am not going to take it.

Food stamps on the other hand are an entitlement but for some a need. However there are so many abuses and undeserving beneficaries in the program because the government lacks the will to clean up their mess .

You have to know the program is failing many when many generation after generations continue on this program. It is morally repugnant to keep these folks in such bondage making them "in effect" addicted to this program.
I am not talking about the individual that needs a hand up to get back on their feet. I am talking about those that find this is the righteous way of life. so muc so that they feel good about buying $42 ice cream cakes as was explained in an article on the subject in WSJ. Heck I can't afford nor would pay that amount for an everyday cake.

Finally I wish the liberals would stop using the same old argument that conservatives argue against entitlements but collect their social security checks every month. It is disingenious of liberals and they know it. Better they use their intellect and energy to push elected officials into getting some of these food stamp beneficiaries out of servitude

Remember we have to take care and feed the children. Some may abuse the system but you do not deny anyone because of them. Follow someone from a store to a nice car in the parking lot,people have been using that line for 50 years. Whats your point?...

[QUOTE=paulandjean;511927]Remember we have to take care and feed the children. QUOTE]

I disagree!! WE should not have to take care of someone elses children. They need to take care of them. It's time WE stopped paying people for having more children.

Do those among you that see SS as a "handout" send your checks back every month?

The point is pretty simple!. The system is abused and it's obvious! Some politicans and their supporters look the other was so the system can be played. Welfare could be a wonderful thing... if it weren't used and abused for purposes other than what it's intended for!

In a perfect world we should not have to take care and feed someones else children.,However we do not live in a perfect world,so you do the right thing.Not to sure of this taxpayers money to have children theory. Just think of it as a church collection baskets for the needy.

Rodney king and Elvis
 

Just remember what. Rodney king said " help i can't swim!!


Or Elvis sang the best song the way our country should be run....."only the strong survive!!" now we got a bunch of wimps!
When Hillary is President this will be a scarey place

[quote=getdul981;511929]What? Let them starve? There but by the grace of God go you? :(

[quote=DaleMN;511992]It isn't that simple. We tried to arrange ourelves to plan to have as many children as we could take care of ourselves.

In the old days children were sometimes placed in orphanages when their parents weren't able to care for them and sometimes when I read of the abuse and neglect and even murder of some children, I wonder if that wouldn't be better.

No one wants a child to go unfed, but the way the system is set up it looks like some of the parents getting food stamps can allow their children to go unfed while they feed their drug habit.

I respect you mightily for your kind heart and good mind DaleMN, but the system is flawed when it comes to welfare in my opinion.

[quote=DaleMN;511992]So DaleMN...what exactly is your solution?

Do we allow those who have been receiving food stamps for generations to continue doing so?

What would be YOUR answer to the problem?

I am sure you have something in mind....you obviously have some thoughts on political matters since you reply to almost every political post.

I, for one, would like to see a meaningful, substantial post on what you feel is a solution to our country's problems, especially the food stamp entitlement.

Please...enlighten me.

Mr. Admin...I am not attacking....just would like a real answer from DaleMN.

chicago92, sorry pal, my pension is no handout. I worked for 36 years for a company who promised my pension as a benefit, and I'm about to collect it. You are wrong about pensions. About Medicare, there is a half truth there. Yes, it is a benefit from the government, even though we've all contributed part of the cost. But not all of it. Frankly, I think you are a troll, who just throws some **** in the game to get people upset.

It's been reported in the media that many food stamp recipients are the elderly and veterans. Now there's a move to reduce the amount from $135 a month down to $90. Somebody on TV broke this down to $1.50 a meal.

and if the federal government would crack down on the food stamp fraud and eliminate those who do not qualify and are abusing the system, there would be no need to reduce those that really need them.

But in our permissive, pacifist, don't upset any potential voting block disease, nothing gets done. Hence the number getting on the band wagon continues to grow and as the original post alludes.....the care and feeding goes on...and on....and on.

Lack of enforcement is the name of the disease. Tolerating it is worse than the disease.

btk

I agree
 

:BigApplause::BigApplause:I can't tell you how many times, I'm in line at check-out and the customer in front of me is using his Food Stamp card, and they have tatoos, false fingernails, gold teeth, wearing brand name shoes and clothes and buying beer...Ugh!....How do you fix such a broken system when our congressman have no guts! (really wanted to say something else but cleaned it up!)

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".....In the political language of today, people who want to keep what they have earned are said to be "greedy," while those who wish to take their earnings from them and give it to others (who will vote for them in return) show "compassion."

A political term that had me baffled for a long time was "the hungry." Since we all get hungry, it was not obvious to me how you single out some particular segment of the population to refer to as "the hungry."

Eventually, over the years, it finally dawned on me what the distinction was. People who make no provision to feed themselves, but expect others to provide food for them, are those whom politicians and the media refer to as "the hungry."

Those who meet this definition may have money for alcohol, drugs or even various electronic devices. And many of them are overweight.

But, if they look to voluntary donations, or money taken from the taxpayers, to provide them with something to eat, then they are "the hungry."

I can remember a time, long ago, when I was hungry in the old-fashioned sense. I was a young fellow out of work, couldn't find work, fell behind in my room rent -- and, when I finally found a job, I had to walk miles to get there, because I couldn't afford both subway fare and food.

But this was back in those "earlier and simpler times" we hear about. I was so naive that I thought it was up to me to go find a job, and to save some money when I did. Even though I knew that Joe DiMaggio was making $100,000 a year -- a staggering sum in the money of that time -- it never occurred to me that it was up to him to see that I got fed....


Thomas Sowell: A Political Glossary

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I agree with Skyguy that this is a brilliant post to this thread, and should probably be the intellectual end of it.

Like that'll happen.

I think we should let them all go hungry and die.

They obviously have no redeeming value. :( :grumpy: :mad:

Some think the fraud is just fine,Either they don't believe because never lived in a major city,or are fine putting their children in debt for years to come because that's the way they live. ,But in chicago everyday your offered a deal on food.This has been the way for last 30 yrs.If these systems were cleaned up the needy could be taken care of a lot better then they are.I just do not understand why some on the left don't want anything cleaned up.I

We Seem To Be Forgetting...
 

...that however generous and obligated we feel about caring for those less able to care for themselves, we can only do what we can afford.

We have lots of government programs, from defense to social welfare programs. For a variety of reasons, the government isn't taking in enough money to pay for everything that people want them to spend money on. So we borrow to continue to enable such spending. In fact, we borrow a lot--about 42 cents of every dollar spent by the federal government is borrowed money.

As much as we might like to, we can't afford to continue spending as much as we do. In the end we will have to establish agreed upon national priorities. A real basic one that has been mentioned for years is "guns or butter?". Another choice we'll have to make is how we can continue to fund Social Security and Medicare entitlement programs as we have. Some combination of cuts in those program benefits, cuts in other government spending, or increased taxes will be the choices we'll eventually face.

"I can't tell you how many times, I'm in line at check-out and the customer in front of me is using his Food Stamp card, and they have tatoos, false fingernails, gold teeth, wearing brand name shoes and clothes and buying beer...Ugh!...."

You say you live in the Village of LaZamora and you see this a lot of times? What food stores do you shop at? Beer is not one of the items that can be bought with food stamps. I have lived in The Villages for 3 years and do shopping both in and out of The Villages. I have never seen people as you describe buying beer with food stamps.

I have seen a man or a woman with a small child buying things like milk, cereal, hamburger, and spaghetti with their food stamps from time to time. Shall we turn them away?

Lots of the Conservatives who are posting about the poor people having too many children and we have to pay for their welfare are the same ones who do not want Pro-Choice and to let a woman terminate an unwanted pregnancy.

Most people that stand so strongly against food stamps, and who characterize them all as tatooed, stinky, fat people who buy beer and cigarettes with them, probably have never really known anyone who was on food stamps. While it is true that there are abuses, as there are among bankers, doctors, hospitals, farm corporations, and every other occupation you can name, there are many people who have legitimate and proper needs for the program. There was a program on this week (I beleive it was 20/20) which focused on several families that had been middle or upper middle class professionals, lost their jobs, had been unable to find employment, and were now on food stamps among other subsistence. For the most part they professed embarassment for having to use food stamps, but not so much for other government assistance they received. Why? because other people, who might be judgemental could possibly see they were using food stamps, while no one knew about where the money they were receiving came from. Before you judge others too harshly, you may want to consider the circumstances that they may have fallen into.

I wondered myself where the poster shops so I can avoid that store. Conservatives are all about the babies, until they're born, then they want nothing to do with them such as abolishing food stamps, defunding Planned Parenthood for their mothers, ending Head Start, no school lunch program. Once you're born, you're on your own.

"Once you're born, you're on your own."

Some of us had a mother and father.

Wouldn't have it any other way.

btk

...and does the baby have any choice of having a mother and a father? By not having a mother and a father, a baby should suffer hunger? Nice Christian attitude.

what I read here are some posters who have everything they need and are not willing to give a little to help some who don't. These are the same people who also preach to us about christian values and the value of life.

None of what was posted here was in the thought or intent. Once again you twist, spin, distort or out and out invent your interpretation or intents. Unfortunately, as usual, none of your quote is even close to accurate.

When you want to espouse the quality of "christian attitude" perhaps a long hard look in the mirror might help you.

And you post also delves into the isolated, by comparison, example to apply to a general condition. Some of you should feel inadequate quoting application of onsey twosey incidents when we are discussing impacts of millions.

You are entitled to your interpretation and opinion, but as requested time and time again....don't try to pass it off as what I said or intended.

btk

And these are the same people who applaud our getting involved in the two longest wars in US history, which costs a trillion dollars. No problem with the cost of unpaid-for wars or the unpaid-for Medicare Part D.

Why is it you on the left are against cleaning up the voting rolls,food stamp programs and other government programs,You call names you change subject and never address the issue.Just what are you afraid of?Could it be you are part of the problems?I would think any sane and normal person would want these government programs to be ran honestly.

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Liberals have it easy because all their propaganda can be situated on bump stickers "Feed the hungry and all those feel good sayings. However it is not accompanied byany real deep thinking.

Histronics aside tell me where in America children are going hungry, other than the occasional parent that has his children tied up in the basement.
Poverty as measured by America still leaves the poor with cars, AC, TV DVD, etc.

The Food Stamp program now provides for 1 of 7 americans. Does the old saw go something like feed a person fish and you will always feed that person. However teach them to fish and..... corny, perhaps

Obama is on a big campaign to increase the Food Stamp program in Texas, Californa North & south Carolina, New York and Ohio. Hmmmm wonder why?

And finally count on liberals always to stop any serious discussion on these programs with either "so you want childen to starve" or then why don't you stop collecting your social security and medicare. And the answer is obvious but liberals can't deal with that fact because it causes them confusion "that does not compute" "that does not compute"