Individual mandate upheld
 

they are saying the "law" was upheld, but I am not sure that is true as yet.

That is what I'm hearing. Sad day in America.

Supreme Court upholds health care laws individual mandate. Chief Justice Roberts votes with liberals.

Justice Roberts stands tall
 

Thank God two of the three branches of our government are functioning well. With the historic affirmation of the Affordable Care Act, our country, as a civilized, caring society takes a huge, courageous step forward. We are showing our concern for each other and the desire to do a better job taking care of each other and our national resources in the future.

Justice Roberts had to know the decision was in his hands and has the intellect and courage to realize that our society must step forward, not backward.

(Good news for BTK also: many more Americans will now be contributing through taxes.)

Justice Roberts put his political beliefs aside, this is obvious since he got sideways with POTUS early in the administration.

Do you know what it will cost someone in your state to obtain insurance through the Medicaid/exchange pool in your state ijusluvit?

I AM STUNNED


:bigbow:SCOTUS

It appears states can bow out.

I'm hearing conflicting reports on that, hdh1470.

Have you studied the clearly projected costs of health care without the Affordable Care Act; the rapidly increasing number who will not have it, and whose costs will be paid by you and me?
Believe me, I could go on and on asking you about the implications of continuing health care as we know it versus solving problems one at a time with the very good beginning structure which is is now provided.

I know you all know what "gut feeling" means.

My gut feeling on this is not good and I would bet that even those spiking the ball right now feel that little twinge also, if they could put their political beliefs aside.

I think this opens a door better left shut!

I get those "hesitating" gut feelings too. Most of the time it's about having to do something which is hard, but right. I think that's the perfect analogy to the action of the Court today.

It is a tax now according to the US Supreme Court though which could open it to an attack if the Republicans gain control of the necessary US Congressional voting blocks this November.

For the action he took on this decision, I would include Chief Justice Roberts in the "profiles in courage" group.

The affordable healthcare act is new and the ramifications are largely unknown. As with everything, there are likely to be unintended consequenses. There are IMO, some very necessary reforms in this massive act, which was, in total, the veritable "horse designed by committee". There will be many changes made and amended as time goes on, and some of the provisions will likely disappear - that is the way things work. It may be struck down if Romney and the republicans win in November, but some of the provisions will pop back up because they are right.

Not A Chance
 

There is no possible chance that the GOP can gain a cloture-proof majority in the Senate. Current polls and projections have them gaining the majority, with 51 seats. That will give them the right to set the legislative agenda, get the committee chairs, and have their leader get most of the soundbites--Lordy, I hope it's someone other than Mitch McConnell. But like the Republicans do now to the Democratic majority, the Democrats can pretty much block any vote the GOP majority would like to put up for a full vote.

I'm afraid we might be looking at another four years of legislative gridlock. Except when it comes to more spending bills!

Right On, Coach!
 

I sure wish the Democrats would stop patting themselves on the back, and the Republicans stop yelling about repealing the whole Act, and get together to design changes to some obviously weak and ill-conceived parts of the legislation.

Of course, what will stand in the way of that will be the partisan hatred each party has for the other. And more importantly, the lobbyists for various clients who want lots of the individual parts kept intact, even though they may weaken and make more expensive the bill as a whole.

Some parts are good.But look what it has done and is doing to working people now.Ask your children that are working how much their Ins payroll deductions have went up.In some cases 60% or more in last 2 yrs.Also ask them to check out of pocket costs those have went up a lot.Our er copay had been $75 a yr last went to $100 this year $250, The costs are hurting people who can least afford it.We will pay more and get less.Example my prostate surgery 3 yrs ago my out of pocket less then 1k.Shoulder out patient surgery 3 months ago more then 3k. And Prostate surgery was more then triple the amount billed to ins. co.My children and yours will never have the life style that all of us have had because we just pile more on them

Didn't Obama and the democrats argue profusely back in 2009 that the mandate was not a tax?

According to the court it is. A massive one at that.

Obama and the libs lie again...

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2009/09/obama-mandate-is-not-a-tax/

If we can afford to give the wealthy two massive tax CUTS - and if we can afford 2 wars - and if we can afford spending billions and billions looking for non existent, imaginary WMD's, then we can afford health care for our OWN people.

:boxing2:

I have been paying Social Security taxes for years with no benefit to me personally. If I die before I will have paid those taxes any never receive any benefit. But the reason it works is that all of us have to participate in the program....

The system is broken mainly because the free markets have failed...the insurance companies want to minimize there risk and therefore maximize profits, US corporations want to unburden themselves of healthcare costs and the result is anyone with health issues cannot get affordable healthcare in the open market. This includes me.....

It has been argued, on this website, that "we" shouldn't have to pay for abortions, birth control pills and illegals. We also should also not have to pay for people who don't have health insurance and then seek services in the nations hospital emergency rooms.

In a little mini-debate this morning one sociologist suggested an unintended result of the Court's decisions today might be the increased size and resolve of militia and other far right radical groups. Their efforts to further polarize and resist government actions could become an increasing problem for the nation. The respondent suggested these efforts might be blunted by the increasing popularity of some of the health care provisions here and on the way.

How short sited and blind some can be. Aside from Obamacare, a precedence been set here.

The federal government can now mandate you buy whatever they say. If you don't, you get taxed.

Surly most people aren't dumb enough to believe it will stop with healthcare.

Imho
 

Why do some of us that have medicare HATE Obamacare!....So far, works pretty good!

I'll bite, what else will we be madated to buy?

... and just remember, it was a Junior Bush appointee as the Chief Justice who decided the individual mandate was a tax! Can't blame the liberals or the Democrats on that - it was one of your own! :boxing2:

That's why libs are such fools. I don't care who appointed him or what party he belongs to.

It was a bad decision.

Unlike Obama worshipers I don't blindly defend anything and everything just because they sit on my side of the isle.

Politicians are rats. All of them.

If they make me buy that broccoli they're talking about I'll pay the tax instead!!

Just before an election in a country that Vice President Biden just yesterday said is in a middle-class depression, The Supreme Court has ruled that ObamaCare is now ObamaTax, and literally the largest tax increase in the history of the world.

The largest tax increase in history in this failed Obama economy.

I would hold back on the cheering if I were you. You might want to think about this.

This November this ObamaCare/ObamaTax is all he's going to be running on. This and the collapsing economy.

The only people that will pay the tax, according to today's decision, are those that fail to get insurance, which hopefully will be a very small number.

Reference please for "the largest tax increase in the history of the world" I have not read the law, perhaps you can tell me what the "tax" penalty is for someone who does not obtain health insurance, how many Americans are projected to be paying that tax, and how that increase government revenue stacks up against such things as the increase in SocSec taxes signed by Reagan. A good place to start might be to look at the experience in Massachusetts where Romneycare has been in effect several years with it's identical individual mandate backed by a tax penalty for failure to comply. How is that working out for the citizens and taxpayers of Massachusetts? I am not arguing whether or not Romneycare has saved money, just interested in resolving the tax increase potential of the ACA.

Now its all the more reason to vote for Romney

I think the post that had"largest tax increase" is a lie and cannot be proven. Not everyone will even pay the tax. Please facts not lies!

Yea, ROMNEYCARE for the nation.

I have a question....simple one at this point.....if someone can help please...

1. How does this affect illegal immigrants who come to the emergency room? Who and how are they paid for ?

2. Can someone explain the "tax" that is imposed on business with 50 or more employees ?

Really not being political.....just trying to figure out how this thing ever gets paid for !!!!

Thanks to whomever

I know people who don't have health insurance NOW and can't afford the $270 per person/per month to get the cheapest insurance available in the state of Florida's Medicaid/mandated state pool. That $270 comes with a $2000 deductible, a $500 deductible for prescriptions, limited doctors who participate and other restrictions.

What part of that does this solve?

What is offered now has nothing to do with what will be available in 2014 when the law takes effect.

The mandate is not a "tax" within the meaning of the Anti-Injunction Act, according to the SCOTUS Blog.


http://www.scotusblog.com/2012/06/so...idual-mandate/

In addition to the questions already I cannot find answers, non political at least to, allow me to add this one.....this is from 2010 but to my knowledge this is still part of the bill.....can someone expound a bit...

"If you are an undocumented immigrant you will not be subject to the individual insurance mandate and you will not be fined if you fail to purchase health insurance, nor will you be allowed to enroll in Medicaid or buy insurance in the health insurance exchange, says Herrick.

However, hospital emergency rooms will not be able to deny you health care if you are in need. What makes this surprising is that the most common argument for an individual mandate is that the uninsured should have to contribute to their own health care instead of getting it for free in the emergency room. This is why U.S. citizens will be required to pay hefty fines if they do not obtain insurance. If you are here illegally, however, you get to escape that penalty, says Herrick. "

How Do Illegal Immigrants Fare Under ObamaCare?

What will be offered in 2014, janmcn? Will it be cheaper and better? I don't see how that would be possible.

Why not? What do you see happening?