November
 

VOTE FOR ROMNEY VOTE FOR ROMNEY VOTE FOR ROMNEY VOTE FOR ROMNEY VOTE FOR ROMNEY VOTE FOR ROMNEY VOTE FOR ROMNEY VOTE FOR ROMNEY It's the only way out of this mess

What "mess" you referring to?

It's at least a chance. I have no faith in Establishment Republicans to do what they need to do. You know the Tea Party Coalition candidates will come through on their votes, but you can never count on the "McCains" to do what right once they're seated in the big room.

The one chance this country has is to gain both houses and the Presidency. Then they need to act swiftly before the mid-terms in scaling back all the "mess" you're speaking of.

Will they stay together and do this?

It's the only hope this country has.

Got pom poms? Jeezers.

I dont know Rich...lets assume it is Romney and he has both houses of congress. I dont want him to repeal the healthcare act , but I want it severely reworked to actually cut health costs because that has to be done.

I think we need some serious tax reform also......and the almight jobs.

These alone are going to take lots of time. I think on those three items he will even get Democratic support, because despite all the glee being shown, there are a slew of Democrats who despise the health bill in its format right now....who strongly feel the tax code needs revised and would gladly work on any jobs bill forwarded.

These 3 things would go a long way to getting this country fixed.

Also, if Romney does get elected he must insure that he stays in constant communications with both parties and both houses. This President did not and does not.....even his own party talks in private about it thus he will never be able to bring us together. Romney has to open and above board with both parties from the beginning. I just recently read or reread how many times Obama invited heads to the WH, nodded his head and said..ok...and nobody of either party ever heard from him again. THAT you cannot do.

I think that if most "thinking" people really examine their gut feelings this is what they think when it is boiled down to it's basic elements.
Oh sure there are those on the left that for what ever reason think that Obama is the saviour of the earth and those on the right that think he is the death of America.

I think a politician is a politician and does what ever keeps them in the money. I know our local Rep. congressman and have known him for almost thirty years and he would do what ever make him rich and so would any dem.
If you think they are there for you, you are the idiot!
I think it is reflected in unions when people know in their heart that it can't go on like this but they have to be for it because it hits them in their bank account.
There are always going to be those people that think that the money that people earn belongs to everybody and they will always be for people like Obama.
We are a capitalistic economy and we need the economy to work and Obama's way just does not work. It is just that simple.
Sure we want everybody to have all they need but many of those people are not willing to to do what it takes to get those things and need an Obama to get it for them. That is not what our country was built on.

I have to disagree about the humongous health care legislation that improperly was rewritten by InJustice Roberts to have an appearance of constitutionality. Anything this massive always has unforeseen consequences that on top of the "foreseen" consequences make it much to dangerous to stand in my opinion. It must be repealed, on Constitutional grounds alone.

Health care problems need to be addressed and should be done incrementally. It's much easier to adjust solutions that way instead of this monstrosity that no one fully has a handle on.

I'm sure Romney is going to be immensely more open to dealing with Democrats than Obama was in even talking with Republicans. I'm not sure that's a good thing. We always get screwed. Democrats don't compromise. They don't give ground. We can learn something from them on that score.

We built this country on rock and roll!

And Republicans, the party of no, do compromise? Really? Can you compromise when your whole strategy is to see that Obama is a one term President. Give me a break. :yuck:

Apparently a lot of posters on this forum support ending Medicare as we know it and replacing it with a voucher system, while ending the ACA which would eliminate the pre-existing condition protection. Must be a hearty stock to not have to worry about pre-existing conditions.

Also, most posters must favor Mitt Romney's five trillion dollar tax cuts over the next decade for millionaires and billionaires, even though he has yet to articulate how they will be paid for.

Those are the same people who say,"...don't take away MY Medicare, I paid for it over fifty years!" or "...don't take away MY VA health benefits, I'm a vet!", or "...cut taxes, we'll grow our way back to a balanced budget", or "...all we need to do is eliminate waste and fraud to fix our fiscal problems". Those aren't the deepest thinkers we have on this forum.

They're also the same people who have never really taken the time to study how financially devastating a voucher system would be to tens of millions of Americans, and how detrimental it would be to the overall health of the nation.

If it wasn't so sad and alarming, it would be laughable.

Along with Obama, you have Michelle. Don't laugh, as time grows closer, you will see her out there stumping more and more. Don't forget, she's a hard core attorney.

This election will be so close that you might as well have a pajama party and serve breakfast!

I would love to know how the last two posters here (VK and JANMCN) arrived at this subject from the thread and also would love for them to validate their claims about folks on this forum believe ????? If there was a survey, I missed it, and if not, I rescind any right you think you may have to speak for me !!!

The comments are just twitter remarks used on all these threads to change any subject to a criticism of Romney, et al Very bad style in my opinion.

Do not mind discussing anything but you two are in left field as compared to this thread and it is becoming a common thing on here.

You're Right, Bucco
 

i'm not aware of any survey. What I said was based on what people post here. I've made the assumption that what they write is some indication of what they think, the balance and depth of their thinking and how that leads to what they choose to post.

One would assume, on a thread started "vote for Romney", that posters supporting Romney would support his positions. Why else would anyone "vote for Romney"?

that leaves an even bigger question then.....why did anybody vote for Obama in the first place?

Not being combative or sarcastic. Given the need for many to haze a business man like Romney who is more of a known entity than Obama at a like period in his campaign.....what is it that a total unknown did to earn your vote??

btk

PS I suppose this question could/should be a separate thread.....if anybody even answers.

If you remember the democratic primary, President Obama was the only one (along with Dennis Kucinich) who thought the Iraq war was a "dumb" war. He promised to end the war, which he did. He promised to get Bin Laden, which he did. He promised to pass a healthcare bill, which is something that had been tried for 100 years, and he did. He promised to end "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" which he did. He promised to fight for the American people, which he did. He promised us hope and change.

That optimism is not apparent in the Mitt Romney campaign. All we hear are the dour consequences of re-electing Obama.

I have a opinion on that !!! The media, plain and simple.

Never have we had a man so NON qualified for the position. Never have we had a man with a complete vacancy of experience. Never have we had a man who has never been in a leadership position. Never have we had a man with such a questionable past ?

I could go on but you get the point.

He is/was a great orator. He can turn a phrase. He became "the thing to do" in this country an our media simply fawned over him instead of doing what they are supposed to do...journalism. He was smart, sort of glib and folks like Chris Mathews forgot completely what journalism is all about.

This does not mean that I think McCain would have been great at all....just that a man was elected to be the most powerful man in the world with NO qualifications except for being smart and able to turn a phrase...THAT IS IT.

I just completed the book CONKRITE and thus it is even more obvious to me that journalism per se does not exist any longer. The election of 2008 was such a fiasco. He even had the middle east and Europe swooning over his words...but look at how they feel about him now.

He has always been about his words and what he says......never agrees with what he does. He did not even serve in office as a senator except in the title, as his entire life has been about running for office.

MEDIA...MEDIA...MEDIA...that is what it was all about and frankly it still is.

Many of us have witness the disasterous results of of an individual promoted beyond his/her skill sets )Peter Principle). The disastrous results are usually unknown in the bginning. It takes time for these ill conceived programs and policies to do their damage. In the meantime the Peter Principled manager believes he/she is advant garde....and then the house of cards begin to fall.

Romney right now is better prepared to lead this nation than Obma who has served one term. Obama did not even have the intelligence to learn from his mistakes . Obama has always been in the telling mode and never in the listening/learning mode.

Having said that my focus for the upcoming November elections is going to be on the re-set for Congress because it may not matter who is president if Congress moves from more liberal to more moderate to conservative.

There was nobody more qualified to be president than Richard Nixon, having served as VP and in congress, and we all know how that worked out.

It is shocking that certain posters on here watch and quote Chris Matthews. He despises Mitt Romney and lets it be known.

If you remember the democratic primary, President Obama was the only one (along with Dennis Kucinich) who thought the Iraq war was a "dumb" war.
He promised to end the war, which he did.
on a time table established before he became POTUS. Ask the service people who came home or better yet ask the ones still there if that war is ended. The media just does not report on what is still going on there.

He promised to get Bin Laden, which he did.
initiatives that were already underway before he became Potus. It just happened on his watch, hence he gets the credit for what the military started, pursued and finished.



He promised to pass a healthcare bill, which is something that had been tried for 100 years, and he did.
that he did. With no known costs and impacts on the financial s. Which was passed by lemmings who did not know what was in the bill. Which is still floundering because it was unpopular with the majority when he rammed it through. It was proven to be unpopular again during the 2010 elections. And it will be proven just as unpopular in the 2012 election.

He promised to end "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" which he did.
Yawn!!!!


He promised to fight for the American people, which he did.
that is an urban legend parroted by his supporters. It is well known what ever Obama does is all about him.

He promised us hope and change.
And the hope continues to fade as there has ONLY been business as usual enhanced by the Chicago style, let's make a deal politics.

None of the above is argumentative. Just how Obama is viewed by an experienced executive evaluator from the private sector in which Obama would not have made a full year in the job.

btk

Dear Experienced Executive Evaluator,

Please list Mitt Romney's campaign promises as I have a hard time following him.

To be a leader, one must inspire people, and Romney is not very inspirational.

However to led by someone who wants to limit my liberty is not inspirational either.
I don't want government to control every corner of my life as Obama wants government to do.
It seems that you want to be led through life. Not me!

Well, we can be inspired by different things I'm thinking. What inspires me is the idea of getting this decidedly unAmerican President out of the people's house and putting in one who actually loves this country and promises to try to bring it back on a path to it's former prosperity.

There's an inspirational thought for ya.

VOTE FOR ROMNEY VOTE FOR ROMNEY VOTE FOR ROMNEY VOTE FOR ROMNEY VOTE FOR ROMNEY VOTE FOR ROMNEY VOTE FOR ROMNEY VOTE FOR ROMNEY It's the smart thing to do!

Kinda what I was thinking.

"Dear Experienced Executive Evaluator,"

the above may make someone feel better, however inaccurate as you know the name is btk.

I did provide that my background was rescuing businesses that were in trouble and yes most of the time it was the executives responsible that were the major cause of not doing what was required to keep or make the business deliver what was expected.

Provided ONLY to underscore the basis for which and or how I look at Obama. NOTHING MORE!!!

I'll be happy to evaluate Romney based on his performance against his promises just as I did for Obama, hence we will just have to wait until he is elected POTUS. Then like I did for Obama, I will reserve judgement until he makes his first State of the Union address (one year of office holding)....offering my observation/opinion/measurement of him just like I did for Obama.

And just like I did when I was working, I did not need to know whether the person being evaluated was an R or D or what religion or race. Just how they do or most often do not do the job.

I know the above is difficult for partisan loyalists who back their man/party NO MATTER WHAT, to understand!!!

btk

Dear BTK

You are eager to debate what promises President Obama campaigned on in 2008, but you are unable or unwilling to debate what promises Mitt Romney is campaigning on until after he is elected? For those of us having a hard time following Romney's platform, please list his campaign promises. Personally, I would rather know where he stands on the issues before the election, not after the election. How will we know what promises he kept, if we don't know what those promises are?

I consider the point counter point 3 months before the election nothing more than that...point/counter point.

For me the reasonable place to start is at the convention when each candidate will be espousing that which they are going to do to retain/gain/win delegates.

When both candidates start to talk about what they will do for we the people instead of about each other maybe then we will get a better perspective.

For me, prior to the convention is just partisan noise from both candidates.

We can all pass judgement on what we hear and see each day and prior to the convention there will be too much flip flopping to put too much stock into what either say.

Also for me at this point what is more important is their respective backgrounds and accomplishments. Obama did not measure up to the kind of candidate I would ever support (either party) because of his obscure and non commital back ground in the senate and before.

There just was not enough information available about who Obama was and what his claims to fame were prior to and after the election continuing to the present.

All of what is/was Romney up to his becoming governor and what he did as governor along with his personal life that we know of plus his family life with his parents are all contributors to a positive view of him as a candidate.

Right or wrong that is my position.

We all know that none of the candidates were ever fully prepared to know what it is/was they could not do or get done in the cronyism, business as usual politics in Washington.....so readily demonstrated by the likes of Rangle type politics.

Let me give a real simple example of creating an initiative and making a commitment and then doing something to make it happen....Kennedy when he stated what we were going to do as a nation to get a man on the moon. That was not just talk.

btk

VK, you continue to assign beliefs to people and assert your views of Romney's plans that are not fact based. After you asserted several times that Romney would appoint John Bolton as Secretary of State, I pointed you to the list of his foreign policy advisors and it did not include John Bolton. You are now supporting the assertion that Romney will replace Medicare with a voucher system. Once again, untrue. Romney's proposals for Medicare are spelled out here: Medicare

Please note that he wishes to introduce a voucher system, but in parallel with existing Medicare. You may wish to take the time to go to mittromney.com and find outgo where he stands on the issues rather than assuming what other sources say he believes or plans to do.

btk writes, "All of what is/was Romney up to his becoming governor and what he did as governor along with his personal life that we know of plus his family life with his parents are all contributors to a positive view of him as a candidate."

Well, he created RomneyCare in Massachusetts with a personal mandate to buy it.

You have a problem with Pres. Obama's family? He has done an outstanding job for someone that came from a mixed marriage and broken home to graduate from Harvard Law School without having a silver spoon in his mouth from birth. His wife and daughters are marvelous, too. Mrs. Obama is an excellent attorney and advocate for healthy eating.

Post something worthwhile instead of your snippets.

Just for the record, Obama went to an exclusive private school in Hawaii. Michelle may be an excellent attorney, but for some reason she gave up her law license. Nobody seems to know why.

"Post something worthwhile instead of your snippets."

As usual if you do not see what you agree with the response is derogatory.

You can always make use of the block feature of the forum.

I did not say anything about having a problem with Obama's family. As usual you say what you want to interpret presenting the regurgitation as the original posters intent. That comment wasn't mine and not what I intended.

As stated many times before you are entitled to your opinion, but not posting your interpretation of my post and representing it as what I said or intended. Disagree, dislike, debate or what ever but please refrain from twisting my comments to suit your message(s).
Thanx!

btk

Hi buggyone: I am surprised regarding the accolades you bestow upon Obama. As a Human Resources Director you must have read thousands of resumes' and interviewed hundreds and hundreds of applicants. So again I find it surprising that given Obama's background, associations, etc that you would find Obama qualified,sitable for the office of President

From my experiences as an HRD his resume' would have been canned. Obama lacked any real experience. The position he did hold required creating divisions instead of uniting and his associations were so extreme that his politics would not fit moderate America.

Instead of me doing a comparison why don't you sit down and review Obama's background against Romney's as you wouild have done in the day and then chose the applicant you find more suitable to fill the office of the President.

Did you apply the same criteria when you voted for Sarah Palin in 2008? What on her resume' jumped out at you? Was it that she was president of the PTA, or mayor of a town of 8000, or her attending six colleges to receive her journalism degree?

You can't rule out her being a half-governor of a state with a smaller population than Orlando. :wave:

Although I think she may have been over her head when it came to being VP or maybe Pres. she had more experience than Obama even if you only count her half term.
Somehow the left seems to always have a blind eye, no excuse me, a sight impaired vision of Obama.
Somehow him not doing anything qualified him to be POTUS!
Go figure.

Are we talking about the same Sarah Palin? The one who doesn't know why there are two Koreas? The one who couldn't find Germany on the map? The one who her handlers said "knows nothing"? That Sarah Palin?

Yep! Sad, isn't it that your savior of the earth is less qualified than her!!

But at least Obama has been to all 54 states!

And yes, yes I know He got OSB! Good thing he did not screw that pre-planned mission up.

Wow,some of you are great at rewriting history. Preplanned to get binLaden? Are you kidding me? To compare the President to Palin and somehow say that Palin was more qualified is really dumb,dumb,dumb. It's the same posters over and over rewriting,inventing,making up stuff. Then one of you has the audacity to claim the Dems don't compromise,that's just a lie. Has a republican ever broke ranks in a vote? Oh I forgot their sole purpose is to make sure Obama does not get a 2nd term not to discuss issues.