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Warren Kiefer 09-21-2013 08:23 PM
Highway Robbery
 
Almost every time I travel thru the 20 MPH school zone area on route 466, I see a county deputy using radar. I know that in certain areas, slow school zones protect the children, but at this particular school zone, I have never seen a child crossing or even near the 466 highway in all the years since the schools were built. Children load and unload quite a distance from the highway. Is this 20 MPH school zone really ncessary or is it just a cash cow for the county as they write a lot of tickets in that location.

Barefoot 09-21-2013 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer (Post 750320)
Almost every time I travel thru the 20 MPH school zone area on route 466, I see a county deputy using radar. I know that in certain areas, slow school zones protect the children, but at this particular school zone, I have never seen a child crossing or even near the 466 highway in all the years since the schools were built. Children load and unload quite a distance from the highway. Is this 20 MPH school zone really ncessary or is it just a cash cow for the county as they write a lot of tickets in that location.
We live in that area and I've often seen kids at the Bellvedere Library, and I've seen them walking through the tunnel to get to Southern Trace Plaza. I presume they cross CR 466 as well. It's a School Zone ..... no reason to speed when the lights are flashing!

bkcunningham1 09-21-2013 08:37 PM
I have been there many, many times in the afternoon when school is letting out. I see lots of high school-aged kids crossing 466 on foot. Also, the lower speed limit and designated school zone helps reduce accidents with the hundreds of extra vehicles in the area before and after school. There are no buses at The Villages Charter Schools so there are many extra vehicles in the area of the school complex. It is a reminder to slow down and drive safely.

quirky3 09-21-2013 08:45 PM
If you think the posted speed limit is inapproporiate, you can go through normal channels to try to get it changed. In the meantime, people who choose to exceed the posted limit accept the risk of being fined. No "highway robbery" involved.

twinklesweep 09-21-2013 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer (Post 750320)
Almost every time I travel thru the 20 MPH school zone area on route 466, I see a county deputy using radar. I know that in certain areas, slow school zones protect the children, but at this particular school zone, I have never seen a child crossing or even near the 466 highway in all the years since the schools were built. Children load and unload quite a distance from the highway. Is this 20 MPH school zone really ncessary or is it just a cash cow for the county as they write a lot of tickets in that location.
From your posting, I can't tell how much time you spend monitoring the pedestrian traffic (including schoolchildren) across CR-466 near the high school and the library; if it's about the same amount of time as the rest of us, then it's certainly possible that YOU "have never seen a child crossing or even near the 466 highway in all the years since the schools were built," but this doesn't mean that it doesn't happen—and happen a lot!

Meantime, as far as a "cash cow" is concerned, there is no cash cow for whatever governmental agency is responsible for enforcing the speed limit restrictions, so long as we obey the speed limit! Kind of a simple solution, wouldn't you say? I remember years ago reading one person's posting on the subject in which she swore that she was specifically targeted as a snowbird (that is, based on the out-of-state tags on her vehicle). Never once did she consider the possibility that SHE was in any way responsible for that ticket by virtue of her choosing to speed through that school zone....

Bogie Shooter 09-21-2013 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer (Post 750320)
Almost every time I travel thru the 20 MPH school zone area on route 466, I see a county deputy using radar. I know that in certain areas, slow school zones protect the children, but at this particular school zone, I have never seen a child crossing or even near the 466 highway in all the years since the schools were built. Children load and unload quite a distance from the highway. Is this 20 MPH school zone really ncessary or is it just a cash cow for the county as they write a lot of tickets in that location.
What is a "lot of tickets"?

billethkid 09-21-2013 09:42 PM
there are always kids walking along the area of the schools....a school ZONE is a school ZONE.......slow down and enjoy the scenery.

btk

DougB 09-21-2013 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer (Post 750320)
Almost every time I travel thru the 20 MPH school zone area on route 466, I see a county deputy using radar. I know that in certain areas, slow school zones protect the children, but at this particular school zone, I have never seen a child crossing or even near the 466 highway in all the years since the schools were built. Children load and unload quite a distance from the highway. Is this 20 MPH school zone really ncessary or is it just a cash cow for the county as they write a lot of tickets in that location.
If even one child crosses 466 in the area you are referring, then yes the 20 MPH zone is necessary. They can't write a ticket if you stay under the speed limit.

buggyone 09-21-2013 10:06 PM
I wonder if the OP got handed one of the speeding tickets in the school zone?

Personally, I slow down to the 20 mph. Whole lot cheaper to slow down and take a few extra minutes than to pay that speeding in a school zone ticket.

graciegirl 09-22-2013 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by twinklesweep (Post 750335)
From your posting, I can't tell how much time you spend monitoring the pedestrian traffic (including schoolchildren) across CR-466 near the high school and the library; if it's about the same amount of time as the rest of us, then it's certainly possible that YOU "have never seen a child crossing or even near the 466 highway in all the years since the schools were built," but this doesn't mean that it doesn't happen—and happen a lot!

Meantime, as far as a "cash cow" is concerned, there is no cash cow for whatever governmental agency is responsible for enforcing the speed limit restrictions, so long as we obey the speed limit! Kind of a simple solution, wouldn't you say? I remember years ago reading one person's posting on the subject in which she swore that she was specifically targeted as a snowbird (that is, based on the out-of-state tags on her vehicle). Never once did she consider the possibility that SHE was in any way responsible for that ticket by virtue of her choosing to speed through that school zone....
I agree with Twinklesweep.

I have lived to see every tenet I have ever believed in questioned.

It is a school zone. Kids. Slow down. Simple. Easy peasy. Chill.

Your headers are attention getting, I'll give you that.

redwitch 09-22-2013 04:37 AM
Simple solution -- go down Wedgewood and skip 466 during school zone hours if it's that much of an issue to you.

BobnBev 09-22-2013 05:29 AM
Kudos to the Deputy writing the tickets. 20 MPH MEANS
20 MPH. Not 22 or 25. He just might have saved a kids life today.:thumbup:

PaPaLarry 09-22-2013 06:26 AM
I don't believe this is a "cash cow" per say. I myself, have seen children crossing 466, but also keep in mind, that Umpteen cars come and go from the school area, (with children in them) daily, and we need to protect and make sure safety is what we are looking at. I have no problem, driving 20 miles per hour (for the short stretch) if this is what it takes to protect our children.

butterfly sue 09-22-2013 06:32 AM
Same old story - Why the rush? The school zone doesn't last but a few blocks.

janmcn 09-22-2013 06:56 AM
It is the state law in Florida and most every state in the country.

karostay 09-22-2013 07:51 AM
Wish the Villages were treated as a school zone.

hoganth 09-22-2013 08:23 AM
I myself have seen children present in that school zone area, also have seen occasional speeders who either ignore the flashing lights or just not paying attention.

nitehawk 09-22-2013 08:26 AM
Whats the hurry we are retired --- do 20 mph - no matter where you are --- do 5 mph on golf course. or walk very very slow

keithwand 09-22-2013 08:48 AM
Could be worse. In Winter Park, FL the school zone is 15.
My wife got a ticket for doing 20 and it was 5P!

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 09-22-2013 08:56 AM
I'm always amazed by all these people that see the police all over the place with radar. I drive quite a bit around here and I can't remember the last time I saw a law enforcement officer with a radar gun.
I'm sure that they are out there occasionally, but I haven't seen them. Usually communities have police go to spots with radar guns because there have been several accidents or they have received complaints from residents of the area that people are speeding. They don't pick these sites randomly.

DonH57 09-22-2013 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 750472)
I'm always amazed by all these people that see the police all over the place with radar. I drive quite a bit around here and I can't remember the last time I saw a law enforcement officer with a radar gun.
I'm sure that they are out there occasionally, but I haven't seen them. Usually communities have police go to spots with radar guns because there have been several accidents or they have received complaints from residents of the area that people are speeding. They don't pick these sites randomly.
I agree. I've never see all these radar guns out either. More than likely they have areas they deem neccessary to hit and I believe strongly school zones should be of high priority. I can think of a couple areas they should hit in TV. I really don't understand what the hurry is.

golf2140 09-22-2013 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer (Post 750320)
Almost every time I travel thru the 20 MPH school zone area on route 466, I see a county deputy using radar. I know that in certain areas, slow school zones protect the children, but at this particular school zone, I have never seen a child crossing or even near the 466 highway in all the years since the schools were built. Children load and unload quite a distance from the highway. Is this 20 MPH school zone really ncessary or is it just a cash cow for the county as they write a lot of tickets in that location.
Warren, how about a happy post some day??????

Happydaz 09-22-2013 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 750346)
What is a "lot of tickets"?
"A lot of tickets" is when you get one.

Warren Kiefer 09-22-2013 12:58 PM
I concede
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by twinklesweep (Post 750335)
From your posting, I can't tell how much time you spend monitoring the pedestrian traffic (including schoolchildren) across CR-466 near the high school and the library; if it's about the same amount of time as the rest of us, then it's certainly possible that YOU "have never seen a child crossing or even near the 466 highway in all the years since the schools were built," but this doesn't mean that it doesn't happen—and happen a lot!

Meantime, as far as a "cash cow" is concerned, there is no cash cow for whatever governmental agency is responsible for enforcing the speed limit restrictions, so long as we obey the speed limit! Kind of a simple solution, wouldn't you say? I remember years ago reading one person's posting on the subject in which she swore that she was specifically targeted as a snowbird (that is, based on the out-of-state tags on her vehicle). Never once did she consider the possibility that SHE was in any way responsible for that ticket by virtue of her choosing to speed through that school zone....
I accept your answer about the children, but the majority of those times when I pass thru the school zones is when school is beginning and the children are being dropped off at the school entrance. I do have to stand by my words, I personally have never seen a child in the vicinity of the highway.

Warren Kiefer 09-22-2013 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 750346)
What is a "lot of tickets"?
Your question is similiar to "how high is the sky" A "lot" to me means that every time I pass the school zones, it seems someone is being pulled over. Perhaps in the afternoon when school dismisses there would be children present near the highway, but at the beginning of school. I would challenge you to observe any children at all near the highway, but nevertheless the county deputies are out there with their radar.

Warren Kiefer 09-22-2013 01:11 PM
Not True
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 750349)
there are always kids walking along the area of the schools....a school ZONE is a school ZONE.......slow down and enjoy the scenery.

btk
Your statement is not valid, If you diagree, I hope you will go to the school zones in the morning as school begins and report back how many children you saw within 100 feet of the highway. Kid, I will wait on your response.

Bogie Shooter 09-22-2013 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer (Post 750605)
Your question is similiar to "how high is the sky" A "lot" to me means that every time I pass the school zones, it seems someone is being pulled over. Perhaps in the afternoon when school dismisses there would be children present near the highway, but at the beginning of school. I would challenge you to observe any children at all near the highway, but nevertheless the county deputies are out there with their radar.
No need to challenge me...............you just said "a lot" and I wanted to know what that meant to you.

Warren Kiefer 09-22-2013 01:23 PM
cash cows don't give milk
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by twinklesweep (Post 750335)
From your posting, I can't tell how much time you spend monitoring the pedestrian traffic (including schoolchildren) across CR-466 near the high school and the library; if it's about the same amount of time as the rest of us, then it's certainly possible that YOU "have never seen a child crossing or even near the 466 highway in all the years since the schools were built," but this doesn't mean that it doesn't happen—and happen a lot!

Meantime, as far as a "cash cow" is concerned, there is no cash cow for whatever governmental agency is responsible for enforcing the speed limit restrictions, so long as we obey the speed limit! Kind of a simple solution, wouldn't you say? I remember years ago reading one person's posting on the subject in which she swore that she was specifically targeted as a snowbird (that is, based on the out-of-state tags on her vehicle). Never once did she consider the possibility that SHE was in any way responsible for that ticket by virtue of her choosing to speed through that school zone....
Your post is well written but contains one minor mistake. Some counties do create "cash cows" in the form of speed traps. In North Central Florida a small town named WALDO created a cash cow speed trap that wat so outragous that the State of Florida erected warning signs that specifically warned of "speed trap'.. The tickets even being written today are the town's main source of revenue. Anyway, it just doesn't seem right that after it appears that school has began, the deputies are on the site stillo using radar.

DougB 09-22-2013 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer (Post 750605)
Your question is similiar to "how high is the sky" ........
the point of this question is that it depends on what you define as "sky"

if it's wherever there's air, then there are mines like the East Rand mine that are roughly 10,000 ft deep. So the answer would be -10,000 ft. maybe less.

if sky = atmosphere, then it's maximum height is the upper limit of the upper atmosphere (the exosphere), then the answer would be "between 10,000 feet below sea level and less than 6215 miles above sea level".

if it's what you can see when you look up, it's less than the distance from the earth to the edge of the universe = 46.5 billion light years.

can you touch the sky? yes .
Can you kiss the sky? Only Jimi can do that.


Your turn. What is "a lot"?

Warren Kiefer 09-22-2013 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 750392)
Simple solution -- go down Wedgewood and skip 466 during school zone hours if it's that much of an issue to you.
You seem to have missed the point once again. The question has little to do with me personally. It has to do with school zones when children are not present.

Warren Kiefer 09-22-2013 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by karostay (Post 750438)
Wish the Villages were treated as a school zone.
I have a 15 MPH speed limit on my street.

Warren Kiefer 09-22-2013 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 750472)
I'm always amazed by all these people that see the police all over the place with radar. I drive quite a bit around here and I can't remember the last time I saw a law enforcement officer with a radar gun.
I'm sure that they are out there occasionally, but I haven't seen them. Usually communities have police go to spots with radar guns because there have been several accidents or they have received complaints from residents of the area that people are speeding. They don't pick these sites randomly.
You're kidding, right ??? Just in the past three days I have seen radar at the school zones and twice on Beuna Vista. You mut leave the house to make these observances.

bkcunningham1 09-22-2013 01:32 PM
I may see your point, Warren Kiefer. Perhaps it would be better if the school zone had the flashing lights that enacts the speed limit during specific times. Do you think that perhaps it would be better than just having a posted 20 mph "school zone" speed limit when school is no in session or when they aren't dismissing or admitting students? I see that in many locations. Isn't there a flashing sign like that on Rolling Acres for the Lady Lake Elementary School? Plus, there are police officers directing traffic on Rolling Acres.

Warren Kiefer 09-22-2013 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DonH57 (Post 750487)
I agree. I've never see all these radar guns out either. More than likely they have areas they deem neccessary to hit and I believe strongly school zones should be of high priority. I can think of a couple areas they should hit in TV. I really don't understand what the hurry is.
The radar is not in the form of "radar guns" it is a dash mounted devise that can be operating all the time from any patrol car.

Warren Kiefer 09-22-2013 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by golf2140 (Post 750508)
Warren, how about a happy post some day??????
It is nearly impossible to get a conversation on happy postings. For example; What if I submitted a posting regarding the outstanding golf game I had last week, or that I won $20 for closest to the pin. You get the drift ???:BigApplause::BigApplause::BigApplause::BigAppl ause::BigApplause:

Warren Kiefer 09-22-2013 01:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 750609)
No need to challenge me...............you just said "a lot" and I wanted to know what that meant to you.
How about 13, is that a good answer.:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Warren Kiefer 09-22-2013 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by DougB (Post 750621)
the point of this question is that it depends on what you define as "sky"

if it's wherever there's air, then there are mines like the East Rand mine that are roughly 10,000 ft deep. So the answer would be -10,000 ft. maybe less.

if sky = atmosphere, then it's maximum height is the upper limit of the upper atmosphere (the exosphere), then the answer would be "between 10,000 feet below sea level and less than 6215 miles above sea level".

if it's what you can see when you look up, it's less than the distance from the earth to the edge of the universe = 46.5 billion light years.

can you touch the sky? yes .
Can you kiss the sky? Only Jimi can do that.


Your turn. What is "a lot"?

You are one really funny Dude. I love it !!!!!:BigApplause::BigApplause::BigApplause:

Warren Kiefer 09-22-2013 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer (Post 750637)
You are one really funny Dude. I love it !!!!!:BigApplause::BigApplause::BigApplause:
I might add that a lot can mean many different things, A single stone in your shoe is a lot,; a zillion stars in the sky, still a lot ;two pokes in the eye, still a lot, ; ten bee stings, still a lot,; a hundred bee stings really a lot, falling down six stairs , still a lot,; falling down twenty stairs, the same, a lot : LOL

Warren Kiefer 09-22-2013 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by bkcunningham1 (Post 750629)
I may see your point, Warren Kiefer. Perhaps it would be better if the school zone had the flashing lights that enacts the speed limit during specific times. Do you think that perhaps it would be better than just having a posted 20 mph "school zone" speed limit when school is no in session or when they aren't dismissing or admitting students? I see that in many locations. Isn't there a flashing sign like that on Rolling Acres for the Lady Lake Elementary School? Plus, there are police officers directing traffic on Rolling Acres.
Thanks Heavens for someone who agrees even a little. My final thought is : I like what some communities do. They have county deputies get their butts out of their cars, and stand in the roadway in front of the schools as they direct and slow traffic. Doesn't this sound better than having flashing lights and :BigApplause::BigApplause::BigApplause:a couple of deputies sitting in their cars????? I truly believe this system is much more effective.

DonH57 09-22-2013 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer (Post 750630)
The radar is not in the form of "radar guns" it is a dash mounted devise that can be operating all the time from any patrol car.
Thanks for the update on the equipment used by SCSO. Next time I'll know to ignore the deputy pointing that boxy looking thing at me on morse blvd. I foolishly rechecked my speed too. What a dumbass I was.


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