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Lets have an honest, unemotional discussion about Hillary being our next prez.
I will not vote for her. My guess is that she is likely to be our next president.
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Is that subject line even remotely possible? Maybe someone could explain why they'd want what you are suggesting to happen. Those who'd vote for MORE of what the Clinton's have to offer must have short memory syndrome! Just say NO! to more of the Same Old, Same Old. When it comes to political commentary, I agree with VK! :bigthumbsup:
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Among Current Candidates, She Doesn't Meet The Requirements...
...that I recently adopted for a candidate for any federal office to get my vote. Those requirements were...
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While Hillary has only held elected office for a couple of years, she's been part of the Washington infrastructure for more than a decade, by my count. Disqualified for my vote. Similarly, if we consider that she was part of the Clinton administration, she'll be running for a fourth term in office if she runs for President. Disqualified for my vote. I'm hoping for a race between candidates like Obama and Bloomberg, Romney or Giluliani. None of them has ever been elected to federal office. Maybe they'd actually get something done in Washington rather than just spending all their time figuring out what their "base" wants and trying to get elected to a second term. |
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Hillary would not be my first choice, but if she is nominated--depending who she runs against, she may have my vote. I agree with her on many issues. My first choice would be Barack Obama--that is at this moment in time.
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Don' even get me started on the reasons Hillary and Obama would be horrible Leaders :cus: Any candidate who thinks we should "open discussion" with a terrorist and alienate our allies, to me is disastrous. Trust me I don't want to be a Muslim by force (my knees are bad) :bow: Please folks get real :chillout: Handie |
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How about a legitimate third party comprised of Blue Dog Democrats and Conservative Republicans? The two party system would be OK if we really did have two parties. What we have now is one big happy family of cousins who fight too much among themselves. They don't care what the neighbors (citizens) think; they just want to get their share of the pie. Our bridges and roads are crumbling and our borders are porous. Why? because our taxes are being used to rebuild other countries and our National Guard troops are guarding other nations. We live in a world that is so small now that isolation is NOT the answer. But it's HIGH time that other nations do their fair share along with Great Britain and the United States.
Not familiar with the Blue Dogs? Check out the website at www.house.gov/ross/BlueDogs/ Oh, and while you're there at the website check out how much YOU owe in our National budget deficit. Isn't it time to ask Congress to give us back the blank check we mistakenly gave to them? |
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Well I've been embroiled in some blood boiling give and take on this thread, so I'll just add an additional two cents of my opinion. I would like to see both sides of the congress kicked out and sent home. This will surprise some of the readers. The current crop of politicos on both sides have only one objective and that's to get reelected. I believe this is at the root of the illegal immigration problem. Both sides are afraid of alienating the hispanic vote and will do nothing about the border because it might cost them some votes. Another pet peeve is the politician that changes his/her stripes because of the polls. There are some republicans who originally backed Bush and now that the media has us believing that's an unpopular stance, they switch their stance. I feel strongly that you either stand on principal or you don't. You don't check which way the wind is blowing and fly with the breeze. These people are on both sides of the aisle and they sicken me. I think Joe Lieberman stands tall in congress. He holds his principals and doesn't waver. The current crop of what I consider failures at what they were (I should say should have been) elected for politicize everything. Today, they're politicizing the bridge collapse in Minnesota. How disgusting. We're in a war that threatens us like no other war in our lifetimes, and the leader of the senate states the war is lost. Washington is a mess. Where is a politician who has the country's interst at heart? Can anyone name one? I think and I repeat I think Newt does, but I'm not sure. I don't believe any of the others do. It's a sad state of affairs.
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Will it really make any difference?
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I'm With You JJDees...
...throw 'em all out and start over. That's the basis of my new personal rules, first to vote of the least experienced candidate and then never vote for him/her again (for a second term).
On that basis, maybe I'd like to see Michael Bloomberg get in the race and win. He's so rich he wouldn't have to accept any campaign contributions from anyone (and therefore not be beholden to any special interest). Unfortunately, for that reason he'd have every lobbyist in Washington throwing money to his opponent(s) to make sure they get someone in office that they could control. |
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Hillary, Obama, Edwards, Gingrich, Thompson, Guiliani, Romney.....
For me the concern is not who's going to be president, but who are going to be the 7,000+ political appointees who will fill every position from Secretary of State to assistant-anything within the Federal (whatever) Commission. If you really want a shock, google the term "Plum Book" to see where all of these positions are. The President, winning party, and a bunch "select" folk will determine who actually is involved in the day-to-day activities of all levels of federal government - and the qualifications for a large number of these folk to hold these positions seems in direct proportion to the number of hours committed to the winning campaign or monetary contribution to the party or both. So, I'm hoping the day will come a Presidential candidate will have the guts to state DURING THE CAMPAIGN who s/he plans to appoint to the key positions listed in the Plum Book. That action would really demonstrate which promises will be kept, which platform planks will be followed, and what kind of administration will actually happen. Until that time, I keep my eyes on who supports whom, because that's the only way I can have an idea who will be in the key government positions after the inauguration. |
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Embryonic Stem Cell Research is an extremely important issue as far as I am concerned. I would find it extremely difficult to vote for a candidate who did not support this. I have respect for those who disagree, but would not like them stopping research for the rest of us.
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Disagree. I think the government SHOULD pay for this research.
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SEE YOU ALL AT THE POLLS.. no chads or supreme court this time... |
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You get Hillary, you get Bill again, :yikes: I really don't want that, do you.
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Bill Clinton only screwed one person... BUSH has screwed us all and continues to do so. BIG business CEO's CONTINUE TO MAKE huge sums of money from the benefits of the Republicans and BUSH and his Cronies.. Were in a war we can't win.. Gas is $3 , the dollar is sliding fast, China owns a lot of our debt, the trade deficit SUCKS, 40 MILLION PEOPLE HAVE NO INSURANCE, the pharmaceutical companies have blocked all attempts to lower drug cost, our legislators are getting rich from lobbyist, and were are going down the tubes, were losing more and more jobs... YOU BETCHA I WANT A CHANGE.... |
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That's it keep drinking the Liberal kool-aid. Don't think for yourselves, or show any regard for the world we're leaving our children and grandchildren go ahead and elected Hillary or even worse Obama. Your set pretty good why show any concern for anyone else. what a sad lot!
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Be careful of electing the "Tax and Spenders". The current Republican Party has totally forgotten fiscal responsibility and the Democrats have never understood, at all. Again, the Blue Dog Democrats and Conservative Republicans get the picture. All this country needs is increases in personal and corporate taxes and we'll have a long-term Recession that won't be pretty. John Kennedy understood that lower taxes spurs economic growth and Ronald Reagan knew it, too. And, as we know, they were not of the same party.
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Those that blame Bush for all that's wrong with the world have selective memories. Eisner was making 50 million plus a year while slick willie was president. Check the facts folks, obscene executive pay had been around a lot longer than George has. Now, let's hear about these bad choices. Are we talking about Iraq? The dems voted for it too based on the WORLD WIDE intelligence. You libs are upset at the supreme court for it's decision on Bush? Obviously you don't remember what the decision was or is it you get all your info from the main stream media who's been trying to destroy Bush since the decision by the court, even before inauguration. The decision was....... the dems would have to recount all Florida precincts, not just the 3 heavily democratic ones that Gore and his boys wanted to recount. Sounds immensely fair. Bush was painted as a dummy but he outshone Kerry at Yale. Doesn't sound like that would have been too hard. The libs and their media have lost their minds over Bush. They blame him for everything including when they run out of toilet paper in their bathrooms. For God sakes, there are some insane libs blaming Bush on the media for the bridge collapse. The liberal drivel is nothing more than a bunch of emotional baseless garbage. State the facts folks.
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Hello Oshunluva,
You are absolutely correct that this President has made our economy as strong as it is due to the tax cuts he pushed through early in his administration. If not for those cuts, our Nation would not be enjoying what is considered full employment. That is why it is so important that tax increases are not part of the next administration. Recession and layoffs will be a reality and certainty for sure. Keep in mind, though, that along with tax cuts the need for fiscal restraint is imperative. We cannot have lower taxes and higher spending. The two just don't compute. Blue Dog Democrats AND Conservative Republicans stand for fiscal responsibility. I'm afraid, though, that the old-school SPENDERS will be in charge soon and ... |
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I heard on the news up here in Ga. an interview with Sam Nunn (ex senator) He didn't say he was considering a 3rd party run but he didn't rule it out either. We need to support the Fair Tax, at present it has (i believe)70 co-signers in the house. If the fair tax could be passed even the Dem's couldn't screw up. Check it out
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Sam Nunn is one of a few dems I acually like.
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You can't EARN respect when the media has been undermining the administration from the get go. The Europeans were calling Bush cowboy before the inauguration. Where did they get that. From the media here. I was in Italy last October and had CNN on for English language news and there was some idiot from the US stating that the reason the N. Koreans developed a nuke was because Cheney wouldn't talk to them so they got mad and developed their nukes!! I'm not fabricating this. This is an example of the garbage spread throughout the US by the media. Bush is one of very few politicians who stands on his principals. His approval rating is very low (31%) but compared to the current congress (3%), he's doing comparatively great. I don't agree with a lot of things he's done but I respect him for standing firm to the enemy even while under fir from the second war front, the democratic party and the media. Here we are fighting an insane enemy and the wonderful New York Times publishes intelligence secrets. The leader of the senate the wonderful Harry Reid announces the war is lost. Unbelievable.
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Well said Oshunluva.
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YOU DO NOT EARN RESPECT... by claiming executive privilege on every thing that goes on in the White House, You don't get respect when you commute a sentence for perjury of you own staff, you don't get respect for exposing a CIA to get revenge for telling like it is... when you classify everything from the breakfast menu to who visited your office
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Looks to me that the heading of this original posting has gone the way of the do-do bird...
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Executive privilege hasn't been claimed for anything that the dems haven't claimed it for before. Only bad when Bush does it. Bush didn't commute Libby's conviction, he pardoned the prison sentence only, which was a farce. Plame was not a covert agent. Libby did not out her nor did Cheney. Armitage did and that was known by Fitzgerald before he began the witch hunt. The fact she worked for the CIA was public knowledge among the DC social circuit. And Wilson had been shown to have lied about his statements regarding the intelligence that Bush had at the time. Furthermore, go back and read my previous post about Clinton's commutations, over 130 of them for felons, thieves, drug kingpins, and terrorists, some of which were done to secure votes for Hillary.. Again, only bad when Bush does it. How about firing federal prosecutors, score; Clinton 92, Bush 9, only bad when Bush does it. All this screaming about Bush has gotten very old. The media doesn't mention the fact that the dems haven't done anything since taking over with their heartwarming promises of bipartisonship besides increasing the minimum wage is launching witch hunt after witch hunt to destroy Bush. The approval rating of congress (3%) may be on the high side.
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Bill was far from perfect, but who is? I would vote for Hillary because her husband with whom she works closely left us with O national debt. He tried to put through a national health plan, but was stopped by the AMA and other big money interests. During his 8 years no american soldier died in combat. He did not try to circumvent the constitution like Cheney and Bush are constantly doing. He did not invade a country that was absolutly no threat to us. Bush/Cheney have done nothing but lie to the American people and start a war to further their own interests. A war that is unwinable and as of now has gone on longer than WW2. Bush/Cheney have created a mess that will take generations to live down.
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PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR LOWER REGION if you can. Have you ever heard of Samaria, where Clinton forced the military to run after a few losses or Hadi or in the former Romania no military losses. You don't know up from down. At least we're now fighting for a just cause stopping the Radial Muslims there instead of fighting them here. We lost about 3600 troops to date, and it's awful to loss even one; however each year the military losses more people in training exercises then is lost per year fighting this war. National heathcare will bankurge our country. people should be responsible for there own actions. Please think for a change think about our contry and what a vote for the Dem's do to our grandchildren, but of course most Dem's only think of themselves and to H... with everyone else as long as the Dem's maintain power. Keep looking up to the leadership of that great human being (Teddy, leave the driving to me, Kennedy. You Dem's are sicking, selfish,and traitorous. Iknow that some Liberal will try to have some lame comeback but anyone knows that Dem's lie about everything.
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Hey Buc,
Are Radial Muslims the special kind of tires needed for the golf cars at the Villages? |
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I don't think we should be voting for our next President based on the actions of the current administration nor past administrations. We should be looking at the character, experience and platforms of the various candidates running in 2008. I think the original point of this discussion thread was to debate Hillary's candidacy versus the others that are running for the office. Every President makes on the job errors in judgement only to be revealed often only after the fact. Further, deep rooted character flaws are also revealed during office right along with any stellar character traits they may possess that were unknown prior to the office being held. Our duty is to identify these flaws and good qualities and evaluate the candidates agendas the best we can with the limited information that we have prior to election day. If we keep the debate there, instead of ridiculing, blaming and blindly taking party sides, we all may benefit. My take on this process is simple. A good President must possess both liberal and conservative qualities and these are not limited to one side of the aisle or the other. In the liberal camp, our President must keep an eye toward the future, be open to progressive social reform when necessary and invest in social programs that have true measurable benefit, interact and negotiate with international leaders with refined diplomacy toward the global good etc. In the conservative camp, our President must have the restraint to make social changes slowly and cautiously, and look back often to learn about what worked best and what didn't and why. President's in both camps must moderate our resources, economy, foriegn trade etc and enlist (as is done now) the brightest, most knowlegeable experts in the fields for consult and decision making. On matters of defense, we must fight and eliminate all threats to our freedom and way of life and assist those whom we call our allies toward the same end. If our best military generals advise our civilian leaders to take the fight to our enemies, so be it, and the President takes full brunt of the decision......but a decision must be made. And in todays world, inaction may be worse than taking action be it right or wrong. So, who do we choose to steer the course? Let's evaluate Hillary's qualities, good and bad, to see how she would measure-up. One criteria I would not use as a measure of potential performance.....I would not cast my vote on the basis of who a potential President was/is married to or on the basis of other kinds relationships. They should be evaluted on their own merit, skills, character, platform and most importantly experience and demonstrated judicious use of power.
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Good points stated twice. So there's a brief answer: "They call her Cleopatra Cause She's Queen Of DeNile. I don't think that's a good trait in a candidate for rhe president of the US. That is the complaint about the one we already have!!
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From www.unity08.com website the following tells it all.
The latest GWU Battleground Poll (from Lake Research and the Tarrance Group) tells us lots that we've heard before: 70% of the people think the country is on the wrong track; 57% disapprove of the job the Republican president is doing; 52% disapprove of the job the Democrats are doing in Congress. But they went further. Asked which of these qualities is the most important in a Member of Congress, 32% said "strength of values and convictions" and twice as many, 64%, said "willingness to find practical workable solutions." 93% said Washington lawmakers put partisan politics ahead of the people, and an astonishing 71% say that of their very own Member of Congress. No wonder that a plurality of Americans felt that in the future their children will be "worse off" than they are right now. That is an amazing finding in a country where our optimism is supposed to be the hallmark! What it says is that the people don't expect the politicians in either party to lead. That leaves it up to the people. Only the people can lead us out of this mess, starting now, starting here – literally, starting here, at Unity08.com. This is your site. This is your country. I really believe things can be different if we get involved and take our Government back from the Washington career politicians, lobbyists and special interest groups. |
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She's going to have a hard time getting any stains on blue dresses is something she has going for her. I do not know about Bill though keeping it decent while his wife is in office as President of the United States. That's going to be real temptation for him given his prior history of various sexual dalliances.
She also has a lot of experience at the presidential level given the appearance that they have often acted as a team in the political affairs of the Clintons. Not so much the personal affairs, one hopes. She would make a good President when compared and contrasted to George W. Bush and his father as well as even to Bill Clinton. She certainly does not have the charism though of someone like one of the Kennedys like Robert and John F. She sort of even pales in comparison to Obama even if Mr. Obama seems like he needs a lot more seasoning before he would be ready for the Oval Office. |
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If only Bill Clinton had taken out BinLaden when our intelligence had him in their sights, But instead Bill decided not to do it. Had he made the decision to have him eliminated then JUST PERHAPS we might not have needed to take the action Bush has taken to keep us secure.
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Chelsea and the Soldier-
Chelsea Clinton was departing her plane at the airport and came upon a soldier and proceeded to talk to him. She asked him where he had been, to which he replied "Baghdad". She praised him for what he had done for the country and asked "Were you scared?" He replied, "No, but I am scared about what I am facing as I return to the United States." Chelsea asked, "What are you afraid of as you return to the United States?" He looked seriously at her and said "I am afraid of three things: "Osama, Obama and Yomama." |
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Watched Hannity last night who was interviewing Romney. The clear understanding I got was that if the republican party act like true republicans, with health-care, a strong defense, abortion, economic strategies most agree on and other issues that the party always stands for will not have a problem gaining the white house. That in order for Hillary to get in she must act like a republican making promises she will never keep just to make it. Even a former candidate for VP Joe Lieberman is determined to vote for the right person not Hillary and not a Democrat.
He fears what will happen with his Israel after we pull out of IRAQ. Since it's our best interests down the line to make sure that Israel remains our allie, and that we have a presence in the middle east. We need a strong one to keep these idiots from our homeland and keep us safe. Personally I do not want another BUSH, or Clinton in the White-house. What I do want is a changing of the guard. Someone who's bright and a step above the rest. These persons are Romney, Giuliani, and any Democrat that can show a history of voting with these issues. (That will never happen). I can only remember my father who passed several years ago who was a true Democrat that when it came time to vote for the US Congress/Senate or White-house voted republican saying it's nice to have DEM'S in local government for the free programs but if you want to keep your jobs and take home a paycheck each week vote for the other guy. Finally remember Ronnie Reagan who stopped the cold war and brought down the wall. Who's ideas helped make us stronger and sparked the economy giving Clinton the opportunity to get the credit. I would love to see a woman in the white-house eventually, but please lets not make it Slick Willies wife. |
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Bubbalarry: Good post... :bigthumbsup:
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