Coronavirus spreads through breathing/talking
 

Experts tell White House virus can spread through talking or even just breathing

(CNN)A prestigious scientific panel told the White House Wednesday night that research shows coronavirus can be spread not just by sneezes or coughs, but also just by talking, or possibly even just breathing.

"While the current [coronavirus] specific research is limited, the results of available studies are consistent with aerosolization of virus from normal breathing," according to the letter, written by Dr. Harvey Fineberg, chairman of a committee with the National Academy of Sciences.

Fineberg told CNN that he will wear start wearing a mask when he goes to the grocery store.

Coronavirus can spread through talking or breathing, prestigious panel tells White House - CNN

Based on what I have seen of villagers ignoring guidelines, I predict more than 1000 cases confirmed here sometime in April. White House will probably recommend some kind of mask when going out to shop etc. I agree, this stuff is more contagious than thought.

White House task force could soon recommend Americans wear masks - CNNPolitics

Air has to flow through the filter material of the mask otherwise you will suffocate. If air passes though so will the virus.

The mask requirement is long overdue.
All the information/data form Korea, Japan and China indicate masks are a significant contributor to flattening their curves.

The notion here in the USA that they are needed for the public to conserve supplies for the medical was/is not very good planning.

The companies that produce or are capable of producing should have been ordered to ramp up production for the inevitable call for masks.

Right..thats why Doctors and nurses are using them, cuz they don't work.

Even a simple bandanna can help stop you from spreading or catching the virus.

Doctors and nurses are still getting sick so apparently masks don't work all that well.

Droplets in the air.

More the exposure to concentration of dense virus contaminants
in everything they come in contact with all day long.

It probably helps but the reality is there's not too much in this world that's 100% except for the two things we all already know about.

Unless mask is a 95, anything else is false hope. The amount of staff that is become ill, is ongoing. Using their 95s more than one day is becoming common, to try to keep safe.

Just wondering, what don’t I understand about the death rate? Worldwide from Worldometer 56987 died from this virus and 226000 recovered. That to me is 1 person died for every 4 who recovered, that includes all ages, every person in the world. This is more than 25% so how do they come up with a 4% etc death rate?

using your numbers.........it's 20%, not 25%.


the 4% comes from total cases since 80% are mild cases


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And mild cases are not considered recovered cases? Not arguing just trying to understand. These are cases with ‘outcomes’ so maybe the mild cases are not included, and you are right 20%.

"They" determined a case is mild and will recover with high probability.




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Sorry, but it is not some kind of statistical manipulation by scientists trying to fool you. There is an additional number that you didn't present. There are three categories. One is death, two is recovered meaning you are completely well, and third which is the largest group is still ill. That third group can go either way, die or get better. On the Johns Hopkins dashboard at this moment:

Total cases abt 1,100,000
Deaths 59,000
Recovered 225,000

Not shown is that third group, still being observed which would be abt 816,000.

The overall death rate is 59000/1100000 = .0536 or 5.36%

You forgot about the 4th category, asymptomatic cases that are never diagnosed or counted. People that catch it, have no symptoms, don't get sick, are never counted. Estimates of this number are 10 times documented cases, which drops your death rate to .5%

The information is out there........40k critical/serious & 775k mild conditions

You're missing a key component: "people who are currently sick, who don't qualify as recovered since they're still sick - and don't qualify as dead, since they're still alive."

That category is not included in the 4% or the 20%. Blueash's response was to the query regarding those specific percentage points - as in "why are people referring to these percentages?"

That 4th category can't count in those numbers, because that 4th category is an unknown factor. Estimates of that number can be 10x documented cases. It could be 500x documented cases. It could be half the amount of documented cases. Estimates mean zilch when it comes to unknown factors.

Then - there are the people who are sick - but don't have symptoms YET. That's a whole other ball of wax and again - they would not be counted in the current "what's the death rate?" query.

Thank you for explaining. Perhaps it’s stress but I had trouble figuring out the different stats around this virus. I have no good excuse I’m usually good with numbers.

Okay, so I buy the numbers that come from a lot of countries as being semi-correct but they give numbers for the world and it is so sketchy it is not about to get a grade of C-. So how do you get anything close to a good count when most countries can not even tell you how may people live in the country? Not denying it is bad but do numbers really matter? Testing and any other measurements are nothing more than a point on a scale. How about focusing on what is making a difference. Limited contact and distancing where close contact with others is required. Biggest to us is how would we feel if someone stupidly gave the virus to our loved ones? Keep that in your head and work to keep yourself and loved ones safe while knowing that everyone you see is a loved one of someone!!

Be safe but have humanity for all!!

I shudder to think of the numbers that will emerge from India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh where the virus is just gaining ground
Those poor people will not stand a chance.
India has gone into lockdown, putting millions instantly out of work, no pay, and no food.
Starvation will feature there as well.
Stay well

Read the 4th section regarding covering your mouth. Says “do NOT use masks designed for healthcare workers.”

How to Protect Yourself & Others | CDC

Wrong. The virus is in droplets (liquid), it’s absorbed by the mask fibers. Air is a gas and passed through the mask because it is made of permeable material. If you touch a mask that has a virus on the outside you will get it on your hands. This is why they say don’t reuse them and wash your hands.

Untrue. A virus particle is much larger than an atom of oxygen or nitrogen.

Because there are still over one million who are still infected and haven’t died or recovered yet.

Although this mayor may not be true you simply can not believe anything that you hear on CNN.

Do you worry that the mainstream media is fear-mongering? We "know" that this virus is spread from hand to face. Washing the hands and avoiding touching the face are the most important aspects. As for the airborne particles the studies I have read show that it is being in an enclosed environment with a cougher or sneezer for 25+ minutes ... that's what the docs were doing at the beginning but they have protection now. Fear is your enemy. Facts are your friends. Focus. Wash. Airborne is too minimal for serious concern.

Not necessarily. If the virus is in a water droplet, it might be contained by the mask and remain on the surface. The infection rate in parts of Asia where mask wearing is common is far below that of Europe where mask wearing is rare. Anecdotal, but worth some thought.

No, mask are not 100% effective, but they do help.

Masks are meant for single time use. After prolonged use, they become less and less affective. Continuous moisture from exhaling begins to make them less effective. It's no wonder healthcare workers are getting sick. In a normal hospital situation, one would NEVER reuse a mask, even worse yet, go from patient to patient with the same mask that is now contaminated on the exterior, too! This is outrageous.

And if the suggestion is we all should wear a mask, pray tell where you can find them?

The research, published in the medical journal The Lancet Infectious Diseases, estimated that about 0.66% of those infected with the virus will die. That coronavirus death rate, which is lower than earlier estimates, takes into account potentially milder cases that often go undiagnosed

Novel coronavirus death rate is lower than previously reported, study says, but it's still deadlier than seasonal flu - CNN

Doctors and nurses are still getting sick because there are not enough masks so they have to wear the same mask over and over, thereby increasing the risk of contamination.

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Fourth category? If you have no symptoms, do not get sick and are never diagnosed, how can you estimate how many there are? Not refuting the fact that they exist but no one has any idea how many there could be unless they tested everyone in the country. Not a good use of resources when our economy is tanking and medical necessity if paramount.

Thanks
 

Everyone is a expert- but your number of .5 is what the scientists who are on the ball are using because it takes into account all the factors to come to a realistic percentage.
Thanks

Perhaps they are taking them off sometime during their shift while virus still in the air?

Perhaps they are saying that because the medical community is having problems getting them?

Can you spray a used mask with lysol or other sterilizer and let it dry to reuse/conserve?

Yes, that is more accurate