On Flights
 

Think this is interesting about outdoor seating? How about on a US flight, some airlines allow up to 6 dogs, cats, birds and rabbits on the plane (yes - in the passenger compartment). It's like a zoo up there in the skies now.
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Dressing down a group by calling them People is demeaning. There are dogs all over the place in restaurants in every first world country except the US, but that is slowly changing. I thought the fl law left it up to the individual restaurant to decide if dogs are allowed outside.

And no stranger, who's never met my dog, can tell me what he's thinking. I know what he likes and doesn't like from living with him and watching his reactions.

We don't take our dog to restos because he's too big. If you don't like having a dog around you while dining out, you can always go to a restaurant that doesn't permit it.

Wow...really? And if you don't like smokers, or any other annoyance, how about going somewhere else?

Yesterday, at the square, I was waiting for a lady friend at the public restroom. There was a guy with a teacup sized dog on a long leash right in the middle of the crown going to and from the restrooms. The dog was on a long leash and several people were taken aback as they were surprised, and had to navigate around this dog/leash right in the middle of the comings and goings. One man made a hrumph sound, showing his displeasure after almost tripping on the 10ft leash. The guy with the dog actually said "we've got Mr grumpy here today precious". I couldn't believe the cluelessness, or lack of respect, this man had. I almost laughed loudly out loud when I heard his comment. Please, keep your animal home, they don't belong at public gatherings.

You are actually right when you say that Precious' owner was clueless. If Mr. Grumpy had taken a fall on the long leash, Precious might have had to start begging for dog food after the lawsuit.

I like the dogs on the squares and do not recall them being in the way. However, it probably does happen sometimes. Be careful.

Well, you all know where I stand on this... If dogs are allowed I'm bringing them. If smoking is allowed I'm doing it. If a bunch of cranky people don't like it, OH WELL, $ucks to be them.

You know, I initially tried to be less annoying to others, but I accept that it will always be something with the pilly folk..

Years ago my shrink told me to do what makes me happy, just followind Doctors orders.

First of all, this is off topic. We're talking about dogs at restaurant, not dogs on long leashes with arrogant owners. Second, I'll take my dog out in public whenever I want, wherever it's legal, and I won't be brought down for it because some, and only some, people don't control their dogs properly.

I can't do anything about the people blowing smoke back on me in restos or smoking in front of me on the street, so I take avoidance measures. I don't eat in the parts of restos where they smoke, and I cross the street if they're blowing smoke back on me while walking. So again, I say that you can boycott the restos who allow dogs, if you're that against it, or work to have the law repealed.

Frankly, if we didn't have a 90-lb dog, he would be with us at dining wherever allowed BY LAW. It's only for his comfort that we don't take him to Red Sauce and the like.

Had breakfast at Sonrise Café the other day and three adorable and well behaved dogs were outside with their owners. Or the other way around.

One was all alone with her little water cup. While we were waiting to go inside, we watched people pet her and stop to talk to her and she was very well behaved....but ....she got more attention than Marilyn Monroe at JFK's birthday bash.

If you choose not to go to restaurants where dogs are allowed, more power to you - will shorten the wait for me and both pooches if I decide to bring them out any particular evening. Would rather have a dog under the table next to me then birds pooping on the furniture!!!

We saw a dog in Sam's Club at the snack bar eating off the table last year. We said something to a worker and he said "It's not right but we are not allowed to say anything."

There's a lot of that these days...

And people wonder why I carry antiseptic wipes with me to clean my surroundings before I eat.....

Yep, you got to do that. Last night I took my dogs out to dinner, made sure I wiped down their area before they ate. You never know what germy people were there, maybe even children.

Thinking about it more...can I trade allowing dogs for allowing children? I've seen HUGE messes left behind...and like a dollar tip. Yes, children ARE worse than dogs in a restaurant. Got a wipe I can borrow...

How about the parents (and grandparents) who sit their toddlers on the tables?

Pass the Handi-Wipes, please!

Yes, and that's why I use long retractable leashes, it's difficult to trip out of control childen with a short leash. Just last night a child of about 4 was running until my leash tripped him, I might have saved his life, his parents couldn't thank me enough.

You all should be happy to see dogs at restaurants, one day they may save your life.

To me, the possibly of a dog fight trumps almost everything about sanitation. Or that a little toddler would get caught in a dog fight while petting a friendly dog and another one comes up and attacks:

June, 2013 I wrote:

I love dogs and have never commented on these threads because I'm a "dog hater". I just don't like it at all when dog owners put dogs first, and people second. People want and need more food sanitation and safety where they eat than dogs do. Here is an example I had never thought about, and now that I saw it, it's hard to forget....

About 6 weeks ago, I was at the stop light at Lake Sumter Landing in front of City Fire, headed southbound at about 8:45pm. As I waited at the light, I noticed a couple with their 2 dogs sitting on the patio at Johnny Rockets. Their dogs were no problem, just lying at the owners' feet under the table. Well, then a really scary thing happened out of the blue. Another couple came along walking in front of the patio with their huge dog, and in a split second, the huge dog went wild and attacked the dogs under the table....he shot under the railing and went after those 2 peaceful ones like he was going to tear them apart.

And yes, I looked for service dog vests etc., and there were none on any of the three.

To me, a true dog fight is a terrifying thing out in the open, much less when the small ones being attacked were lying under a table and when the owners were seated and could not get up and react fast enough with that huge dog attacking theirs. The owners managed to drag him away as he acted like a frothing beast, and they looked like this was all "no problem".

I just don't think it is necessary to have animals in restaurants unless it is a properly credentialed service dog. Many dogs, no matter how well trained, are unpredictable when it comes to other animals they encounter in a new place.

So let the fire bombs begin. I don't care. This is what I saw.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...riendly-80492/

WHATEVER:loco:

iMO, this has nothing to do with dogs in restaurants and everything to do with the owner of the big dog not being in control of his dog. If you have a poorly socialized dog who goes after other dogs, you shouldn't be walking him in any area where there may be other dogs if you can't control that dog.

The dogs in the restaurant did nothing wrong. You're advocating banning the victims.

No, I'm advocating for the victims that are people, like the ones that owned the peaceful dogs under the table, and whose legs could well have been bitten and torn open with a dog fight under the table.

I'm also advocating for the people at the tables beside them who could have been caught in a dog fight.

Human legs under restaurant tables aren't prone to attracting an unruly or unpredictable leashed dog on the sidewalk. But mixing unfamiliar dogs in heavy foot traffic and loud live music blaring--as the squares have--is a recipe for trouble.

Time to Quit Complaining and Use the Laws
 

It's time to just quit complaining and use the laws to address the problem. Continuing to post about this does no good and just gets the same old responses and does nothing to change anything.

Obviously while many do care there are also many dog owners that do not really care about any of the concerns of others as noted by the snarky, immature, and failed attempts to be funny posts. Hurling insults has never made anything better. If we cannot address dogs which are animals how could we ever hope to address children sitting on tables?

It should be handled by the owners of these squares and restaurants but just like the saving chair problems but it is easier for them to just remain mum and let it continue rather than to address it.

If you have concerns here is the information once again. You have a right and duty to report illegal behavior and Cody's is the only restaurant that has the required permit to allow animals in the outside seating area.

Sam's and others without the required permits are breaking the law and hiding behind just saying they cannot do anything.

This is information from a previous thread recently on which this subject was pretty much beat to death. The health code has numerous requirements for the establishment that holds a permit. There is only one that holds the required permit:

Florida State Laws

FAQ - Dogs in Restaurants

Permits for dogs on outdoor patios. Presently, Cody’s Road House in Lake Sumter Landings in The Villages is the only restaurant in Sumter County permitted under Section 13-735 of the Land Development Code. If you have visited Cody’s Road House and believe they are not complying with the requirements of their permit, please also let me know and I will assign an inspector to review their compliance.

If you have any additional questions, please contact me.
Karl E. Holley, AICP
Director of Development Services
Sumter County Board of Commissioners
7375 Powell Road
Wildwood, Florida 34785
(352) 689-4463
Sumter County, FL - Official Website

From the website above:

1. All public food service establishment employees shall wash their hands promptly after touching, petting, or otherwise handling dogs. Employees shall be prohibited from touching, petting, or otherwise handling dogs while serving food or beverages or handling tableware or before entering other parts of the public food service establishment.
2. Patrons in a designated outdoor area shall be advised that they should wash their hands before eating. Waterless hand sanitizer shall be provided at all tables in the designated outdoor area.
3. Employees and patrons shall be instructed that they shall not allow dogs to come into contact with serving dishes, utensils, tableware, linens, paper products, or any other items involved in food service operations.
4. Patrons shall keep their dogs on a leash at all times and shall keep their dogs under reasonable control.
5. Dogs shall not be allowed on chairs, tables, or other furnishings.
6. All table and chair surfaces shall be cleaned and sanitized with an approved product between seating of patrons. Spilled food and drink shall be removed from the floor or ground between seating of patrons.
7. Accidents involving dog waste shall be cleaned immediately and the area sanitized with an approved product. A kit with the appropriate materials for this purpose shall be kept near the designated outdoor area.
8. A sign or signs reminding employees of the applicable rules shall be posted on premises in a manner and place as determined by the local permitting authority.
9. A sign or signs reminding patrons of the applicable rules shall be posted on premises in a manner and place as determined by the local permitting authority.
10. A sign or signs shall be posted in a manner and place as determined by the local permitting authority that places the public on notice that the designated outdoor area is available for the use of patrons and patrons’ dogs.
11. Dogs shall not be permitted to travel through indoor or nondesignated outdoor portions of the public food service establishment, and ingress and egress to the designated outdoor portions of the public food service establishment must not require entrance into or passage through any indoor area of the food establishment.

That is still nothing to do with the dogs behaving well at a resto and being attacked by a poorly trained, vicious dog who shouldn't have been in the area in the first place. You could be walking on some street when a drunk or demented driver jumps a curb and runs you down. Should you never go out on the sidewalk because some people shouldn't be allowed to drive a car?

Okay, I'm done here. Everyone else can have the last word. I need to learn not to let my doggy button be pushed so easily. :lipsrsealed:

When the dogs are legally allowed, well behaved, leashed and quietly enjoying their night out with their owner THAT TOO SHOULD BE RESPECTED.

I'm not so crazy about the food at Red Sauce, they have that upstate NY version of Italian, but I will be eating there to be supportive.

Leave your dogs home...or get a baby sitter when you want to go out so your dog won't be lonely...The Villages is getting out of hand I won't go to Red Sauce anymore that's for sure. I watch people every morning walking their dogs going on peoples property have some respect....I am not a dog hater its their owners that have to behave...and learn to respect other peoples property. Walk them on your own grass.Johnny Rockets lets dogs on the outside also and I don't go there any more.

Well, you have crossed RedSauce, Johnny Rockets, and Cody's off your list because you have heard they allow dogs outside. Have you checked out any other Villages restaurants personally to see their policies? You might be surprised at how many really will allow dogs outside.

Personally, I would rather have a quiet dog under a nearby table than whining children or children running amok in the restaurant.

Not to worry about your lawn, I care too much about them to let them walk on untreated sewage runoff.:wave:

Any other restaurants you won't be visiting, I'm updating my list.

[quote=buggyone;761526]Well, you have crossed RedSauce, Johnny Rockets, and Cody's off your list because you have heard they allow dogs outside. Have you checked out any other Villages restaurants personally to see their policies? You might be surprised at how many really will allow dogs outside.



If you have concerns you have the right and a duty to report illegal behavior and Cody's is the only restaurant that has the required permit to allow animals in the outside seating area. Any other restaurant allowing dogs on their outside area is breaking Florida State law which requires a local permit and compliance with quite a few health and sanitation requirements..

It's not the business manager or owner's choice to just decide to allow dogs without compliance.

Cannot be any clearer than this below...from another post..

Permits for dogs on outdoor patios. Presently, Cody’s Road House in Lake Sumter Landings in The Villages is the only restaurant in Sumter County permitted under Section 13-735 of the Land Development Code. If you have visited Cody’s Road House and believe they are not complying with the requirements of their permit, please also let me know and I will assign an inspector to review their compliance.

If you have any additional questions, please contact me.
Karl E. Holley, AICP
Director of Development Services
Sumter County Board of Commissioners
7375 Powell Road
Wildwood, Florida 34785
(352) 689-4463
Sumter County, FL - Official Website

Welcome to The Villages, :ohdear:, bet you thought you were moving to a pet friendly community.

LMAO! You're killing me Patty! I will probably make an effort to take my dogs everywhere now. Keeps the dog haters away!

Until somebody that matters tells me not to be, we'll be there.

You know the dogs can come in handy saving chairs.

:doggie::doggie::doggie::doggie::doggie::doggie:

I have applied for a government grant which will be used to prove my theory that dogs are actually alien beings from other solar systems and that their "owners" are brainwashed abductees utilized purely as life support systems in a bizarre host/parasite relationship. That leg humping thing is their way of marking potential "hosts" for their Friends Their dangly bits and behinds secrete a chemical that makes humans attribute childlike human qualities to them. The critters transfer this chemical to humans by licking themselves then licking the humans either on the lips, nose, or eyes. Forewarned is forearmed.

Pet friendly community vis a vis retirement community for people ?

No dogs allowed? I may be wrong but I haven't read one sign here yet

If a dog is allowed then an owner has every right vis a vis owners responsibilities?

Beside which a poster already stated that the only public establishment with a permit is Cody's

A dog is an "individual"??? vis a vis humans being described as individuals.
As individuals used here explains why some dog owners walk their dogs in baby carriages

As long as a dog is behaving vis a vis the unpredictability of when and to whom a dog will strike/bite.

The Villages is first and foremost for people

Cest la vie

I saw dogs in practicslly every restaurant in Paris, inside as well as outside.

That's not surprising.

Whoa, I sometimes have these kinds of thoughts about TV, only it's not the aliens doing it, it's THEM. That we are living the plot of a bad horror movie where we have been assembled by THEM to suck the power from our brains to power up something like a submarine (maybe a big boat).

Oh, BTW, good luck with that grant, the fed is closed, hell they don't even have towel service at the gym.

I see no reason why people should not have pets. We have one, but I do not understand why people feel the need to cart the animal to a restaurant, store or service place. If I am in a restaurant and there are dogs there, we leave. There is a time and place for everything and taking your pet to the store or a restaurant is not appropriate unless of course they are a bona-fide service animal.

That is your opinion - mine is different. That's what makes the world go round, the world go round, the world go round.

Just curious. Do the people that object to dogs at outdoor restaurants avoid dining at the homes of friends with dogs?

Allowing dogs or any pets is a good reason NOT to go to Red Sauce anymore!!!!!

"There is a time and place for everything and taking your pet to the store or a restaurant is not appropriate unless of course they are a bona-fide service animal."

...and how are you going to tell if the dog is a "bona-fide service animal?

As stated several times on this thread, you can buy the service dog vest and fake credentials off the Internet.

Just suck it up. If you see a dog in a restaurant area, exercise your free choice and either stay or leave. No one is forcing you to be where you do not want to be.

Y'know, when I see an excessive amount of exclamation points I sometimes think the poster could use a little something to take the edge off. How does your shrink feel about this?