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GrumpyOldMan 10-04-2021 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Aloha1 (Post 2012667)
Oh, please. Do not believe the political lies that you won't get your social security check unless the debt ceiling is raised. the 14th Amendment MANDATES that those checks go out and the debt ceiling has nothing to do with it. Neither Congress nor the President can stop that despite what you hear them say.

This is mostly true. SS is self-funded. Current projections say it will run short of income around 2030 and have to dip into the fund it keeps its reserves in. With massive unemployment where people are not paying into SS because they are not making salaries, that date could come sooner. But, even if it does the SS will not "run out of money" suddenly, it will begin reducing payments at first (currently scheduled for 2030).

The government does occasionally borrow money from SS by selling it Special Treasury notes. What makes them "special" is that by law, if the SS wants to sell the notes back, the government legally has to buy them before paying back any other debts. There are many simple things the government COULD do to push that 2030 date out further to 2050 or further, but then, it looks like they are not in the mood to get much of anything done and haven't been for a while now.

The SS is safe for the rest of most of our lives. There is one possible exception to that statement. Should there be a civil war or a collapse of our government, then whatever follows may choose to NOT honor that debt, in which case about 65 million Americans are going to be fairly upset.

Bill14564 10-04-2021 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Aloha1 (Post 2012667)
Oh, please. Do not believe the political lies that you won't get your social security check unless the debt ceiling is raised. the 14th Amendment MANDATES that those checks go out and the debt ceiling has nothing to do with it. Neither Congress nor the President can stop that despite what you hear them say.

Curious where in the 14th amendment it MANDATES that Govt spends money it does not have and cannot borrow?

I'm not asking whether their is money for Social Security checks to go out, I believe there is. But if there was not, I'm curious where the 14th amendment MANDATES that Govt must send out checks that will bounce.

golfing eagles 10-04-2021 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2012694)
Curious where in the 14th amendment it MANDATES that Govt spends money it does not have and cannot borrow?

I'm not asking whether their is money for Social Security checks to go out, I believe there is. But if there was not, I'm curious where the 14th amendment MANDATES that Govt must send out checks that will bounce.

Hard to "bounce" a check when you have the ability to print more money. (of course, that leads to other problems)

Byte1 10-04-2021 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by jdulej (Post 2010472)
One of the great things about America is the opportunity it provides many people (not all, but that's another story) to excel and reach for their dreams, be they wealth, fame, or whatever. What gets lost somewhere along the line is the responsibility that goes with success. To me, there is an expectation that those that achieve the most should give back the most. I don't see that. What I see is "I want more, more, more"

In America, it is NOT a responsibility to give back when you succeed. Most DO give back in some manner, but it is NOT a responsibility. Where do these folks get that idea that the wealthy MUST give away their money. Don't get me wrong, it is the wealthy that do give away great sums of money, but they are under no obligation. Since the wealthy pay 90% of the taxes in America, I find it amazing that those that pay no taxes think that the wealthy do not pay enough.

Byte1 10-04-2021 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 2012678)
This is mostly true. SS is self-funded. Current projections say it will run short of income around 2030 and have to dip into the fund it keeps its reserves in. With massive unemployment where people are not paying into SS because they are not making salaries, that date could come sooner. But, even if it does the SS will not "run out of money" suddenly, it will begin reducing payments at first (currently scheduled for 2030).

The government does occasionally borrow money from SS by selling it Special Treasury notes. What makes them "special" is that by law, if the SS wants to sell the notes back, the government legally has to buy them before paying back any other debts. There are many simple things the government COULD do to push that 2030 date out further to 2050 or further, but then, it looks like they are not in the mood to get much of anything done and haven't been for a while now.

The SS is safe for the rest of most of our lives. There is one possible exception to that statement. Should there be a civil war or a collapse of our government, then whatever follows may choose to NOT honor that debt, in which case about 65 million Americans are going to be fairly upset.

But, if the gov deems it prudent to save S.S. it can/can reduce the amount paid out in your monthly check/deposit.

Bill14564 10-04-2021 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2012722)
Hard to "bounce" a check when you have the ability to print more money. (of course, that leads to other problems)

Running out of funds would definitely be self-inflicted in order to avoid/postpone the other problems.

I just don't understand the reasoning behind the other poster's assertion that the 14th amendment mandates that checks be sent out regardless of the funds to back them up.

JMintzer 10-04-2021 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2012727)
In America, it is NOT a responsibility to give back when you succeed. Most DO give back in some manner, but it is NOT a responsibility. Where do these folks get that idea that the wealthy MUST give away their money. Don't get me wrong, it is the wealthy that do give away great sums of money, but they are under no obligation. Since the wealthy pay 90% of the taxes in America, I find it amazing that those that pay no taxes think that the wealthy do not pay enough.

Excellent points!

Dana1963 10-04-2021 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2012739)
Running out of funds would definitely be self-inflicted in order to avoid/postpone the other problems.

I just don't understand the reasoning behind the other poster's assertion that the 14th amendment mandates that checks be sent out regardless of the funds to back them up.

Exactly. Most posters here I consider a wealth of misinformation. How did we get from Covid changes with one restaurant POOR SERVICE to Social Security

golfing eagles 10-04-2021 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dana1963 (Post 2012857)
Exactly. Most posters here I consider a wealth of misinformation. How did we get from Covid changes with one restaurant POOR SERVICE to Social Security

The usual way???:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

JMintzer 10-04-2021 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2012861)
The usual way???:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

They shoulda' taken that left at Albuquerque...

Bogie Shooter 10-04-2021 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dana1963 (Post 2012857)
Exactly. Most posters here I consider a wealth of misinformation. How did we get from Covid changes with one restaurant POOR SERVICE to Social Security

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2012861)
The usual way???:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

And another thing, never speed thru a roundabout.:faint:

ex34449 10-04-2021 02:41 PM

I think I remember fairly clearly many here wanting a lot of things shut down due to the flu. It happened. All the way from longshoremen to restaurants. You know, those non essential jobs. If you're trying to make ends meet and your non essential job just got offed what are you supposed to do?
There are plenty of jobs available right now. Go to any Wendy's. Go to a few other places as well because you'll need 3 jobs just to live.
Cody's service, as well as most other companies in many fields are hurting right now. You can't screw up the economy in a month and expect it to recover in the same time.
Better get use to it though as it's not going to end anytime soon.

JMintzer 10-04-2021 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ex34449 (Post 2012893)
I think I remember fairly clearly many here wanting a lot of things shut down due to the flu. It happened. All the way from longshoremen to restaurants. You know, those non essential jobs. If you're trying to make ends meet and your non essential job just got offed what are you supposed to do?
There are plenty of jobs available right now. Go to any Wendy's. Go to a few other places as well because you'll need 3 jobs just to live.
Cody's service, as well as most other companies in many fields are hurting right now. You can't screw up the economy in a month and expect it to recover in the same time.
Better get use to it though as it's not going to end anytime soon.

Lowe's is begging people to work, starting at $32K/year... This includes health benefits, which include dental and vision insurance, life and disability insurance, paid time off, flexible spending and health savings accounts, a 401(k) plan, education support program, an Employee Assistance Program, maternity and parental leave...

You can get a local 1-2 BR apartment for under $1K/month...

So tell me about those 3 jobs again?

ex34449 10-04-2021 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2012921)
Lowe's is begging people to work, starting at $32K/year... This includes health benefits, which include dental and vision insurance, life and disability insurance, paid time off, flexible spending and health savings accounts, a 401(k) plan, education support program, an Employee Assistance Program, maternity and parental leave...

You can get a local 1-2 BR apartment for under $1K/month...

So tell me about those 3 jobs again?

I agree with you but I see both sides. Many men can't change a tire much less swing a hammer. Which dept. would you like them to assist you in? I know of several people that lost their transportation due to the fact they couldn't afford them. Living 10 miles away with little to no mass transportation makes life very difficult.
Many people work in restaurants because the pay was good for what their knowledge base is. That said, you don't become a great waitress without a lot of time on the job. Hire someone that is clueless, you'll have poor service until they get proficient.
Everyone's job was and always will be essential. This mess was entirely man made.

Byte1 10-05-2021 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ex34449 (Post 2012942)
I agree with you but I see both sides. Many men can't change a tire much less swing a hammer. Which dept. would you like them to assist you in? I know of several people that lost their transportation due to the fact they couldn't afford them. Living 10 miles away with little to no mass transportation makes life very difficult.
Many people work in restaurants because the pay was good for what their knowledge base is. That said, you don't become a great waitress without a lot of time on the job. Hire someone that is clueless, you'll have poor service until they get proficient.
Everyone's job was and always will be essential. This mess was entirely man made.

Are you assuming that the average man/woman is inherently stupid and can't learn? Many times, if you go to Lowes and need assistance, the person that might be stocking the shelves will call someone with the knowledge to help you. Many learn from their customers also. I don't need a job, but if I did I would jump on that offer at Lowes in a heartbeat. Then again, I am not allergic to manual labor. I guess if my folks had bought me a car in high school, paid for insurance and fuel and gave me a substantial allowance, I would see no reason to take such a menial, low level job.

Dana1963 10-05-2021 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2012921)
Lowe's is begging people to work, starting at $32K/year... This includes health benefits, which include dental and vision insurance, life and disability insurance, paid time off, flexible spending and health savings accounts, a 401(k) plan, education support program, an Employee Assistance Program, maternity and parental leave...

You can get a local 1-2 BR apartment for under $1K/month...

So tell me about those 3 jobs again?

If we look at just the metrics on drug screening most local unemployed or UNDEREMPLOYED will not pass a drug test/background check.

JMintzer 10-05-2021 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ex34449 (Post 2012942)
I agree with you but I see both sides. Many men can't change a tire much less swing a hammer. Which dept. would you like them to assist you in? I know of several people that lost their transportation due to the fact they couldn't afford them. Living 10 miles away with little to no mass transportation makes life very difficult.
Many people work in restaurants because the pay was good for what their knowledge base is. That said, you don't become a great waitress without a lot of time on the job. Hire someone that is clueless, you'll have poor service until they get proficient.
Everyone's job was and always will be essential. This mess was entirely man made.

You think all of the cashiers or people stocking shelves know how to fix a toilet?

Henryk 10-12-2021 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 2010560)
50% of the population pay NO federal income taxes. Probably half the middle class are included in that number. The average income in the villages IS lower middle class.
The wealthy carry the rest of the country in UN-Constitutional income taxes. Yes, it is illegal to discriminate and the federal tax system discriminates and penalizes the achievers. I agree with that post that you HAD to respond to, that there are some "nasty" folks in The Villages and if they do not like it here they should feel free to move elsewhere. All those folks do is bring down a really nice place to live. And it was very nice until the folks that hated it up North decided to come down here and make it just like up North where they left.

Grow up. The "folks up north" had nothing to do with this matter.

MDLNB 10-13-2021 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Henryk (Post 2016640)
Grow up. The "folks up north" had nothing to do with this matter.


Apparently, I read his post differently. Maybe my reading comprehension is different than some that received theirs in a one room schoolhouse. If he is a resident of the Villages, I am sure that he has "grown up."


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