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Originally Posted by Rapscallion St Croix (Post 1555121)

Rap can best be appreciated if played from a car stereo on max volume with windows down while pumping gas at a service station.

And with speakers that can' handle the bass. [emoji16]

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 1554637)

This is an excellent post. It points to the damage profiling can do.

Profiling anyone by any criteria, whether racial, country of orgin, religion is so wrong and those who proclaim that they are for law and order cannot be so if they profile in any case.

"“Every time you read into something you miss the soul, while searching for the motive.”
― Shannon L. Alder"

I dislike Rap in all forms actually, and the reason there is much to choose from in music genre is because we are a world and country of folks, NOT CLONED, but of individuals, and while I do not like it, I respect those that do. I reserve the right to exclude those lyrics that are offensive but I also feel that way about any genre, including broadway, etc.

So many of those demeaned rappers are now upstanding VERY RICH and VERY INFLUENTIAL in todays world, applauded by many who oppose the very music that launched them.

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Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa (Post 1555050)

Well, I was accused of "profiling" with my characterization of rap as being anti-police. What is now called profiling used to be called "good police work." I notice that another poster, who I know has a police background, agrees with me.

Here's a sample of ANTI POLICE rap, much of which you don't hear on radio because it is too filthy to be permitted by the FCC.

2 Pac - Open Fire
2 Pac - Soulja's Story
2 Pac - Violent
50 Cent - Officer Down
The Bost6n - Still FTP
Big L featuring Fat Joe - The Enemy
Blahzay Blahzay - Good Cop Bad Cop
Blue Scholars - Oscar Grant
Body Count - Cop Killer
Bone-thugs-n-harmony - No Surrender
Bone-thugs-n-harmony - Still no Surrender
Boogie Down Productions - Bo! Bo! Bo!
Boogie Down Productions - 30 Cops or More
Boogie Down Productions - Who Protects Us From You?
Brand Nubian - Claimin' I'm A Criminal
CES Cru - Gridlock
Chamillionaire - Ridin' Dirty
China Mac - Buck a Cop
Cypress Hill - Pigs
David Banner - The Greatest Story Ever Told
Dead Prez - Cop Shot
Dead Prez - I Have a Dream Too
Dead Prez- Police State
Dead Prez - Walk Like a Warrior
Eminem - Untouchable
Fabolous featuring Paul Cain & Nate Dogg - Po Po
Geto Boys - Crooked Cop
Game, The - 911 Is A Joke
Hard Knocks - Road To The Precinct
Heems- NYC Cops
Ice Cube- Ghetto Bird
Ice Cube - Who Got The Camera
Ill Bill - How to Kill a Cop
Immortal Technique - The Other White Meat
J-Dilla - **** the Police
Jeru The Damaja- Invasion
Jus Allah - Cop Monopoly
Killer Mike - Don't Die
Knucklehedz- Who Called Da Cops?
KRS-One - Black Cop
KRS One - Sound of Da Police
LL Cool J - Illegal Search
M.O.P. - Hip Hop Cops
Main Source - Just A Friendly Game of Baseball
MC Shan - Time For Us To Defend Ourselves
Mellow Hype - **** The Police
Michael Jackson - They Don't Care About Us
Mobb Deep - Cop Hell
Mr. Lif featuring Metro- Gun Fight
N.W.A - **** tha Police
N.W.A- Sa Prize (**** tha Police part 2)
Nas - Cops Keep Firing
Non Phixion - Criminal
O.C. - Constables
Onyx - **** Da Law
Paris (featuring Conscious Daughters) - Bring It to Ya
Paris - Coffee, Donuts, & Death
Paris - Night of the Long Knives
Paris - Tear **** Up
Pharoahe Monch - Clap
Pharoahe Monch - What Is the Law?
Prince Paul - Men in Blue
Prince Paul featuring Everlast- Men In Blue
Public Enemy - 911 is a Joke
Public Enemy- Get The **** Outta Dodge
Rob Hustle - Call the Cops
Sabac Red - Fight Until the End
Snow - Informer
Trinity - Corrupt
Talib Kweli - The Proud
Young Buck - Don't Need No Help

Here is a list of COP KILLER rap. This is a sample. There is more.

2pac - Open Fire
2pac - Soulja's Story
50 Cent - Officer Down
Bob Marley - I Shot the Sheriff
Bodycount - Cop Killer
Bone Thugs N Harmony - No Surrender
China Mac - Buck a Cop
Constant Flow - Anatomy of a Revolutionary
Dead Prez - Cop Shot
Dead Prez - Walk Like a Warrior
Dead Prez - I Have a Dream Too
Dr. Dre & Snoop Dogg - 187
Geto Boys - Crooked Officer
Gutta the Rebel - Killa Cop
Ill Bill - How To Kill a Cop
John Maus - Cop Killer
Looptroop - Cop Killin'
Paris - Coffee Donuts and Death
Paris - Night of the Long Knives
The Almighty RSO - One in the Chamba

Carl, just curious, is that a personal list that you compiled alphabetically? [emoji6]

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We sound very much like out fathers commenting on Elvis, The Beatles, and Led Zeppelin 50 years ago.

Rappers present their message, whether you agree with it or not, with a strong beat. It's music. Just not your music.

Rap from the 30's

Preacher's Delight- 1st First Rap Song - YouTube

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Originally Posted by Chi-Town (Post 1555126)

Carl, just curious, is that a personal list that you compiled alphabetically? [emoji6]

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Not Carl’s lists. Copied from Rapgenius.com, a music company site that was shut down in 2014 when the company changed its name to Genius and began recording other music genres. Credit is always a nice thing to give.

Most, if not all, of the list is pretty old. Tupac was murdered in 1996. NWA is long gone and some of its members are now totally mainstream. I will never condone the murder of police officers but I certainly understand the rage, fear and frustration these rappers are talking about.

Rap today focuses more on the social issues than murder as a solution to those issues. Like most music, rap grows over time or dies out.

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Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 1555159)

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1554641)

:BigApplause::BigApplause::BigApplause:

I refer to it as crap.

That "crap" as you call it is very close to the seat of power in the USA, along with very rich.

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1554796)

I love musicals and I am sure that this song isn't politically correct, but I love it. And the men look handsome to me.

there is nothing like a dame - Bing video

I’m not interested in the men, but South Pacfic and the many other tunes written by Rodgers and Hammerstein are timeless. There’s nothing like the great American Songbook in my opinion. I’m stuck in a time warp and have no use for Rap or Hip-Hop

I grew up with the Beatles, Stones and The Who, at least those tunes had melody and harmony. Not sure I can find a melody in hip hop or rap.

Rap isn’t music and to say it is insults every musician and singer living or dead. It promotes violence and disrespects women. Unfortunately it won’t go away. But fortunately you can turn it off.

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Originally Posted by Chi-Town (Post 1555138)

Rap from the 30's

Preacher's Delight- 1st First Rap Song - YouTube

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Did you notice the music wasn't from the 30's, it's was Rapper's Delight by the Sugar Hill Gang from 1980. I know this stuff because I sold records for 30 years, not that I liked it. That's the first commercially viable rap song I ever knew or heard of, Rapper's Delight.

After that, rap died down until, we can thank Aerosmith for this. Aerosmith was dropped by their original label CBS they put out a couple of lackluster albums on Geffen. Then with advent of MTV, they rehashed a 1975 hit of theirs, 'Walk this Way' and joined up with Run DMC and made a new version with video. Aerosmith was now relevant again.

Then rap kind of cruised along, the white audience was still listening to rock. Then some white guy named Robert Van Winkle came out as Vanilla Ice and released the single Ice Ice Baby with video. Now rap was selling to the white audience, of course he stole his melody from David Bowie/Freddie Mercury's tune "Under Pressure". They later sued and Ice had to pay them $7 million dollars. Then came a funny looking fat black guy named Sir-Mix-Alot with the tune "I like Big Butts", now rap was also funny, as if Vanilla Ice wasn't funny enough.

The early 90's brought what's called gangster rap, and then grunge knocked hair bands out, so we had gangster rap and grunge, not much to choose from. That's where we stand now, probably the most popular rapper is another white guy, name MM or spelled Enimen. Which are his initials for Marshall Mathers.

I did get some good news the other day, Jay-Z has turned down the NFL's offer to do the Super Bowl halftime show. For those of us who still watch the NFL, that is good news.

I keep reading posters saying how our fathers hated Elvis, my dad was the biggest Elvis fan there was, and if was still alive he would be 90. We went to every Elvis movie that came out, watched every TV appearance and once drove 60 miles to see Elvis at Weekie Wachee Springs in '62. So not all of our parents were behind the times.

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Originally Posted by Fredman (Post 1555273)

Rap isn’t music and to say it is insults every musician and singer living or dead. It promotes violence and disrespects women. Unfortunately it won’t go away. But fortunately you can turn it off.

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1555125)

In ANY case? Are you sure?

Let's take a scenario. You are a deputy sheriff assigned to work in a rural area. You receive a radio dispatch to go to the Zion AME (Black) Church which has just been firebombed during services.

When you arrive you observe that the county fire department has brought the fire under control. There is a crowd around the church, composed mainly of well dressed Black people who were probably attending services. (Oops. Profiling.) There are two or three clusters of three to six White people also observing the fire. They were probably attracted by the smoke from the fire. (Oops. Profiling.)

Among the White people is a small group of three White men dressed in white tee shirts and blue jeans, all of whom have shaved heads. Since the fire is nearly put out, the crowd is breaking up and people are starting to wander away. You have only moments to stop, identify, and question people about the firebombing.

Who do you single out for immediate interview?

If you decided on the three possible "skinheads" then you are a profiler. (Gasp.)

If you failed to start with them, find some other line of work. You will never make it as a police officer.

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Originally Posted by bucco (Post 1555242)

that "crap" as you call it is very close to the seat of power in the usa, along with very rich.

crap!

8 Mile (2002) - Rotten Tomatoes

Really liked the rap music in this 2002 movie. I do not listen to much rap music though unless it is on some dance competition show. Those have many different kinds of music especially those programs that highlight largely unknown dancers.