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zcaveman 08-22-2011 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jrheydt (Post 384678)
This may be a little off topic but I was just wondering. If I have a street legal cart that can go 25mph can I drive that speed on the multi modal paths without getting a ticket? I realize there are people that go that speed with souped up carts which is illegal but if my cart can legally go that speed on the street is it OK to drive that speed on the paths?

John

Since MOST carts only go 19 and you have walkers, joggers and bicyclists on the multinodal path, I think it would be kind of dangerous and reckless to go 25 on the multinodal paths.

BigLew 08-22-2011 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by getdul981 (Post 385051)
Nail 'em all!!! My wife and I were coming down St. Charles one evening after dark and a cart pulled out to pass 3 or 4 carts in a row. We were in front and could not have been going over 21 mph.(That's as fast as it will go) This cart passed us all and had to be doing at least 30 mph. It was not a street legal either, because I could hear the gasoline engine when he went by. It was a custom '57 Chevy, bright red in color and turned down Pennecamp Dr. Be careful out there folks.

I've pulled out at 20 and passed 2 or 3 carts....of course they were golf course rentals doing 10...:crap2:

hedoman 08-23-2011 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by BigLew (Post 385222)
I've pulled out at 20 and passed 2 or 3 carts....of course they were golf course rentals doing 10...:crap2:

That would've been me last month in the loaner cart, a real slow boat to China.... I DID wave everyone around and slowed down so they could pass safely. EVERYBODY waved "thank you" as they went by.

Now I must ask for a definitive answer to:

"Can law enforcement issue citations on multi modal paths which are considered private property?"

Are citations given only on shared streets such as Morse north of 466?

hedoman 08-23-2011 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by GeorgeT (Post 385024)
Hey! I'm here!

You know what I mean.... August vs February population wise...Man I love summers in TV.....sooooo much less congestion everywhere.....



:thumbup: :highfive: :thumbup:

GeorgeT 08-23-2011 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by hedoman (Post 385323)
That would've been me last month in the loaner cart, a real slow boat to China.... I DID wave everyone around and slowed down so they could pass safely. EVERYBODY waved "thank you" as they went by.

Now I must ask for a definitive answer to:

"Can law enforcement issue citations on multi modal paths which are considered private property?"

Are citations given only on shared streets such as Morse north of 466?

hedoman,

I would say that you cannot be ticketed on a cart path just as you can't be ticketed on the golf course for being a bad "driver" get it....driver...golf course..ha,ha. Sorry I just woke up and my sense of humor hasn't yet!

You can only be ticketed on public roads.

mrdills 08-23-2011 09:37 AM

golf carts
 
Has anyone tried to stop a golf cart doing 20 MPH, good luck, I don't want to be around. :22yikes:

GeorgeT 08-23-2011 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by mrdills (Post 385409)
Has anyone tried to stop a golf cart doing 20 MPH, good luck, I don't want to be around. :22yikes:

Mine goes 21mph max and I stop all the time! Stopping really fast may be an issue but that's why you need to be aware of your environment and expect the unexpected. If say a tree limb falls in front of you or a car comes at you I think that you will stop even quicker.:boom:

buggyone 08-23-2011 02:32 PM

Now for that definitive answer:

You can only be ticketed by the police in your golf golf cart if you are on a public street. The multi-modal trails are NOT public streets. On public streets, the speed limit for non-street legal carts is 20 mph.

skip0358 08-23-2011 03:12 PM

Don't be 2 sure
 
If a trap is on a path and your going over 20 mph u may not get a speeding ticket but u can get an unregistered motor vehicle ticket. Whose going to argue with the officer and tell him he can't I've been passed on paths and my cart is legal 20MPH.

rubicon 08-23-2011 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by skip0358 (Post 385517)
If a trap is on a path and your going over 20 mph u may not get a speeding ticket but u can get an unregistered motor vehicle ticket. Whose going to argue with the officer and tell him he can't I've been passed on paths and my cart is legal 20MPH.

I agree. How else can you explain police golf carts patrolling the cart paths. I am still trying to get the connection between "your retired" and so "why are you in a hurry"???? Beside which how does one define "in a hurry" I mean while I wait for my wife to get ready for a night out she says that to me too"Why are you rushing me what's the hurry" My response is OK I read war and peace again while you get ready:D

Bogie Shooter 08-23-2011 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 385525)
I agree. How else can you explain police golf carts patrolling the cart paths. I am still trying to get the connection between "your retired" and so "why are you in a hurry"???? Beside which how does one define "in a hurry" I mean while I wait for my wife to get ready for a night out she says that to me too"Why are you rushing me what's the hurry" My response is OK I read war and peace again while you get ready:D

How many people have seen police patrolling cart paths.......where they have no jurisdiction??

chacam 08-23-2011 04:04 PM

From the VCCDD Minutes:

Valerie Fuchs, District Counsel, advised the Board that Florida Statute Chapter 190 does not provide the District with law enforcement authority. Ms. Fuchs stated jurisdiction for law enforcement of the streets, highways and roads is vested within the counties or cities in which the roads lie, which for District 3 is held by the Sumter County Sheriff’s Office (SCSO). In response to the question raised whether the SCSO could assist the District by enforcing speeding violations that occur on the multimodal paths along Buena Vista Boulevard, Ms. Fuchs advised, because the multi-modal paths do not meet the definition under Florida Statute Chapter 316 as a road, street or highway, the SCSO has no jurisdiction to enforce violations on the multi-modal paths that exist on District property. Valerie Fuchs further stated the District cannot enter into an Interlocal Agreement with the SCSO to provide for the law enforcement of those multi-modal paths along Buena Vista Boulevard because the District does not have law enforcement ability to grant to the SCSO. Ms. Fuchs advised the District does have the
authority to place control mechanisms such as speed bumps or humps along the multi-modal paths to control speed if it so chose to do so.

Bogie Shooter 08-23-2011 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by chacam (Post 385545)
From the VCCDD Minutes:

Valerie Fuchs, District Counsel, advised the Board that Florida Statute Chapter 190 does not provide the District with law enforcement authority. Ms. Fuchs stated jurisdiction for law enforcement of the streets, highways and roads is vested within the counties or cities in which the roads lie, which for District 3 is held by the Sumter County Sheriff’s Office (SCSO). In response to the question raised whether the SCSO could assist the District by enforcing speeding violations that occur on the multimodal paths along Buena Vista Boulevard, Ms. Fuchs advised, because the multi-modal paths do not meet the definition under Florida Statute Chapter 316 as a road, street or highway, the SCSO has no jurisdiction to enforce violations on the multi-modal paths that exist on District property. Valerie Fuchs further stated the District cannot enter into an Interlocal Agreement with the SCSO to provide for the law enforcement of those multi-modal paths along Buena Vista Boulevard because the District does not have law enforcement ability to grant to the SCSO. Ms. Fuchs advised the District does have the
authority to place control mechanisms such as speed bumps or humps along the multi-modal paths to control speed if it so chose to do so.

Thank you for posting. It cannot be any plainer than that.

Snowbirdtobe 08-23-2011 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by chacam (Post 385545)
From the VCCDD Minutes:

Valerie Fuchs, District Counsel, advised the Board that Florida Statute Chapter 190 does not provide the District with law enforcement authority. Ms. Fuchs stated jurisdiction for law enforcement of the streets, highways and roads is vested within the counties or cities in which the roads lie, which for District 3 is held by the Sumter County Sheriff’s Office (SCSO). In response to the question raised whether the SCSO could assist the District by enforcing speeding violations that occur on the multimodal paths along Buena Vista Boulevard, Ms. Fuchs advised, because the multi-modal paths do not meet the definition under Florida Statute Chapter 316 as a road, street or highway, the SCSO has no jurisdiction to enforce violations on the multi-modal paths that exist on District property. Valerie Fuchs further stated the District cannot enter into an Interlocal Agreement with the SCSO to provide for the law enforcement of those multi-modal paths along Buena Vista Boulevard because the District does not have law enforcement ability to grant to the SCSO. Ms. Fuchs advised the District does have the
authority to place control mechanisms such as speed bumps or humps along the multi-modal paths to control speed if it so chose to do so.

I can think of many things that can be done by the district to help control golf cart speed without speed bumps.

Work with the Sheriff to measure the cart speed on the path and wait for the cart to cross a county road. If I'm not mistaken the offense would still be driving an illegal cart on a county road.

The district could just ban the driver or the cart from private property and ask the sheriff to assist with a trespass order.

Publish the names and pictures in the Sun of the speeders.

Ban speeders from the golf reservation system.

If speed bumps are installed the only winners will be the cart towing and repair services.

GeorgeT 08-23-2011 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowbirdtobe (Post 385561)
I can think of many things that can be done by the district to help control golf cart speed without speed bumps.

Work with the Sheriff to measure the cart speed on the path and wait for the cart to cross a county road. If I'm not mistaken the offense would still be driving an illegal cart on a county road.

The district could just ban the driver or the cart from private property and ask the sheriff to assist with a trespass order.

Publish the names and pictures in the Sun of the speeders.

Ban speeders from the golf reservation system.

If speed bumps are installed the only winners will be the cart towing and repair services.

Wow, pretty drastic stuff.

skip0358 08-23-2011 05:14 PM

A question
 
If they have no law enforcement juristiction why does the sherrifs golf cart ride them and why do they get called for an accident ?

Shimpy 08-23-2011 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowbirdtobe (Post 385561)
I can think of many things that can be done by the district to help control golf cart speed without speed bumps.

Work with the Sheriff to measure the cart speed on the path and wait for the cart to cross a county road. If I'm not mistaken the offense would still be driving an illegal cart on a county road.

The district could just ban the driver or the cart from private property and ask the sheriff to assist with a trespass order.

Publish the names and pictures in the Sun of the speeders.

Ban speeders from the golf reservation system.

If speed bumps are installed the only winners will be the cart towing and repair services.

Lets really crack down on outlaws that are driving 22 mph in a golf cart. I suggest pull all law enforcement officers that are on patrol for red light runners and school zone speeders, and use them to patrol the streets looking for fast golf carts. If we assign priorities we don't really need officers covering armed robbery and rape when we have golf carts flying around at 22 mph. We also could have the SWAT team members doing a more meaningful job watching golf carts. Seriously now, how much harm is done by a golf cart driving 2 mph over the limit? Does it endanger you? Does it bother you that he passes you? Would someone please give me a good answer. I'd hate to call the police because my home is being broken into and have a response delay because the cop was hiding behind a tree looking for a fast golf cart. A lot of people have it in their head that once a law is written that it is the way it should be. What if the law said that golf carts could go 25mph? Now going 22 mph wouldn't be a problem would it? Perfectly safe now.

LivingLarge 08-23-2011 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Shimpy (Post 385581)
Lets really crack down on outlaws that are driving 22 mph in a golf cart. I suggest pull all law enforcement officers that are on patrol for red light runners and school zone speeders, and use them to patrol the streets looking for fast golf carts. If we assign priorities we don't really need officers covering armed robbery and rape when we have golf carts flying around at 22 mph. We also could have the SWAT team members doing a more meaningful job watching golf carts. Seriously now, how much harm is done by a golf cart driving 2 mph over the limit? Does it endanger you? Does it bother you that he passes you? Would someone please give me a good answer. I'd hate to call the police because my home is being broken into and have a response delay because the cop was hiding behind a tree looking for a fast golf cart. A lot of people have it in their head that once a law is written that it is the way it should be. What if the law said that golf carts could go 25mph? Now going 22 mph wouldn't be a problem would it? Perfectly safe now.

Oh Oh, can of worms. But I know someone who would say "Ditto".

Bogie Shooter 08-23-2011 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by skip0358 (Post 385577)
If they have no law enforcement juristiction why does the sherrifs golf cart ride them and why do they get called for an accident ?

I assume the accident happened on a county owned road, why wouldn't the sheriff be called?
Where is this sheriffs golf cart riding the multi-model path?

Bogie Shooter 08-23-2011 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snowbirdtobe (Post 385561)
I can think of many things that can be done by the district to help control golf cart speed without speed bumps.

Work with the Sheriff to measure the cart speed on the path and wait for the cart to cross a county road. If I'm not mistaken the offense would still be driving an illegal cart on a county road.Who is going to do this and how is it going to be paid for? What if they never cross a county road?The district could just ban the driver or the cart from private property and ask the sheriff to assist with a trespass order. Publish the names and pictures in the Sun of the speeders. This is similiar to a prostitution sting....great idea?Ban speeders from the golf reservation system. What about tennis or pickle ball players, or line dancers, water polo players? If speed bumps are installed the only winners will be the cart towing and repair services.Not a good idea either.

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Challenger 08-23-2011 07:51 PM

I've never seen a police vehicle of any kind patrolling the multi modal paths. Has anyone ? :shrug:

skip0358 08-23-2011 08:13 PM

Sheriff Golf Cart
 
Has been seen on Morse Blvd GC trail also by Sea Breeze and coming south on Buenna Vista fron LSL.

dillywho 08-23-2011 09:13 PM

Maybe I'm not looking at all of this right, don't mean to offend anyone, but I do have opinions like everyone else on here. Here goes...

It seems to me that the speeding issue comes down to what's happening in many areas of society today and it's the "me, me, me" attitude. Whatever I want to do no matter if there may be consequences to others. It's the same with the rude parking issues in the squares. Who cares if you get blocked in...you're where I want to park. My cart's nicer than yours so I deserve the whole space. And on and on it goes. Are there always bad consequences? Of course not, but sometimes they are bad. This place is supposed to be for everyone's enjoyment...not just a select few. It seems to be getting more and more the latter, unfortunately. I thought most of us came here to enjoy life and get away from the proverbial "rat race", not bring it along. As far as getting passed by faster carts....happens all the time to us. I don't really care because I don't have to be anywhere first. Go for it. I get there when I get there at my little 19.6.

If the speed is set to 25, then you will have those that have to go 30. Set it to 30 and they will have to go 35. The same thing happens on the highways and roads all the time. Speed limit is 35 - go 45+; speed limit 70 - go 80+; speed limit 85 - go 100, etc.

Why?

BTW, if you do have an accident with your golf cart on the paths, are you saying you don't think SCSO should be called since they don't have any jurisdiction on the paths anyway? How would that affect an insurance claim?

Shirleevee 08-24-2011 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Challenger (Post 385633)
I've never seen a police vehicle of any kind patrolling the multi modal paths. Has anyone ? :shrug:

I saw the Golf Cart Sheriff twice, once at the V.A. Clinic and once ...opps can't recall, I took a picture of the cart.

hedoman 08-24-2011 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by GeorgeT (Post 385328)
hedoman,

I would say that you cannot be ticketed on a cart path just as you can't be ticketed on the golf course for being a bad "driver" get it....driver...golf course..ha,ha. Sorry I just woke up and my sense of humor hasn't yet!

You can only be ticketed on public roads.

George,
You crack me up! Is that like beer on the golf course? Don't "drink and drive"

ROTFL

GeorgeT 08-24-2011 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by hedoman (Post 385713)
George,
You crack me up! Is that like beer on the golf course? Don't "drink and drive"

ROTFL

Wow! You get up earlier then me!

I can hardly drive when I don't drink imagine if I did drink and drive. I have a tee time later today and was thinking about using a designated driver!

I hope people know what we're talking about otherwise I'm in trouble!

:icon_wink:

GeorgeT 08-24-2011 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by dillywho (Post 385669)
Maybe I'm not looking at all of this right, don't mean to offend anyone, but I do have opinions like everyone else on here. Here goes...

It seems to me that the speeding issue comes down to what's happening in many areas of society today and it's the "me, me, me" attitude. Whatever I want to do no matter if there may be consequences to others. It's the same with the rude parking issues in the squares. Who cares if you get blocked in...you're where I want to park. My cart's nicer than yours so I deserve the whole space. And on and on it goes. Are there always bad consequences? Of course not, but sometimes they are bad. This place is supposed to be for everyone's enjoyment...not just a select few. It seems to be getting more and more the latter, unfortunately. I thought most of us came here to enjoy life and get away from the proverbial "rat race", not bring it along. As far as getting passed by faster carts....happens all the time to us. I don't really care because I don't have to be anywhere first. Go for it. I get there when I get there at my little 19.6.

If the speed is set to 25, then you will have those that have to go 30. Set it to 30 and they will have to go 35. The same thing happens on the highways and roads all the time. Speed limit is 35 - go 45+; speed limit 70 - go 80+; speed limit 85 - go 100, etc.

Why?

BTW, if you do have an accident with your golf cart on the paths, are you saying you don't think SCSO should be called since they don't have any jurisdiction on the paths anyway? How would that affect an insurance claim?

Dilly,

You're right. People are people and this place is a mix of all types. People pass me and I pass people sometimes too. (my cart isn't modified) I'll only pass someone if it's safe and they are going less than say 15-16mph mostly just because it's easier to drive with the pedal to the metal. Yesterday I had an exception. I forgot about a 9:12 tee time and was very, very late. I passed someone who was going about 15mph on the trail and yelled as I passed "Sorry, I'm in a hurry". I got a dirty look and deserved it but as they say "poop happens". So no matter how nice of a guy I think I am while driving my cart I screwed up yesterday. The funny thing was that when I arrived at the clubhouse I was actually a day early cause my tee time was for today! I'll make up for it today by leaving early and letting someone pass me to balance out the world again.:police:

LivingLarge 08-24-2011 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by GeorgeT (Post 385734)
Dilly,

You're right. People are people and this place is a mix of all types. People pass me and I pass people sometimes too. (my cart isn't modified) I'll only pass someone if it's safe and they are going less than say 15-16mph mostly just because it's easier to drive with the pedal to the metal. Yesterday I had an exception. I forgot about a 9:12 tee time and was very, very late. I passed someone who was going about 15mph on the trail and yelled as I passed "Sorry, I'm in a hurry". I got a dirty look and deserved it but as they say "poop happens". So no matter how nice of a guy I think I am while driving my cart I screwed up yesterday. The funny thing was that when I arrived at the clubhouse I was actually a day early cause my tee time was for today! I'll make up for it today by leaving early and letting someone pass me to balance out the world again.:police:

Why would you get a dirty look? I would think that, just like in a car, it's perfectly fine to pass someone. No?

tpop1 08-24-2011 07:58 AM

You said it well.....
 
:agree:
Quote:

Originally Posted by dillywho (Post 385669)
Maybe I'm not looking at all of this right, don't mean to offend anyone, but I do have opinions like everyone else on here. Here goes...

It seems to me that the speeding issue comes down to what's happening in many areas of society today and it's the "me, me, me" attitude. Whatever I want to do no matter if there may be consequences to others. It's the same with the rude parking issues in the squares. Who cares if you get blocked in...you're where I want to park. My cart's nicer than yours so I deserve the whole space. And on and on it goes. Are there always bad consequences? Of course not, but sometimes they are bad. This place is supposed to be for everyone's enjoyment...not just a select few. It seems to be getting more and more the latter, unfortunately. I thought most of us came here to enjoy life and get away from the proverbial "rat race", not bring it along. As far as getting passed by faster carts....happens all the time to us. I don't really care because I don't have to be anywhere first. Go for it. I get there when I get there at my little 19.6.

If the speed is set to 25, then you will have those that have to go 30. Set it to 30 and they will have to go 35. The same thing happens on the highways and roads all the time. Speed limit is 35 - go 45+; speed limit 70 - go 80+; speed limit 85 - go 100, etc.

Why?

BTW, if you do have an accident with your golf cart on the paths, are you saying you don't think SCSO should be called since they don't have any jurisdiction on the paths anyway? How would that affect an insurance claim?

:agree:

The speed limit is 20 MPG, go 20 MPH.

Barefoot 08-24-2011 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Challenger (Post 385633)
I've never seen a police vehicle of any kind patrolling the multi modal paths. Has anyone ? :shrug:

Yes, I've seen police on MM paths with motorcycles.

getdul981 08-24-2011 02:01 PM

I've done it and everyone does it, but I have been told that it is illegal to cross the solid white line on the streets in order to pass someone.

GeorgeT 08-24-2011 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Challenger (Post 385633)
I've never seen a police vehicle of any kind patrolling the multi modal paths. Has anyone ? :shrug:

Ahhhhhh....It's the ones that you don't see.

clekr 08-24-2011 02:22 PM

I have seen a Sumter County deputy in a cart on the MM near Arnold Palmer. About a year ago. He was heading south.

mrfixit 08-24-2011 03:34 PM

The Fuzz
 
....Have seen SUMTER Sheriff Cart with RAY-GUN in "Caroline" Postal Station.......then....their cohorts in cars waiting in "Coconut Cove" Rec Center driveway

rubicon 08-24-2011 04:12 PM

On the way to the course this AM I came upon a golf cart going 11-12 MPH, I passed at 16-17 mph and saw the look on the driver's face that read "this guy is passing me overe 30 mph:D

On the way back home I came upon two more carts going 11-12mph. One driver just pulled over and let me go by at 16-17mph. However when I got the the next cart she just went truckin along until I found a clear flat and straight portion of the cart path to pass again 16-17 mph.

I could not see one car in my travels this AM that exceeded 19 mph

Bogie Shooter 08-24-2011 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrfixit (Post 385933)
....Have seen SUMTER Sheriff Cart with RAY-GUN in "Caroline" Postal Station.......then....their cohorts in cars waiting in "Coconut Cove" Rec Center driveway

Were they checking people on the street??

LivingLarge 08-24-2011 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 385942)
On the way to the course this AM I came upon a golf cart going 11-12 MPH, I passed at 16-17 mph and saw the look on the driver's face that read "this guy is passing me overe 30 mph:D

On the way back home I came upon two more carts going 11-12mph. One driver just pulled over and let me go by at 16-17mph. However when I got the the next cart she just went truckin along until I found a clear flat and straight portion of the cart path to pass again 16-17 mph.

I could not see one car in my travels this AM that exceeded 19 mph

As Albert said "It's all relative"

GeorgeT 08-24-2011 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by clekr (Post 385911)
I have seen a Sumter County deputy in a cart on the MM near Arnold Palmer. About a year ago. He was heading south.

I think I saw that one too except that he was heading north and he had Elvis pulled over!

Bogie Shooter 08-24-2011 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeorgeT (Post 385968)
I think I saw that one too except that he was heading north and he had Elvis pulled over!

There are a lot of Elvis impersonators in TV.:coolsmiley:

villagegolfer 08-24-2011 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 385976)
There are a lot of Elvis impersonators in TV.:coolsmiley:

Wow, isn't this place cool???? :beer3:


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