i'd like to make 1 small point during this whole event: there is a small segment of our population, that when faced with draconian methods of restriction, will simply rebel. i saw a story about 1 of these states that has been on severe lockdown, & the young people are no longer participating. they became fed up with the mass restrictions & are now gathering in large groups @ beaches, etc, in direct defiance of the law. (the students far outnumber police, btw) they participated @ 1st, but increasing steps limiting contact pushed them over the brink, & now they are doing as they please. i'm not recommending this, just something i saw/heard reported. so, i pose the question: is there a happy medium in all of this? thx

Don't know if you know this or not but they would need a "Visitor's Pass" inorder to play Golf or even Pickleball which these facilities are still open to us..
So that means they would need to stay inside the house....
Enjoy you visitors but keep them inside especially if they come from NY...

Your forgetting Golf Courses and Pickleball Courts which are still open....

Visitors from NY,NJ & CT & people housing them should stay in the hosts house from 15 days after the guests arrive, your clock is reset every time someone new descends on you--be smart--tell family & or friends don't come

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You shouldn't be somewhere where you have to get on a plane, if you're the one that has to get on a plane. I know you probably were already there & you have to get home. Personally I would of rented a car & I don't care if I had to drive coast to coast to get home, no way I would get on a plane right now. Also if I was that worried about it I would sleep in my car & not in a hotel on my way home. Anybody that got themselves in a situation that they have to take a plane to get home, well not trying to sound mean but just got to suck it up & quarantine yourself there or take your chances & fly home. We drove to Florida from Texas while Caronavirus was already bad & I rented a car & I wipe the whole inside of the car down with bleach water. I drove it all in 1 day there & when I came back too, a week later! In your defense, no you can't fly without rubbing shoulders with anybody or prevent from breathing recycled air in plane. I know I wasn't much help answering your question but if it's you that needs to get on a plane, you're sure got yourself in a pickle of a mess!

Maybe, just maybe we have to much FREEDOM and do what ever the hell we think we can do? :shrug:

When you meet a New Yorker that you can direct in any way send us a picture of the person. It ain't happening!

Term Limits!

I totally agree with you. People from New York and New Jersey should stay in their own state. We are full time residents in TV. What about the "landlords" here that lease their houses? How is that monitored? We, as residents, need to know who is moving in next to us.

Why are you calling all the people coming from NY refugees?? Maybe they are stock brokers, store owners, CEO's, etc. who have money to get out of the city.

People getting off plane asked about self quarantine, all laughed and said no.

Not all are fleeing the city. I typically come down once a month to check on Dad at his assisted living facility. Even though I speak to him daily I like to see him for myself. Luckily I listened to my hunch to come early this month before visitors were banned from his facility. I did lots of hand washing and no hugs. No time in the squares,stores or visiting Dad's previous neighbors.

The governor out this into effect yesterday with no notice. Exactly how is this being enforced? What are they doing about, cars, trains and buses?

Not everyone is coming here to escape. My biggest concern is that my Dad is safe. I have no issues about not seeing him due to the risk.

Why do you think that refugees can't be stock brokers, store owners, CEOs, etc, who have money?

A refugee is ANYONE who flees for their lives from one place to another, in search of safety. The need to seek refuge knows no class or bank account balance.

I am a native New Yorker and have lived permanently in The Villages for 10 years so I have to agree with DeSantis and even go further to say shut down New York flights from anywhere in the country. This will all get worse before it gets better.

OP here. My post was hypothetical. I, personally, am not going anywhere and think everyone should stay home including New Yorkers. I’ve felt this way for, at least, the past 3 weeks and cringed at the cavalier attitudes of many on this board (now backpedaling) and some Villagers in general. Restaurants/bars had to be shut down to keep people away. Otherwise, they’d crowd in.

We just had groceries delivered by Instacart/ Publix left on front stoop. Pretty simple, than took to our cleaning table in garage and sanitized them the best we could.

I,m on my 3rd week of isolation and inspite of those not isolating i'll stay isolated until we get the " all clear" So far not that bad...

Unfortunately, the aged, higher-risk population of The Villages and lack of hospitals would probably make it more like Italy or Spain than NY.

One point I think many may not be aware of: one big reason NY is such a "hot spot" for Coronavirus is that they've been TESTING much more aggressively than most places. More tests = more positives. I suspect it's nearly as bad here already, we're just not doing much testing yet.

Just heard news that US military members who are stationed overseas have been ordered to “Freeze in Place” for 90 days.
The US military is trying to keep personnel where they are so movement of the virus is also restricted.

US military restricts movement of troops due to COVID-19 - Task & Purpose

NY NJ CT PA should have a similar order from Feds with flights, buses and interstate car rentals banned for awhile allowing only for very rare exceptions.

FL should announce that in-bound flights will be restricted to FL residents only for awhile & check drivers licenses.

Or do nothing. Madrid is turning their ice rink into a morgue.

Spain coronavirus: Ice rink turned into a morgue amid outbreak - CNN

Part of it ...

other factors ... DeBlasio waited too long to close schools while he kept going to the gym.

His Health Director is also apparently incompetent.

Plus, people are stacked up and squished together like sardines.

What does NYs “remain in place order” mean if they allow hundreds of airplanes to leave every day?

I guess that’s one way to lessen the burden in NY.

Come to think of it, I have not heard FL Gov Desantis publicly asking for thousands of ventilators but NY Gov Cuomo has been publicly demanding every day that 30,000 more ventilators are needed in NY.

Nope! Population of NYC as percentage of USA approximately 2.4% but death from Covid -19 in NYC is approximately 22% as percentage of total USA today. (Whether or not they were tested.)

If you were there, wouldn’t you want to get the hell out of there?

Yes, I would. But this is a textbook case of why we need to ENFORCE quarantines.

The title of this thread is incorrect, the self quarantine requirement is not for people who have been in New York City. It is for all people arriving to Florida on a plane that took off from an airport in the states of New York, New Jersey, or Connecticut. We have not been to NYC for many years, and if I get my way I will never go there again. We also don’t live in any of these three states, we live in an extremely rural part of western Massachusetts where we can stay home for an entire weekend without a car going by our driveway. However, this restriction effects us since the only airport close to us, that has direct flights to Orlando, is in Windsor Locks, Connecticut. I understand the need to be safe and we don’t want to fly anytime soon, but this restriction is not well thought out and is ridiculous. What if there was an emergency that required us to get to our Villages home, how could we even get from the airport to our home and then pick up some food while in self isolation? The Florida governor screwed up big time by not closing spring break venues and is now overcompensating to try to save face.

I agree. I was also thinking about going down to my home in TV when my school closed here in Long Island NY. But there was no way I would take the chance and travel whether it be by plane or car. I've been in my house and haven't left. My daughters did the food shopping for me. I can't understand why anyone would take the chance. You cant drive without stopping to use bathrooms, and you can't avoid not being around people at the airport. People don't listen and make their own rules and this is part of the problem. And this is why it's spreading . Also because of the HIPPA laws, you can't disclose information on someone who has it. When you work in a big school like I do, it doesn't help to hear that a person in a particular dept. tested positive and week or so later through the grape vine. We all walk the same halls, go to the same faculty cafeteria and use the same restrooms. This is a big problem. You are not contacted unless you were in immediate contact with the person. NY needs to stay home!! Be well and stay safe.

Isolate in the home you are going to. If you are going to visit someone, you are a fool and an ass. Really kinda simple if one was to use what is called a brain.

The virus is airborne for short term and planes recirculate air in a small space. I would not fly now unless all passengers and crew recently tested negative. Ain't going to happen in Florida. Florida doesn't test unless you have strong, definite symptoms.
IMHO they should be testing everyone working in food service, health care, about to fly or travel in confined spaces, or service businesses in contact with the public. Identify the positives and order them to self-quarantine or modify their plans until they are safe. High risk contact activities.
Right now projections for the ability of Florida to handle the pandemic load are terrifying.
The virus survives on surfaces for hours or days also. We will travel by car or gc for the time being.

With all the rec centers closed, how would one get a Visitor Pass ?

They are now, this action was first taken in the Florida hotspot areas (Dade, Broward and West Palm Beach) and is now being rolled out to less affected areas

Projections from what source? The media is trying to keep you as scared as possible for many reasons

If you had to come here and self quarantine there are many restaurants doing free delivery and Publix delivers.. We are all in this together as well as the over 65 community in The Villages. DeSantis killed spring break very quickly despite what you read in Massachussetts

There is nothing you need a visitors pass for. Nothing is open requiring a pass..

I thought the same thing but someone said GOLF and PICKLEBALL is. Hopefully after the infected pickleballer spread his Covid all around the court they will close that too.

The next wave of exodus from Democrat/controlled high-tax states will undoubtedly be accelerated by their recent scary demonstrations of poor controls over public health, followed by their heavy-handed governmental lock downs. People of means will use their assets to protect their a** by moving south. It’s a good thing TV has already planned for massive expansion. FL could flip blue pretty soon.

Villagers won’t get Visitor’s Passes. Those are basically for activities and with the exception of golf all the rest is shut down

You could drive. It'd take you less than 2 days if you take turns driving and only stop for meal, bathroom, and gas breaks.

This is about dozens of people, none of whom have been *medically* screened, climbing into an enclosed air-tight cabin with recycled air for several hours and then released elsewhere to do whatever damage their germy little selves can do. Multiple times per day, nationwide (in our case - in Florida).

If it's an emergency:

your house won't stop burning down because you got there in 6 hours instead of 30 hours.

your mom won't stop dying because you got there in 6 hours instead of 30 hours.

your cat won't cease to be lost because you got there in 6 hours instead of 30 hours.

There is no emergency in Florida, that won't either resolve, or continue, by the time you can a) get to an airport, b) find a flight that's actually going there, c) wait for that flight, d) arrive in the Florida airport, e) acquire transportation from the airport to your house.

If your house blows away in a tornado, it'll continue to cease to exist while you drive down to inspect the damage.

And in the meantime, you won't be exposed to who knows how many people that might be infected and not even know it yet...

and in the meantime, you won't infect everyone in the airport when you get off the plane - and THEY won't infect their families when they get home...

all because - Florida asked you to self-quarantine for 14 days if you come off a flight that flew out of NY, NJ, or CT.

Pretty simple really. It's not that big of a deal. Not even if it's an emergency.

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Me too, but it is getting difficult mentally to deal with it. Sometimes I feel like I'm in jail. Other times it's just boring to stay at home day after day. I hope this will be over soon but I don't really think it will. I continue to do it because I am afraid to get the virus.

The main problem is that there are too many of them, they are infected and based on interviews at the airport there is a very high probability they will not be self quarantined. So they will exponentially spread the corona virus to the rest of the residents inThe Villages via Publix, Walmart, gas stations, Lowes, etc.

Agree, but there are a few considerations you have not addressed above:

#1---those that own here and are not in need of "visitor pass"

#2---Those that have homes sitting vacant normally this time of the year and would LOVE to see $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ from those that are trying to "escape" high infection areas. Do you really think that if a potential renter paying to escape that owner would decline????

Why would people escaping death from NY not self isolate? The main reason I can think of is food and supplies, as long as they can get food (especially) delivered, they will likely isolate. No one knows how important it is to isolate than the “refugees” from the virus.

Delivery! Very important these days. Will help us all isolate.