I respect that opinion and course of action. But then, how do you explain to yourself the fact that the people in Australia, New Zealand and Japan all lead normal lives and have effectively overcome CV? They do NOT have an "either-or" life decision as we do. They closed down tightly and then contact traced diligently and it worked! They embraced science and took it seriously and told the truth to their population.

Doctor say if you wear a mask, don’t touch your face and wash your hands frequently you’ll be safe. I know that the virus can also go in through your eyes, so to be really safe, wear a mask and a shield

Australia and New Zealand are a small fraction of our population and Japan is an entirely different culture. They have been wearing masks for decades before this started and still are. Americans have a you can’t tell me what to do attitude.

For most, driving to Orlando is not "the end of the world" But for some........

As a great philosopher once said, "its NOT over till its over. If I were a predicting person, I would predict that TV Land gets hit with a CV spike in about Dec 1st because of the snow birds returning and the problems. There WERE only 2 CV deaths in one day recently in Fl. But the day before was 14. The cases in Fl have leveled off at around 3,000 per day. Deaths may be down because of better treatment and experience with the disease (such as keeping patients face down)? Or it could be possible undercounting? Either way, the CV experience can be short of death, but VERY torturous. And you CAN be reinfected and they are finding a good possibility of serious mental and physical long term problems. 30 % of recovering CV victims report long-term MENTAL FOG that prevents them form returning to work and a normal life. So, the big picture on CV is bigger than just a small number of deaths (for now). When you calculate YOUR risk of problems from CV, take ALL factors into consideration. Do not be just a sheep that moves with the HERD of optimism that is being circulated here in La, La TV Land.

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I think we can surmise that your opinion is that overall we Villagers are being too cautious about Covid-19?

Sally is facing a new challenge from an old enemy and is very wise to avoid any new threats to her health. That is because I know her. None of us wants to be considered weak or not brave. However, the decisions that people make here are often based on logic and their own circumstances, just as yours are Doc. Sir.

Same here. At minimum a second wave will come and I'll bet it will be at least another full year before the virus runs it course. I continue to stay as safe as possible. The upside is I also have NOT had a head cold, flu, strep throat, bronchitis, stomach virus, URI, tonsillitis, or pneumonia since before this whole pandemic started. LOL
The key is staying away from people in public places and following protocols. Masks may be an inconvenience but I sure don't want to end up on a ventilator!

Not at all. Overall, I would have kept the restaurants to 50% capacity, kept the squares closed and be very careful about what Rec center activities I would allow. There are some people who are going to be reckless no matter what, and others that are gripped with irrational fear--those are the extremes that I tend to address, the other 95% of us are generally being sensible, so I don't comment on them.

Wrong! Science did NOT, definitly NOT say that CV was going away in the summer. Some NON -SCIENCE (sounds like nonsense which it was) people said that. It is a little harder to find out the truth about any subject than it was before social media - but it is STILL possible. One must be open-minded and a better detective than before to hunt down the truth. I understand that it IS DIFFICULT. There is both Russian and domestic propaganda to wade through. There are minefields and "mind fields" to avoid. Watch out for obvious traps such as conspiracy theories and Qanon. Good luck!

Today’s report from the health dept shows 7 more in the villages since yesterday. Total 747 in Villages. The numbers go up everyday.Ok, they all don’t die but most are left with lingering problems. I know a young woman in her mid forties in excellent health, works out, eats right, and takes good care of herself with no underlying condition . She contracted COVID in March at work before we really knew what it was. She was hospitalized for two weeks and sent home. It is now mid Oct and she is still having problems, difficulty breathing, balance is affected, joint pain and fatigue. She was always such an upbeat person, always full of positivity, now she is a shell of her previous self. Has to go to physical therapy, breathing therapy and Doctor appointment after Doctor appointment. She is depressed and sees no end to her suffering. My heart breaks for her.

That is one of the greatest post that I have ever read here! Kudos. It was very strong on current events AND Science. And it had brevity, while still PACKING in the information - something I never seem to be able to do - I am jealous.

Oh well, you do what you gotta do. Personally, I am going to live my life and not worry about it. I have found that worrying does absolutely nothing. If I make a mistake and make the wrong decision, that is my problem not someone else's. I do not plan to "hunker down" at all. As a matter of fact, on Tue I took a nice ride and went to a restaurant where I saw absolutely no one wearing a mask and it was at full capacity. Not even the service folks wore masks. Like I said, I plan to live my life.
I wonder how many folks will die from worrying about this virus. Most likely they will deem it Covid related deaths.
I'll make a prediction. I will live my life and not die from the virus. If I am wrong and I do succumb to the virus and die, no one will know it on here, so it really doesn't matter. :icon_wink:

And the Villages keeps on trucking with hardly a death.
Consider this; how many more deaths this year than any other year in the Villages?

Florida Population 2020 (Demographics, Maps, Graphs)
Similar to Florida

Australia population 25,000,000 Florida 21,000,000, New Zealand 8,000,000

A sensible way to enjoy life while protecting yourself and others.:ho:

The case rate per million (or hundred thousand, or whatever) is more relevant than the population of a country.

Yes but Australia has a much larger land mass (roughly the size of the entire US) so the 25 million are already social distanced far more than Florida. It is very difficult to compare countries since they have different land mass, population and culture which is a big issue. Many populations are far more compliant than Americans, some because of the penalties for non compliance.

If you believe tags bull**** I’ll sell you a bridge !!

No different than if they died of heart disease, diabetes, stroke or accidenr.

Australia's population is centered around its coastal cities because that is where the infrastructure was built. The interior is not highly populated. 80% of the population is on the coast and its many cities. Have you ever been there? I can guarantee you there is little spread-out or distanced inside of Sydney, Melbourne, Darwin, Brisbane, Townsend, Hobart--the places I have been to. I have not been to Perth but am told it is also densely populated. I have friends in Adelaide that say the same.

The same is true of most places, including Florida. The greatest density of population in Florida is in 5 counties. My point is that it is very difficult to make comparisons of places with such differences in land mass, population and mostly culture. Though the government may be partly to blame I think the attitude of most Americans is the real issue.

I agree... however, as a person helping to care for an adult child with three chronic diseases and a low immune system, it's hard to make that decision to go out and be at risk and not hunker down. I guess I'm one of those that have to be in the anti-risk category. Thanks for your input.

Johns Hopkins says 141 COVID-19 Florida deaths reported yesterday. The seven-day-rolling death rate has been fairly flat at around 100 COVID-19 deaths/day since early September. During the same time period, current hospitalizations has been flat at around 2,100 (total in hospital being treated), seven-day-rolling cases flat at approx 3,000 cases/day. Things seem to be neither improving or getting worse.

Is this figure for just Thursday, or for the past 7 (or whatever) days, please

Who's to say they would've died from something else. So in that case don't get behind the wheel if a car, don't walk across a street, don't breathe... People you've got to be kidding me..

]Australia and New Zealand are a small fraction of our population and Japan is an entirely different culture. They have been wearing masks for decades before this started and still are. Americans have a you can’t tell me what to do attitude.[/QUOTE]

Japan is certainly a different culture.....a culture of obedience. If the Japanese authorities ordered all their citizens to cover their ass with their left hand when walking out in public, that's exactly what you would see. They are a closed society and don't have the freedoms that we have. :bigbow:

Well said, Doctor.

As per the Florida Covid-19 dashboard, the average number of deaths per day for the last 30 days is probably around 45. It is a bit hard to get an exact number since the deaths associated with each day appear to take some time to be reported so the exact number for each day can change for several weeks. For example, 2 deaths were reported yesterday (10/15). That number is likely to increase in the near future.

:bigbow:

Stay away from crowds, wear a mask, wash hands, social distance, use hand sanitizer.

Good post for people to be aware of.

I will go for the bait! On Prime I enjoyed "The Boys", "Utopia", "Defiance" and "The Vikings" season 1 - 4 which I missed many years ago. Plus misc Chinese made movies (the newer ones will surprise you how good they are). Plus some Sci/Fi movies. Who needs the real world with all that entertainment? I will come back to the real world when you-all make it right. Satisfied now?

[QUOTE=Byte1;1848315]I am not obligated to "protect" anyone. I am not getting paid to be a "protector, security guard, fire fighter, police officer" therefore if you fear someone that lawfully conducts themselves in such a manner not conducive to your preferences or implied needs or safety standards, then it is up to you to protect yourself. Therefore, if you see me without a mask, eye protection, gloves or hand sanitizer, you would be prudent to avoid any contact and stay out of the vicinity where any infection might occur. There is no law that stipulates that I must conform to anyone's standard of protection. If you observe me wearing a mask, you may assume that I am doing it for your protection, but in reality I will be doing it solely for my spouse's protection. In my opinion, it is your obligation to protect yourself, not mine to protect you. For some reason many on here seem to believe that we all care what happens to you and that we are here solely to perform or conduct ourselves to your whims. Sorry but hysterical guilt trips probably don't effect at least half of the population. I will stop and assist you if your car is broke down on the side of the road, but if you insist or complain that I do not have a mask on, I will turn and leave you stranded.
Stay "hunkered down" at home and you will have no complaint about what others are doing. Some of us take life threatening chances every day.
Everyone has their own idea of how far they will go to protect themselves against life ending circumstances. As I get older, my limit bar tends to rise higher almost on a daily basis. My bucket list is still active with plenty of items not yet crossed off, so I am not going to let a little bug scare me into hiding at home. And yes, I have had a couple of relatives die supposedly of COVID, but that does not put me in a panic.
So do what you gotta do, but don't presume to demand others change their lifestyles to suit you.[

Not scared of “a little bug” & saying people “supposedly” died of COVID19?
Really!
There’s no point in even trying to point out the flawed thinking here. It wouldn’t matter anyway. It’s pretty clear you aren’t interested in listening to anyone you don’t see in the mirror. I just hope you’re very old and just set in your ways. The adage that you can’t teach an old dog new tricks is appropriate. If I’m wrong about your age, then it’s even worse.

Why you’re breathing in microscopic spews all the time, even as you type.

But, but, I got tickets every night for the squares?

You have been bamboozled! The seasonal flu is just as serious. What about heart disease, cancer, etc. You can’t get outta this life alive. Enjoy it while you’re here. Chill! Turn off CNN and go for a hike, without your mask. Fresh air cures a lot of ailments. The people wearing masks touch their faces to adjust their masks 100 times more than without a mask. I thought we weren’t suppose to touch our faces? Unbelievable.

Agreed..
 

Recent emergency open heart surgery at barely 60, no warnings, no smoking, drinking or drug use 6'1" 188 lbs and very active work lifestyle.. Scared the crap outta me and hurt like hell for months afterward.. A few months later a nasty brown recluse spider bite that I'm still fighting (6months) along with 3 polyops (2 precancerous) a double esophageal stricture (fixed) abdominal hernial and internal hemorrhoid.. Yep a very active 16 months. So I hear if I get covid I have a 1% chance of dying...bwahahahahahahahaha!! I'll mask to protect others and try and social distance but as far as I'm concerned God couldn't be any plainer in telling me to get my butt out there and enjoy every second I got left and times a wasting..

You really need to change the channel.