I love it! :1rotfl:


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Great idea.

But how would they know the violations? If they did why are they there?

When I was in high school we used to toilet paper houses, only those of other kids we knew well and liked. It was an honor to have your house TPed. Now that was in NM, a relatively arid state. With the rain in Central Florida it would make a mess and we only did it to people we liked.

Once in a while we would put standing signs from business such as 'We have clean restrooms' in a favorite teacher's driveway.

Maybe someone could follow her home to find out where she lives, and as someone previously suggested, plant her a yard full of crosses, pink flamingos, whatever. Then everyone in the whole group could individually file reports on her.

Think about it, she drives up and down each street, in two villages. Writing 50 complaints in each village.

The possibility of a get even vendetta because someone turned her in, makes total sense.

However she must spend hours everyday driving up and down streets. Plus writing down each infraction.

Can you imagine when she calls community standards, how long it take to report 100 complaints. Think about working in that office phone rings, they know who is calling, and how much time they are going to have to deal with her. Instead of their regular work. The paperwork alone has to be mind boggling, much less taking each complaint. Even if she emails they still have to read them, fill out the paperwork and then distribute, to the compliance people.

Somewhere TV is going to figure out the amount of man hours one person is generating and find a better solution.

My guess is she maybe a very lonely person, thought she had friends, that turned her in. She must have felt betrayed by her neighbors, and this her her coping mechanism. Hoping she can find a better avenue to fix this, maybe volunteer at a shelter, or foster a fur baby, to take up some hours in her day.

I just feel bad for the office people.

Don’t. They get paid to deal with all kinds of nut jobs. Even those who are emotionally involved with their yard “art” to the point of seeking revenge for being asked to comply to standards they agreed to.

:agree: Bet they have a nickname for her!

Since it's BOTH on the Internet AND posted in your village chatroom then it absolutely must be true! LOL

I say ask for a recount. Sounds like fake news. :D

Maybe she's on commission?

and then, if CS finds that the same person/persons are filing frivilous complaints (complaints about things the person complaining about is making up, that aren't valid, are a total waste of CS's time and resources), or are clearly two neighbors who are catfighting and using CS as their weapon of choice, CS can confront the person making the complaints and tell them to stop it.

People on this thread are acting as though the only possible deed violations that can be complained about are statues/lawn ornaments and similar. A snowbird who isn't THERE to see that the landscaper missed a week, or a patch of grass has turned brown, can't bring the property into compliance because - he's not THERE.

If someone knows their neighbor isn't home, and has a beef with his neighbor, it's easy to call CS and complain that the grass is 1/2 inch over the max allowed. Or that there are exactly three weeds in the flower bed out front and that has to be dealt with immediately.

Or whatever else. People who make dozens of complaints in the same day, aren't just picking out statues to complain about. They're FINDING things that most people wouldn't even notice. They're looking for anything that could possibly be investigated. Or - they're flat out making things up JUST to cause trouble for someone they don't like.

CS has no way of monitoring this, because complaints are allowed to be made anonymously. CS should know exactly who is making every single complaint, and where each person complaining lives.

And - complaints should only be valid if they come from people with a valid Villages ID.

I agree with Gracie. If everyone was following the rules then there should be no issue. If people are not following the rules they agreed to when they bought the property then it's time time to look in the mirror and stop blaming other people for your own issues. Don't agree to the rules and then get mad at someone else because you aren't doing what you're supposed to do. To look for, make comments about, and try to attack the other person is extremely childish/toddler behavior.

I assume you mean "lawn" ornaments. To my understanding, lawn ornaments under the eaves of homes are allowed to be displayed. Lawn ornaments in any other location on the property is not allowed.

A phone call? How does that count as Community Standards checking out complaints?

I think the original intent was neighbors who had to look at others yards everyday could turn them in anonymously. It’s morphed to any one in the Villages could turn in anyone anywhere else in the Villages even if it is 10 miles away on a cul-de-sac they visited once on the day they wandered with their clipboard.

When I moved my final furnishings from up north to here the movers set a yard ornament in my front yard among some boulders. About a month later I noticed it and went to pull it out to put it in the back yard. I was stopped by my neighbors who liked looking at it every morning when they got their paper. So I left it there. Six months later I got a call from community watch saying I needed to move it, as it was handed in on a complaint along with many others in the neighborhood. Now the ornament sits in my backyard, where I can see it from the pool. Didn’t cost me a thing, but my neighbors were very disappointed.

If the complaints were limited to those in the same Village I would find the rules would make much more sense.

Maybe someone could follow her home to find out where she lives, and as someone previously suggested, plant her a yard full of crosses, pink flamingos, whatever. Then everyone in the whole group could individually file reports on her.[/QUOTE]

Now that's really funny. Thanks for the laughs.

If the complaints were limited to those in the same Village I would find the rules would make much more sense.[/QUOTE]

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Why focus on the reporter's motivation? Again, blame-shifting!!

If 50 reports result in 10 violations being corrected, how is that NOT a public service?

Will you feel the same when someone reports you twice a week for violations against your property, and CS has to check on you twice a week, for several months in a row to confirm that the violations are false?

Actually, I think I would. I even enjoy talking to telemarketers. I don't have any violations, but, if I did, I would want to get them fixed, and would welcome CS's help to identify them.

In my neck of the woods, that behavior is called stalking and harassment and a judge can sign off on a cease and desist for it. There was a family in a nearby town who encountered the same kind of thing. Someone in the household was wheelchair bound, and they had a handicap-equipped van in the driveway and were building a wheelchair ramp from the front step to the driveway. A neighbor thought it was unsightly, and started complaining on a weekly basis to the zoning department about the ramp.

'They're extending it two inches too close to the sidewalk' or "the material is 1/8" too thin" or "they're digging within 10 feet of the curb"...

None of what they were saying was true, and all the work has the proper licensing and permits issued.

The neighbor was issued a cease and desist, and did it again anyway, and was arrested for violating the cease and desist order.

That is the kind of thing I'm talking about, that can happen, and possibly already IS happening to some extent, in the Villages.

As has been speculated, my guess is that the person doing the reporting is someone who was turned in for his/her own violation(s), got angry about the unfairness of being singled out when others were getting away with the same thing, and decided to right those wrongs.

Honestly, I can understand that impulse better than I can homeowners who are mad at and urging a vendetta against someone who's following the reporting rules.

I thought planters were exempt.

Deed Restrictions
 

I would suggest that everyone read the restrictions for each District before a blanket accusation regarding violations is discussed. I just reread mine and many of the others. Not all have the same restrictions. Mine in District 3 differ in some areas from those in District 8, just as an example. What is a violation in one area (District) is NOT a violation in another.

Aw yes. I think. I was told. I heard.

Original intent is not known by any of us. What is known is that anyone can report a violation anywhere.

About a month ago I asked that very question, and was told by Community Standards that the lawn 'under the eves' is controlled by deed restrictions. On your porch is not controlled. So you have to change your lawn ornaments to porch ornaments to come into compliance.

And when u signed up to get a drivers license you agreed to abide by the law. Bet u speed on morse all the time

But, if you get a ticket, you blame your self, not the troll (I mean police).

After reading what you have written, am I to understand that allowing lawn ornaments under the eaves is actually a myth? Some deed restrictions do allow lawn ornaments under the eaves and some do not?

I'll never understand why the deed restrictions are not the same throughout the entire community (all of The Villages). Who actually makes up these deed restrictions?

Y’all are making such a mountain of a molehill. If you put something out and it’s reported and in violation, a very polite CS person will tell you about in a very nice way. At that point, you comply. No penalty. No big deal.

Some posters seem to think they’ll be shot at sunrise or publicly stoned. Lighten up. Life is too short. Namaste.

The deed restrictors of course. :icon_wink:

I only know that south of 466 'under the eves' is a myth. What I don't know is why the myth exists. Maybe an extension of the looser restrictions above 466 (just a guess).

Here is why the restrictions vary among the districts. Once the restrictions are created for district, they are not changed. As each district is built, its restrictions are created and can be different than the previously built districts. Those that follow can be different still. The older districts continue to live under restrictions created for them.

Hope that helps.

Of course......that makes sense.

Thank you for your succinct reply.

I disagree with that but i can understand your point. But by a complaint driven the complaint is enforced but the neighbor next door can be also guilty of the exact same thing. Now we have selective enforcement.
I guess it is a loss loss for anyone that gets tattle tailed on.

Exactly. It is precisely selective enforcement, at the present time. The rules are ONLY enforced if someone complains. If no one complains, then the homeowner can do pretty much whatever they like.

I believe the real issue is someone making a legal claim of selective enforcement, which may mean they don't have to conform to the deed restrictions because of a lack of enforcement on similar violations. Selective enforcement has a different meaning than what you are referring to. I believe the current complaint driven system precludes this from happening (a legal claim of selective enforcement). I have seen claims of selective enforcement in a previous community and you really want to avoid this as it potentially costs money to defend. I believe The Villages made a very smart move by implementing a complaint driven system as long as all complaints are investigated and enforced uniformly so that a claim of selective enforcement cannot be made.

you hit the Nail right on the head! earlier in the post is what i was talking about who has the deeper financial pockets.

Bingo you are correct, but than it puts neighborhood trolls and tattle tails in full gear!

I'm not sure the depth of the pockets has much to do with it. If someone can show that Community Standards was selectively enforcing the deed restrictions then I doubt it would be difficult, or expensive, to get a ruling that their infraction cannot be enforced. In that case, all bets are off. I know people who have gone to court over deed restrictions in another community. I believe that is why they are not in the monitoring business and have limited their responsibility to enforcement of what is reported. I have never heard of anyone legally challenging selective enforcement here, presumably because there aren't any cases of it.

i get what you are saying but i don't think everything aligns that way if you know what i mean. A perfect example is the white crosses.
It is a religious belief to one person and a ornament to another.
Everything in the law is gray these days. Nothing is black and white anymore.
Our debate could be a health one but at the end of the day it is still all gray if your know what i am saying.