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ColdNoMore 12-23-2019 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1704089)
Of course you realize the previous owners probably set a sale price that included them recovering some or all of their bond. Look at it this way: Two identical homes right next to each other, let's say intrinsic worth of 300K each. One has a 30K bond, the other none. What do you think the sales price would be for each?

While intuitively it would seem that the sales price would take into account the balance of any bond, I don't recall ever seeing any 'comps' include the bond balance...when looking to buy 7 years ago.

In other words, both houses (given that they are essentially the same) would most likely be priced almost the same (primarily based on SF/# of bedrooms/garage size/Etc.), even though you're paying more overall...for the one with the bond balance.
:shrug:

Altavia 12-23-2019 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashley from UK (Post 1704083)
Yes around $7-$8k gulp, double our taxes in London !!!

And a massive bond at humongous 6% interest rate It may be better for us to clear it up front at that rate as UK savings rates are at best 0.5%...

It did re-ignite the discussion New down South or Old up North.

Bond interest rates currently are close to 4% for new construction.

Balanced, diversified investment funds are earning 2-3 time more than that currently in the US..

dewilson58 12-23-2019 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie0723 (Post 1704099)
Bond interest rates currently are close to 4% for new construction.

Balanced, diversified investment funds are earning 2-3 time more than that currently in the US..




Must add the monthly admin fee to get a true effective rate on the bonds.


Plus


Must take into effect the tax impacts on both sides.


Now you have a more accurate analysis.

crosby114 12-23-2019 07:46 AM

They will end up near Orlando if they keep this up.

golfing eagles 12-23-2019 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie0723 (Post 1704099)
Bond interest rates currently are close to 4% for new construction.

Balanced, diversified investment funds are earning 2-3 time more than that currently in the US..

If you know of a balanced fund that is paying 8-12%, long term, please share:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Kerry Azz 12-23-2019 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Sabrina&Bill (Post 1703714)
Hi, my wife and I are looking to move to TV next spring. Are you aware of any new ground breaking in the near future? I am thinking south Monarch Grove or Fenney? Thanks for your help!

Due to all the blasting in the Fenney area there is a lot of ground breaking.
Just a little holiday humor

psgolf@comcast.net 12-23-2019 08:22 AM

And where are all the golf courses for all these new homes ???

Annie66 12-23-2019 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Lottoguy (Post 1703923)
Geeesshhh after reading these posts were very happy we chose to live in the northern part of The Villages. Less traffic, more golf, more shopping and less taxes.

- not to mention, a much smaller bond payment.

bluecenturian 12-23-2019 08:37 AM

We currently live in Desoto. They are building in Deluna now and then will start on chirpy chatty (44 & 468). Have drove through Deluna weekly and my concern buying there would be the close proximity to the turnpike. You can hear the traffic. If you can hold off I would wait for chatty chatty.

Annie66 12-23-2019 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by crosby114 (Post 1704107)
They will end up near Orlando if they keep this up.

- I've often said in kidding that in 10 years, Orlando will be a suburb of The Villages. I'm not so sure that is a joke anymore.

Bogie Shooter 12-23-2019 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by psgolf@comcast.net (Post 1704121)
And where are all the golf courses for all these new homes ???

Answered many times on this site...…………………….

henry1224 12-23-2019 08:46 AM

The Village of KeY West
 
I will wait for a water view In the Village of Key West!

tophcfa 12-23-2019 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Annie66 (Post 1704124)
- I've often said in kidding that in 10 years, Orlando will be a suburb of The Villages. I'm not so sure that is a joke anymore.

I wonder how many times the airport shuttle will have to stop before it gets to Lake Sumter? When we bought, LSL was the first stop.

Chi-Town 12-23-2019 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1704111)
If you know of a balanced fund that is paying 8-12%, long term, please share:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

The Fidelity Balanced Fund FBALX has a ten year performance of 9.95%.

eweissenbach 12-23-2019 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Chi-Town (Post 1704147)
The Fidelity Balanced Fund FBALX has a ten year performance of 9.95%.

“Past performance is no guarantee of future performance”.

Silver Streak 12-23-2019 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1704146)
I wonder how many times the airport shuttle will have to stop before it gets to Lake Sumter? When we bought, LSL was the first stop.

Hey, maybe they'll eventually put in a light rail that runs all the way from Spanish Springs to the airport(s)! I can dream...

Already it's WAY too far to go by golf car from the southern to northern end or vice versa, even if all the bridges and tunnels were in place. A lot of Villagers would rather not have to drive their cars, so a good little light rail system would actually make a LOT of sense here. :)

golfing eagles 12-23-2019 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BrendaHB (Post 1704159)
Hey, maybe they'll eventually put in a light rail that runs all the way from Spanish Springs to the airport(s)! I can dream...

Already it's WAY too far to go by golf car from the southern to northern end or vice versa, even if all the bridges and tunnels were in place. A lot of Villagers would rather not have to drive their cars, so a good little light rail system would actually make a LOT of sense here. :)

And who gets to pay for it???:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Harry & Christie 12-23-2019 11:02 AM

How do you get groceries delivered if I might ask.

skip0358 12-23-2019 11:23 AM

Bought in Bonita 2009 one of the last areas to be built so we were told. A few months later land was being cleared S/O 466 A. Then the story continues. Key West is a long ways away well maybe not. Where you live is where you feel happy. Don't want to be to close to a major road and huge shopping area look inland away from it. More stores and shopping will be coming be patient. As for Golf Courses etc they to will come in time. Your here to relax and enjoy life. Sit back and enjoy the ride,

vintageogauge 12-23-2019 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Annie66 (Post 1704122)
- not to mention, a much smaller bond payment.

Less Trafic????

woodywdmt 12-23-2019 01:05 PM

900 people are moving to Florida each day! Math done!

Sabrina&Bill 12-23-2019 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dond1959 (Post 1703745)
DeLuna is north of Marsh Bend and it is close to the turnpike. Chitty Chatty will be east of Morse and just south of 44. Not sure when they will begin building there, infrastructure going in now. Lots of options you can see at the Villages website. There is a map.

Thank You for your reply! I am using the Villages app every day but the map is not very good at identifying the names of the Villages. I actually have made my own make and make notes on it. I will check the website to see if it’ any better.

Thanks Again!
Bill

Aw Man 12-23-2019 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BrendaHB (Post 1704159)
...... A lot of Villagers would rather not have to drive their cars ...... :)

I’ve been here 5 years now and I love The Villages, but this is still something I just don’t understand. Why, oh why, unless you’re going to and from a golf course, would anyone prefer to drive around The Villages in a golf cart rather than in their comfortable, climate controllable car?

Polar Bear 12-23-2019 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Aw Man (Post 1704195)
I’ve been here 5 years now and I love The Villages, but this is still something I just don’t understand. Why, oh why, unless you’re going to and from a golf course, would anyone prefer to drive around The Villages in a golf cart rather than in their comfortable, climate controllable car?

Really?

A couple miles to a square. A short ride to a sunset watching spot. A quick drive to a rec center to play billiards. Those times...among many other reasons...scream for a fun golf cart ride. :)

Sabrina&Bill 12-23-2019 01:46 PM

Yes, working with a Villages Agent
 
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Originally Posted by Marathon Man (Post 1703783)
Have you tried calling one of the sales office?

Yes, I am working with a Villages agent. I just wish the map on the Villiges app also identified each village.

Bogie Shooter 12-23-2019 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by eweissenbach (Post 1704158)
“Past performance is no guarantee of future performance”.

I experience this every time a play golf.:clap2:

Bogie Shooter 12-23-2019 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sabrina&Bill (Post 1704200)
Yes, I am working with a Villages agent. I just wish the map on the Villiges app also identified each village.

Ask your agent for a new paper map...….

dewilson58 12-23-2019 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Chi-Town (Post 1704147)
The Fidelity Balanced Fund FBALX has a ten year performance of 9.95%.





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Altavia 12-23-2019 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by eweissenbach (Post 1704158)
“Past performance is no guarantee of future performance”.

"You never make the shots you don't take"

One of my favorite charts.

https://ritholtz.com/wp-content/uplo...timportant.png

Altavia 12-23-2019 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1704104)
Must add the monthly admin fee to get a true effective rate on the bonds.


Plus


Must take into effect the tax impacts on both sides.


Now you have a more accurate analysis.

And factor in the unlikely odds that the home will sell for less because of a bond...

JimJohnson 12-23-2019 03:44 PM

I ask, if there is no reason, why are home south of 44 20 to 30 % less than homes north of 44? I say it is because of the Wildwood City Tax and lack of amenity. Yes, the homes are wonderful, but you are not really in The Villages down there. Sorry, I mean no offense, but buyer beware if you plan to buy south of 44.

FenneyGuy 12-23-2019 03:56 PM

Having to drive 10-15 minutes is no big deal. I remember traffic in Atlanta. Traffic and distances here in TV and south of 44 are no problem. Don't let anyone tell you not to buy south of 44.

I bought in and love the Village of Fenney.

ColdNoMore 12-23-2019 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JimJohnson (Post 1704231)
I ask, if there is no reason, why are home south of 44 20 to 30 % less than homes north of 44? I say it is because of the Wildwood City Tax and lack of amenity. Yes, the homes are wonderful, but you are not really in The Villages down there. Sorry, I mean no offense, but buyer beware if you plan to buy south of 44.

:popcorn:

eweissenbach 12-23-2019 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Aw Man (Post 1704195)
I’ve been here 5 years now and I love The Villages, but this is still something I just don’t understand. Why, oh why, unless you’re going to and from a golf course, would anyone prefer to drive around The Villages in a golf cart rather than in their comfortable, climate controllable car?

I have a hybrid car that gets better fuel economy than my golf cart. Still, I prefer to take that cart wherever and whenever I can. Maybe I’m in my second childhood and if so I have a lot of company in The Villages!

asianthree 12-23-2019 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JimJohnson (Post 1704231)
I ask, if there is no reason, why are home south of 44 20 to 30 % less than homes north of 44? I say it is because of the Wildwood City Tax and lack of amenity. Yes, the homes are wonderful, but you are not really in The Villages down there. Sorry, I mean no offense, but buyer beware if you plan to buy south of 44.

Still wondering why you think those who buy in the new area are not capable of making informed decisions, about taxes, and amenities.
Our oldest and his wife are both doctors, and the new area is where they are buying. Since they are not a brick and mortar shopper, stores are unimportant to them.

He finds those that are so negative against the new area, must be of his grandparents age. Needing the comfort zone of stores, and what ever amenities they need to cling to. He and his wife, are the bikers, runners, softball, basketball, and golf is not as important to them as his parents, and grandparents. He is not a fan of golf carts. Would rather drive his Benz.

As he put it those who retire at 50, need a more active lifestyle. New area gives them that experience

tophcfa 12-23-2019 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JimJohnson (Post 1704231)
I ask, if there is no reason, why are home south of 44 20 to 30 % less than homes north of 44? I say it is because of the Wildwood City Tax and lack of amenity. Yes, the homes are wonderful, but you are not really in The Villages down there. Sorry, I mean no offense, but buyer beware if you plan to buy south of 44.

Easy answer, no Championship golf south of 44

JoMar 12-23-2019 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1704234)
:popcorn:

Move over....this could get good.......:popcorn:

billethkid 12-24-2019 08:12 AM

know what they say about opinions.....they are like (bleep) everybody has one!!!!:popcorn::popcorn:

Dond1959 12-24-2019 09:09 AM

I started this because I thought it was amazing how far in advance the developer is thinking in terms of homes to already have plans for 60,000 new homes south of 470. But then it turned into the north vs south civil war, which is a shame.

On the lack of golf courses south of 44, I am a golfer that plays twice a week on championship courses and maybe once a week on Executive down south. It is not an problem for me to drive 30 minutes or less and get a free cart and play up north. I am 60 now so as I get older, hopefully a lot older, I may not want to drive. When this happens I suspect there will be at least a few championship courses down here and probably more executive courses if I want to dial back to just executives. Again, I am talking 15 years or more from now. I will also say there are very few golfers on my street and that really surprised me as I began to form my golf group down here.

Right now the amenities they have south of 44 are perfect for me. Connectivity, I really don’t care. More trails to ride my bike on, fantastic. Shopping, I have Amazon Prime for anything I want to buy and I don’t have to drive to a store. Groceries, a Publix 10 minutes away and WalMart in Leesburg less than 30 minutes away. Again, for me and my wife, these are no big deal and with the homes that are planned, the shopping will come.

Bottom line, we did our research, knew the bond amount and taxes, knew it was not connected and no guarantee of a date to complete, but love our lot and home down here in the frontier. We look forward to more people joining us as they build like crazy.

CWGUY 12-24-2019 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1704407)
know what they say about opinions.....they are like (bleep) everybody has one!!!!:popcorn::popcorn:

:icon_wink: Finish the statement...... "and they all stink!" :1rotfl:


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