I agree. I do not think I would take a dog to a restaurant but if your dog is really well behaved and you feel the need for canine companionship while dining....

My current dog Beau is too much of a beggar for food and a lap dog. He would be very confused if he was forced to choose between a lap and a piece of baked chicken. My former dog, Sport, would have been busier looking for somewhere to dig and not finding it in the concrete. Sport would be looking at the bordering plants and such for any kind of sign of a critter to dig up.

The fat cocker spaniel Amber we had would have loved this idea but she was blind and would be walking into the chairs.

Our Dalmatian, Ashes, would probably chase her tail, bite it, and spread blood all over the diners. She had done this in my car when I was coming back from Virginia Lake in Reno, Nevada and I had been very relieved to arrive home without having been stopped by some cop we thought I had some murdered body in the trunk and was the world's worst hit man with the blood still smeared all over the windows. I also do not think she could have stood still at a restaurant long enough for me to eat anything. Talk about hyperactive!

I have explained my handle in a couple of previous threads to people who asked the same question. We live here. We have to. We hate it. I am "Notta Villager" because I do not buy into the lifestyle.

To each his own. I really love the Villages but know that there are many detractors out there. You just need to do some searches on City-Data for instance to find them. Or, check the Orlando Sentinel blogs.

It's very simple, if dogs eat there, we won't.

Obviously, the restaurant has made a good business decision and it is what it is. So, don't go there. Plenty of people will.....with and without their dog. I for one love the idea and many, many more do to. It's all about decisions and ones own choice.

U win

Good point. I would go there but without my dog. I always liked to people watch. That was one of my favorite past times when I lived in Reno and was too young to gamble. Watching people interact with one another is quite fun and if you throw dogs in the mix too.

I will be concerned about the Health and Safety aspects.

Should the dogs tip the same percentage as humans?

Wow!
Well, at least when you cross Square 1 off your list, you'll have one less thing to hate.

We are here helping my wife's aged parents so they can stay in their Villages home. We do not live with them but nearby within their village. We are not retired. We don't care much for Florida, and we really don't like it here. But this is where we need to be right now. Should the time come that we are no longer needed here, we will sell our home and move on.

How true the song from 1972 is: Life is what you make it.

My cat would enjoy the patio at Square 1. She is very socialized around people, dogs don't bother her, and she likes red meat. Alive or dead.Attachment 40961

Funny! :mmmm:

I saw your can on a video.............
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-Opm9b2WDk

Wow. At first I wasn't sure what to think. Then I went back and read some of your other posts. Appears you really don't like much of anything whether it is Villages or something else like restaurants, stores, etc.

I know you say you hate it but you "have to" live here, but is a very recent post you specifically said you DON'T live in The Villages:

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Just a note on Jim Hill. I don't suspect this will effect too many folks, but it's good to know...Mr. Hill DOES NOT service anybody who doesn't live in TV. I called him, and he was very polite, but told me he doesn't work outside the boundaries of TV. He suggested Window Genie out of Leesburg for me.


While this is confusing, I do feel sorry for you. I would dread living like this in a place I hate as much as you do.

So do you live here, like you said, or do you not live here, also like you said?

I am not interested in playing this out on this board in this thread. If you are seriously interested in an answer then send me a PM.

I would rather eat with my pooch then most of the posters on TOTV.

Doggie Dine
 

I disagree with not letting our voice be heard on the pet areas for dining. Some the customers will no longer be dining along side of you.

I am not interested in spending $10.00 + to eat beside of your dog!

If this is most profitable for the owners and stockholders of Square I then
this maybe a good decision for them and move forward... but without (us)

Cross another 6 people I know will not be there....! But you will pick up an extra eater if we count the dogs in. So there is money to be made..

Look forward to their food
 

There are a few posters on TOTV with an attitude but most are pretty informative when they post and very nice people to meet. I agree it's too bad that some cannot comment or give an opinion and be "civil" about it.

Reasonable people will disagree at times. I think Square 1 Burgers CEO did a great job with her article. We will try them out in the comfort of their air conditioning----staying away from the smoking on the outside patio.

Our last dog, Candy, would have been fine on the patio. However, our first dog, Jip, would be too protective and I wouldn't feel comfortable taking him. But he was a "watch dog" when I had to travel on the job so someday we could enjoy the lifestyle of TV.

I look forward to trying the food and a beverage at Square 1 Burgers & Bar. :icon_hungry:

I would much rather have dinner on the patio with people's dogs than surrounded by screaming grandchildren throwing food. (And the dogs are probably much more hygenic than the typical 2/3 year old).

Don't like dogs? Go elsewhere. It is, after all, a free country. Just quit trying to pretend you are all for freedom when you insist on everyone living with your definition of "freedom".

So much for your good idea. I was hoping.

Looks like the CEO may have gotten the cart before the horse at least in the Villages as yesterday there was another article where they were requesting the Wildwood city council to consider an ordinance to issue a permit to allow dogs on their patio. This even though in another thread their representative and another poster said they were already in compliance with all laws as it had been checked out thoroughly before they opened. Apparently they have been allowing this without the required permit since no permit exists in Wildwood now and without the required permit it is not allowed.


May 12th , 2014 News Article you can Google it still if you desire.

http://www.**************.com/square...ng-restaurant/

Square 1 Burgers seeks approval for ‘doggie dining’ at its restaurant
May 12, 2014 By Meta Minton 81 Comments
Square 1 Burgers & Bar in Pinellas Plaza.
Square 1 Burgers & Bar in Pinellas Plaza.
Square 1 Burgers & Bar wants to offer “doggie dining” on the patio of the new restaurant in Pinellas Plaza in The Villages.
To do so, the restaurant must first persuade the Wildwood City Commission to approve an ordinance permitting dogs to dine alongside restaurant patrons.
It would be a first in the city of Wildwood.
“I don’t understand it, but I know it’s getting popular,” said Wildwood Mayor Ed Wolf.
The idea of an ordinance was presented to commissioners Monday night by Jason McHugh, Wildwood’s development services coordinator.
He said it is his understanding that other Square 1 Burgers locations offer doggie dining, including a special menu for canines.
The commissioners were open to the idea of an ordinance and will consider the measure at a future meeting.

I am sincerely sorry that you feel you have to be in a situation that you hate. Hating your life must be a miserable feeling. Obviously life has dealt you a hand that you did not expect. There is a saying that ...happiness in not in any place or with anyone person. Happiness is only found within one's self. I hope you can find some happiness in your situation.

No, they have only allowed dogs on the patio. They have not allowed them to eat there.

Square 1 Burgers & Bar

LOCATIONS

The Villages
2542 Burnsed Blvd
The Villages, FL 32163
352-689-2191

Operating Hours
Sun-Thurs | 11 AM to 10 PM
Fri & Sat | 11 AM to 11 PM
No Doggie Dining at this location


So, they are completely following laws and regulations. That's why they want to request approval to allow doggie dining. Good corporate citizens, and every consumer can make their own choices.

No problem with pets, but please people, leave them at home... you don't have to take them with you everywhere you go..

Maybe go back and read all the threads regarding this topic. This is not a HAVE TO, it is a want to and allowed to. It's so nice that a local restaurant is doing this for the folks who enjoy the company of their pets. There are many, many other restaurants that do not have the ability (legally) to offer this. It is only allowed on their patio. You and others who don't want to be around an animal can always go inside...or better yet sit outside and enjoy watching all the fantastic dogs that live here. There are so many wonderful breeds and so much fun to watch.

If you don't tell me what to do with my dog, I won't tell you what to do with your grandbabies. At least you can go inside to get away from my dog; I can't do that to get away from screaming kids. You don't have to take them everywhere you go...:icon_wink:

Well put!

Actually, the problem of screaming, bratty kids in restaurants is a good illustration of why dogs dining in restaurants in TV isn't a good idea.

Screaming, bratty kids continue to wreck others' dining experience because their parents LET them. Today's parents often just sit there with a feeble grin like they are powerless to stop such rudeness and disruptive behavior. They act useless and powerless, and the brat is clearly in charge. By screaming as if being axe murdered, the brat has the parents right where he wants them, and he can do as he pleases. We saw such an ugly incident at the square about a week ago and the kid was clearly in charge of the situation, with the mother pleading for the embarrassment to end, but it got worse.

Likewise, unruly dogs bother other people because their owners LET them. Like the bratty kids' parents, they refuse to discipline the dog and allow it to do whatever it wants, wherever it wants to do it.

The many dog poop threads here show how many dog owners say they "can't help it" if their dog goes onto somebody's yard to toilet there....as if they have no control over the dog on a leash.

Dog "parents" who refuse to discipline the dog as the bratty kids' parents refuse to are the reason I think there will be problems with various dogs who don't know each other in a restaurant with food being served.

Just as restaurant managers do not want to have to say "no" to people who refuse to discipline their kids, they're not going to want to say "no" to unruly dog owners, either.

Does anyone really think a restaurant manager is paid enough to take a stand in front of other customers and evict a dog owner whose dog is acting vicious and baring its teeth at another dog, patron, or the manager himself??? I don't think so.

It will depend on the permit granted or not. Time will tell.

I have yet to see an unruly dog in a restaurant setting. I have, however, endured many unruly children in restaurants.

And no restaurant manager has ever evicted an unruly kid whose parents are not in control.

Of course a manager would tell the owner of an unruly dog to leave, especially the way you describe this behavior......

tell the parents of an unruly child to leave?...never.

I've never ever seen an unruly dog at a restaurant. I've seen plenty of unruly kids. I don't believe the owner of a dog that has the potential to misbehave would ever bring the dog to a restaurant.....but they would bring an unruly kid.

They have a restaurant in Tampa that allows dogs on the patio and we have been there many times. Not once have we seen any problems, no barking, no growling or aggressiveness, and they don't relieve themselves on the patio. This restaurant is always jam packed and those that choose not to be around the dogs simply sit inside. Problem solved.

Not quite so on both statements and YES they have allowed them to eat there, check the facts...

A post from another thread on Square One...is shown below. from April 18th.

A local permit is required before even allowing dogs to be on the patio and requires following the health rules Florida has outlined.




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We went to Square 1 Burger last night with our dog. We dined outside and we had wonderful dinner, our dog , had chicken patty with fresh broccoli for 2.99.
Yes, they do have the cutest Doggie menu . In my opinion the food was excellent but a little salty and we just loved the idea that we can bring our dog.

Let's assume there are 50 restaurants in and around The Villages (and we know there are probably many more). Using the estimate, that leaves 49 other ones for you and every other person who objects to dogs on the patio at S1 Burgers.

On the other hand, the dog lovers have exactly ONE choice if they want to have their pet with them OUTSIDE on the patio.

Can't both sides of the argument get what they want with these odds?

If 1 or 2 or 3 people with SERVICE DOGS came INSIDE any restaurant, I doubt anyone would complain, and they shouldn't. Why does this one OUTSIDE option anger folks so much? YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PATRONIZE THE RESTAURANT, AND THE RESTAURANT IS OK WITH THAT.

It sounds like the world is full of unruly dogs, just waiting to wreak havoc on an outdoor patio. Please give dog owners some respect. I've never seen an unruly dog on a restaurant patio, never, and I've eaten on a lot of dog-friendly patios. Owners know the personalities of their dogs. Most of the time, the dogs are so quiet and docile that you don't even know they're there.

ONE post from someone who said they purchased something for their dog (nowhere did the poster say the dog ate it there on the patio - that would be against the rules of the restaurant at this time) does not make it a FACT. The Villages location clearly states NO DOGGIE DINING at this restaurant.

I don't assume everything posted on a message board is accurate. If I did, I would have believed the 7 month old email someone posted last month to make it look like a government official had opined on Square 1, when in fact they weren't even in business when that email was written.

And on April 15, you wrote: Never stops, I'm done, do whatever, unless they are following all these requirements which they are not they are breaking Florida State law...EVEN IF THEY HAVE A PERMIT

So apparently you don't know IF THEY HAVE A PERMIT.

Thank you, jayhawk. I think there is one other restaurant in TV that has the proper permits to allow dogs on their patio. I think it's Red Sauce. Or Cody's. Hopefully there will be more.

There are many restaurants in the Keys that have allowed this for years. Shoot, we were told by staff to bring our first golden inside one time at The Fish House in Key Largo, because it was too hot outside. They put us in a little out-of-the-way alcove booth. I'm sure it wasn't legal, but that's the Keys for ya.They are their own little kingdom. Key West is full of dog-patio-friendly restaurants, and in the six winters we spent there, we never heard a complaint in the newspaper or on a forum. It was just accepted practice.

Allowing pets on patios is a legal possibility in FL. A restaurant just has to apply for the permits. People will either get used to it or go elsewhere, but I don't think it will cause any of them to go out of business. The hotel industry has been forward thinking on this issue. It used to be impossible to find a hotel that accepts pets. People insisted on traveling with their pets. Lowes Hotels started out accepting pets, delivering a mat and bowls, a menu, and a goodie bag to your room. It was called Lowes Loves Pets. Hilton soon followed. The less expensive hotels started falling in line. Money talks. We will go where they are accepted, as will millions of others.

Frankly, we leave our 90-lb dog at home, for his own comfort, not anybody else's. He gets too hot outside in close quarters. But he would be among the best behaved dogs there. And he would love the chicken and steamed broccoli. Someday we might have a smaller dog, and then look out!

Just can't seem to want to follow the laws. It was totally accurate since Wildwood has not decided to issue permits even to this date. Get a permit, abide by the requirements of the permit then no one should have a problem, don't see why that is so complicated.

Really need to check your facts better, they were in business well before April 18th and even before a dog is allowed on the patio a permit is required which could not have happened since Wildwood has not decided to issue permits even at this time. No reason not to believe the poster that stated she/he took their dog there the night before since she/he is a fan of the doggie menu.





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We went to Square 1 Burger last night with our dog. We dined outside and we had wonderful dinner, our dog , had chicken patty with fresh broccoli for 2.99.
Yes, they do have the cutest Doggie menu . In my opinion the food was excellent but a little salty and we just loved the idea that we can bring our dog.

I have never met a stupid dog, just stupid owners. And they are few and far between in The Villages. That being said the worst case scenario is a stupid owner bringing his dog to a restaurant and subjecting him to second hand smoke.

Yes, they were in business before April 18, but they were NOT in business 7 months earlier when the email you posted to support your position was originally written. Probably just an oversight on your part.

Now that is a fact. At your suggestion, I verified it !