I have to agree with Bilcon. I take it you don't live on a golf course, otherwise you'd realize how dark it is.

If someone were up to something nefarious, do you think they would approach the well lit, possibly spotted by neighbor or community watch front side, or the very dark course side? Besides, you ARE permitted to walk on the street, you ARE NOT permitted to TRESPASS on the golf course

The championship courses are not support by the amenity fee. They are private property and utilizing them for something other than golf after paying the greens fee is TRESPASSING

Somewhere in the 120+ responses I must have missed where this was referring to only CHAMPIONSHIP COURSES. With a ratio of about 3.5:1 in number (though certainly less than that in miles of path) the odds were pretty good that at least some of the comments referred to Executive courses.

My excursions were definitely onto an Executive course, and only the 2 within walking distance to my home. And I never venture anywhere near a house. I agree totally with not infringing on someone's property, I wouldn't want it done to me.

I don't think you missed anything. I, on the other hand , was just referring to championship courses, so I think you understood this thread perfectly well. I have no idea whether the term trespassing could be used on exec courses since part of the amenity fee does support them. It may still be a "rule", but I doubt someone (as long as they are a Villager) could be charged with criminal trespass like they might on a championship course

Must be difficult dodging those balls all day but at least you have a place to bathe.

That's another falsity that needs to be cleared up. There are no "CART PATHS" unless one is referring to the diamond marked lanes in the streets which in reality even they aren't just "cart paths." The "CART PATHS" are actually MMP's (Multi-Modal-Paths). The problem is the cart drivers often THINK they are just "cart paths!"

The multi-modal paths are for use by NON-AUTOMOTIVE traffic such as bicycles, golf carts, pedestrians, and skaters.
From below:
Multi-Modal Path Information and Safety

I'm sorry you feel that way, but my point still stands...again, if I was walking at night on the course- no different than others walking on it all day.
Allot of people like to get out at night, enjoy the openness, breath the fresh air. I don't know about you, but if I was walking a course at night I would feel much safer being able to see the full circumference of my surroundings, rather than being on a street where someone could be hiding behind a car.

I doubt anyone that backs up to a course would feel unsafe sitting on their lanai seeing two 65 or older ladies taking a stroll, carrying a lantern at night.
They are only utilizing the venue that they too pay for.

What percentage of snowbirds are rentors?

Wrong....what's so hard to understand?

Does not apply to championship courses

Of course, I think that was stated pages ago.

The golf course is NOT your personal property. you only have some small area behind your house. ALL the residents pay taxes and the amenity fees. They should be allowed to use an empty golf course as long as they don't abuse it. They should NOT walk on the greens. A golf course IS a lot of space to waste when not used by golfers. ALL residents have to put up with some of the downsides to golf courses - like excess fertilizer runoff into the TV Land lakes, which causes blur-green algae, which produce an unhealthy gas when too plentiful.

Again, see post #131

Yes agreed. The amenity fee and sales tax. Even federal tax allows for national defense which protects the golf course from invasion by Russian troops. Bring the AK and the 9 iron comrade? The point is ALL TV Land residents SUPPORT the golf courses in SOME FASHION! Saying, "no trespassing" to residents seems ALL WRONG!

Well, that kinda goes to my point, one can't use a broad brush when painting the atrocities allegedly committed by Snowbirds, some of us are equally invested in TV as the full-timer.

On the flip side, I believe the same broad brush shouldn't be used to color renting Snowbirds as the culprits either. Not all those renting are wo due respect for another's property, just as not all owners have due respect of another's property.

It's probably more like it is with any problem, 5% of the population causing 95% of the problems.

But, the question REALLY is during TWILIGHT hours should RESIDENTS that pay for the golf courses through local sales taxes, amenity fees, other taxes, and DEGRADED LAKES - REALLY be considered disgusting TRESPASSERS or legitimate residents with "skin in the game" for ALL areas of TV Land and therefore - they have RIGHTS too!

And the running coach from up north said that he HAD rights to use that golf course. Why did he lose those rights JUST by moving to TV Land? - is TV Land a land dominated by GOLF DICTATORS!

Maybe build a wall. Keep those illegals out. MTVGA.

Do all communists feel this way????

Paid for by "degraded lakes"???? You have to be kidding!

How about the average golf course produces enough oxygen to support 4000-7000 people? Maybe the non-golfers should pay for the oxygen we let them breathe.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I would call Gov DeSantis maybe he could have lunch and sign a bill making it a minimum 5 years incarceration for walking on a golf course.

I agree with your attitude. Like a lot of things, it is best because it is MODERATE between the extremes of, "you are a DIRTY ROTTEN TRESPASSER" and you are allowed to walk right up to someone's backyard uninvited.

Take a deep breath
 

[QUOTE=Marcoguy;1960067]Tonight was the first time I saw someone walking their dog on the golf course. Well it was also in the sand traps, fairways and on the greens. The dog was everywhere. I know for a fact this is not permitted. However, people do whatever they want when the Golf Ambassadors are gone.
I’d like to walk the golf course myself, but I know it isn’t permitted. I guess it will continue until something gets broke or a green gets trashed by a dog.

There really isn’t anything you can do because I’ve tried. I called the villages community security about it but they just tell me it’s not their jurisdiction.
Oh well[/QUOTE

I think that you should lighten up. Don't sweat the small stuff. I doubt very much if a dog is going to tear up a golf course.
On the other hand if the dog is out there to do it's business and the owner doesn't bag it, is another story.

I kind of doubt that even the Championship Courses are SOLEY supported by USER fees. Was NOT the land given to the USERS for the purpose of selling more RESIDENTIAL property in TV Land (which drives up selling prices)? And ALL RESIDENTS pay various taxes, (property, sales, and Federal) which together pay for the local and State Police that enforce the NO TRESPASSING rules. The residents have, "skin in the game" for even the Championship Courses. Don't kid yourself!

[QUOTE=shortstack;1960986]And who is going to monitor the behavior of those that are trespassing on the golf courses? They've already shown a willingness to disregard the rules in the first place, so why does anyone think they will then be respectful of property that doesn't belong to them?
You wouldn't believe what happens on a golf course after the ambassadors leave. It becomes a dog park, a dog potty, cyclists riding on the fairways and greens, grandkids with fishing poles headed to a pond, people joyriding in their golf carts sometimes through sand traps and on greens, etc. And don't tell me it doesn't happen, because I've watched every one of those scenarios take place from my lanai. The easiest way to prevent it is to not allow anyone on the course who isn't playing golf----Oh, yeah, that IS the rule.

That's a crock of BS, and I think even you realize it.

And YOU have the RIGHT attitude in MY opinion. You are doing ZERO harm to anyone and are just using a resource that you paid for by BECOMING a resident - you are in effect RECYCLING the fresh air and beauty of the Villages that you came here for and PAID EXTRA to enjoy it. Fair is FAIR!

Don’t be so rude, you always have a smart reply.

Well there was that time I did walk right up to someone's backyard. I was on the course w friends who were golfing, I was just there to watch birds. We saw a B-E-A-U-tiful huge flowering bush in someone's yard. This thing was like nothing I'd ever seen before w red, pink and white flowers all over it. I was compelled to find out what it was. The homeowner happened to come out as we gawked. Ha! Some things are just meant to be! She said it was a Confederate Rose. I couldn't find one locally and ended up having one shipped in from GA. Pretty sure that's not the 'trespassing' that's being discussed here though.

Wow! Not very scientific of a statement by Eagles that Golf. Everyone knows that grass is JUST BETTER than turned-over soil. And NOT NEARLY as good as NATURAL trees and shrubs. And Trees protect RESIDENTS from tornadoes and hurricanes. Golf courses DO NOT!!!!!! Golf courses produce wind tunnels that magnify wind strength. And Golf courses require enormous maintenance and enormous noise pollution, gasoline vapors, and co2, which causes Global Warming, which is currently driving motley populations of invaders northward into BOTH the US and Europe. Fertilizer and Round-Up runoff is causing many lakes in Lake County to have blue-green algae over-populations - which creates a gas that is unhealthy to HUMANS. SO, SO, SO NO, NO, NO SIR Duffer-with-Eagles-Man - your kind are NOT the good Samaritans that you make yourselves out to be. The REALITY IS that your kind are at the top of the food chain for polluters and other anti-social behavior!

Confederate Rose
 

Maybe not trespassing, but some might say racist flowers. :icon_wink:

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Someone here had a post looking for a comedian......

[QUOTE=golfing eagles;1960994]Nothing wrong with, " grandkid fishing in golf course lakes". There is a problem with golf carts joy riding on greens and into sand traps. I CAN SEE that. That would require a phone call to the Police! Maybe take a video of it for proof. Most people want to do the right thing - a few ruin things for others - that's how speed bumps got started.

Some might. Until they heard why it's called a Confederate Rose.

Rude???....Factual.
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I welcomed him/her.
How could I be more loving??
:ho:

Sorry, I stand by what I wrote!

I wonder if those who are upset, about dogs and people on the golf courses, after hours, are also those who illegally tweaked their golf carts to go faster? Now you have something else to complain about.

There you go breaking another rule. Spectators are allowed on the golf course but are required to stay in the golf cart
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Just like illegal aliens.

Oh PLEASE.

Hibiscus mutabilis (Confederate Rose).

Dictionary

[confederate]
ADJECTIVE
joined by an agreement or treaty.
"some local groups united to form confederate councils"
synonyms:
federal · confederated · federated · allied · in alliance · in league · cooperating · associated · united · combined · amalgamated
NOUN
a person one works with, especially in something secret or illegal; an accomplice.
"where was his confederate, the girl who had stolen Richard's wallet?"
synonyms:
associate · partner · accomplice · abetter · accessory · helper · supporter · assistant · ally · collaborator · colleague · oppo · offsider
a supporter of the Confederate States of America.
VERB
bring (states or groups of people) into an alliance.
"the treaty confederated the fourteen tribes"

It is against the rules, and trespassing,to fish in ANY pond or lake within any course. In Lake Sumter it is ILLEGAL to fish there. That's when, if those "grand kids" don't want to leave, the Sheriff is called. Everyone along that lake knows that LAW