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JohnN 08-14-2012 02:28 PM
well, I respect the law and your right to drive the steet legal,
however, when you're 10 mph slower and the cars are bigger - and there's plenty of idiots out there, well I have to wonder why you don't just say on the cart paths where it's safe?

It's just a matter of time to you get plunked, no offense.

njbchbum 08-14-2012 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnN (Post 540370)
well, I respect the law and your right to drive the steet legal,
however, when you're 10 mph slower and the cars are bigger - and there's plenty of idiots out there, well I have to wonder why you don't just say on the cart paths where it's safe?

It's just a matter of time to you get plunked, no offense.
maybe because gem carts go faster than golf carts, are street legal and you can't get everywhere you have to go by cart path?

Tom Hannon 08-14-2012 02:49 PM
I live in Buttonwood. Using a stop watch it took me 10 minutes and 45 seconds to get to Tojays intersection from my driveway without traffic. Another time, I was behind one of the slow 14 MPH rentals and it took me 2 and 1/2 minutes longer. Now if someone can explain how 2 1/2 minutes can effect ones schedule, please do because I don't get it. Chill out people. We're retired. We got all day and losing 2 1/2 minutes in your schedule will give you plenty of time to do all you intend to do today.

Skip2MySue 08-14-2012 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Hannon (Post 540385)
I live in Buttonwood. Using a stop watch it took me 10 minutes and 45 seconds to get to Tojays intersection from my driveway without traffic. Another time, I was behind one of the slow 14 MPH rentals and it took me 2 and 1/2 minutes longer. Now if someone can explain how 2 1/2 minutes can effect ones schedule, please do because I don't get it. Chill out people. We're retired. We got all day and losing 2 1/2 minutes in your schedule will give you plenty of time to do all you intend to do today.
Tom,
In that 2 1/2 minutes somebody might have bought the last slice of Key Lime pie at Too Jays :jester:
Skip 2

rubicon 08-14-2012 03:09 PM
Face it whether we are talking about the Florida Turnpike or Canal Street here some people will always take a burn to slow drivers. To allow a vehicle that can only travel 5-10 mph under the posted speed limit is asking for trouble specially since I explained in aprevious post we continue to get more crowded .

Then we have the other side I was on Auburndale returning from Glenview when a woman cut me off and kept doing so. apparently she felt I was going too fast. i was really upset with her but she took off so stopping only briefly at the stop sin so that I could reach her. there is no excuse for that type of behavior. My cart did go about 27-28 mph but I never exceeded 19-20mph when on the cartpaths. I felt that the speed was not safe for anyone and not good for the cart so I had my repair guy make adjustments. It hits 20mph and many carts pass me ut I am happier for it.

Tom Hannon 08-14-2012 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Skip2MySue (Post 540391)
Tom,
In that 2 1/2 minutes somebody might have bought the last slice of Key Lime pie at Too Jays :jester:
Skip 2
I didn't think of that Skip. Cancel everything I said about living life at a slow pace. RUN EVERYONE OFF THE ROAD. And if they don't get out of your way...give them the finger. (Only kidding of course)

EdV 08-14-2012 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnN (Post 540370)
... well I have to wonder why you don't just say on the cart paths where it's safe?....
Because we paid a lot more for the additional safety features of an LSV and $500 more per year in insurance for the priviledge to do so.

kbace6 08-14-2012 03:29 PM
George Carlinism
 
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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 540400)
Face it whether we are talking about the Florida Turnpike or Canal Street here some people will always take a burn to slow drivers. To allow a vehicle that can only travel 5-10 mph under the posted speed limit is asking for trouble specially since I explained in aprevious post we continue to get more crowded .

Then we have the other side I was on Auburndale returning from Glenview when a woman cut me off and kept doing so. apparently she felt I was going too fast. i was really upset with her but she took off so stopping only briefly at the stop sin so that I could reach her. there is no excuse for that type of behavior. My cart did go about 27-28 mph but I never exceeded 19-20mph when on the cartpaths. I felt that the speed was not safe for anyone and not good for the cart so I had my repair guy make adjustments. It hits 20mph and many carts pass me ut I am happier for it.
I agree in part with the George Carlin type point of view about with some driving faster and some drive slower than you. But why is everyone in such a hurry, when people come to TV because they have retired from the "Rat Race"? Why in the world would you want to participate in the "Rat Race" in your retirement?

To speak to your point and many others here about the top speed of the LSVs and the "just asking for trouble" some seem to feel. I would agree to that point if TV was like any other place in the USA. But it is not. Everyone knows that LSVs are part of the lifestyle here. When you see a LSV on Buena Vista, are you really surprised it is there? Did it really catch you of guard? Just go around it and be happy you live in such a nice place.

ronat1 08-14-2012 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by njbchbum (Post 540354)
are you implying that there is conflict between the "attitudes and fury" of "snowbirds, renters and visitors" and the attitudes of the permanent residents who believe they're entitled to a preference because they live in the villages all year round? is it really that bad?
Not really, just that with the influx of more people there will be more of all the attitudes, whomever they belong to.

Redrok 08-14-2012 03:42 PM
I'm not sure if this is a new thought, but maybe the speed limit should be reduced to the slowest possible vehicle that may use that particular road. Just wondering....

WVMtnBoy 08-14-2012 03:48 PM
Speed Limits
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Hannon (Post 540385)
I live in Buttonwood. Using a stop watch it took me 10 minutes and 45 seconds to get to Tojays intersection from my driveway without traffic. Another time, I was behind one of the slow 14 MPH rentals and it took me 2 and 1/2 minutes longer. Now if someone can explain how 2 1/2 minutes can effect ones schedule, please do because I don't get it. Chill out people. We're retired. We got all day and losing 2 1/2 minutes in your schedule will give you plenty of time to do all you intend to do today.
:agree:

justjim 08-14-2012 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by cappyjon431 (Post 540195)
There is actually a company called Ride-4-Fun that puts a 7.5hp motor on gems, reprograms the controller, and sells 14 inch wheels. This combination has been known to increase GEM speeds to approximately 45 mph.

For info: Gem Car - Accessories, Parts & High Performance GEM Cars - We're the Direct Source!
I must have followed one in May down Morse as it was going 35mph across the Lake Sumter bridge and even faster south on Morse. In fact, many of the Street Legals that I personally have seen on TV roads were traveling at least 30 mph. But what the heck, I encounter the same on golf trails around TV.

However, what OP encountered was something entirely different. I sincerely hope to hear what the Sheriff's Office had to say regarding the lady who was in a "road rage" that could have caused you to have a serious accident. You were in the right and she was definitely wrong.

red tail 08-14-2012 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 540436)
I must have followed one in May down Morse as it was going 35mph across the Lake Sumter bridge and even faster south on Morse. In fact, many of the Street Legals that I personally have seen on TV roads were traveling at least 30 mph. But what the heck, I encounter the same on golf trails around TV.

However, what OP encountered was something entirely different. I sincerely hope to hear what the Sheriff's Office had to say regarding the lady who was in a "road rage" that could have caused you to have a serious accident. You were in the right and she was definitely wrong.
you have only heard one side of the story.

justjim 08-14-2012 04:17 PM
Always glad to hear the other side of the story. :sing:

red tail 08-14-2012 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 540459)
Always glad to hear the other side of the story. :sing:
it helps when expressing an opinion

Ripcord13 08-14-2012 04:38 PM
This thread scares me, someone please tell me as we have only been here six weeks, where is the proper place to ride my bicycle, on Morse or on the golf cart lane. I won't cut anyone off, nor will I give anyone the finger I am newly retired and just want to enjoy the rest of my life. I hope I didn't make a mistake choosing TV for my retirement home.

Penguin 08-14-2012 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Hannon (Post 540385)
I live in Buttonwood. Using a stop watch it took me 10 minutes and 45 seconds to get to Tojays intersection from my driveway without traffic. Another time, I was behind one of the slow 14 MPH rentals and it took me 2 and 1/2 minutes longer. Now if someone can explain how 2 1/2 minutes can effect ones schedule, please do because I don't get it. Chill out people. We're retired. We got all day and losing 2 1/2 minutes in your schedule will give you plenty of time to do all you intend to do today.
Tom, I could'nt have said it any better :coolsmiley:

rubicon 08-14-2012 05:07 PM
What We Have Here Is Plain Hypocrisy
 


Residents of The Villages are being told by some posters here to just go around street legal golfcarts and not to be concerned because they live in such a nice place. HMMMM

We have street legal golfcart owners whose vehicles travel under the posted speed limit on most roads creating short tempers by some drivers but yet these same street legals travel substantially faster than the required speed limit on golfcart paths creating unsafe passing senarios and placing pedestrians, bicylists and non-legal golfcart drivers and passengers in harms way...and then not expecting any reaction.

When this community first began development there was plenty of room to accomodate street legal vehicles but with The Villages approaching 102,000 plus vistors, plus locals, plus renters and their vistors it is like placing rickshaws on 466 and it is like placing race cars on golfcart paths. Can anyone say with a straight face that this situation supports the motto "Florida's Friendliest HomeTown'?

Bogie Shooter 08-14-2012 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Ripcord13 (Post 540465)
This thread scares me, someone please tell me as we have only been here six weeks, where is the proper place to ride my bicycle, on Morse or on the golf cart lane. I won't cut anyone off, nor will I give anyone the finger I am newly retired and just want to enjoy the rest of my life. I hope I didn't make a mistake choosing TV for my retirement home.
The mistake you are making is believing that everthing you read on TOTV is true.
Ride you bike in diamond lane or on the multi-model path and enjoy your retirement.
Welcome to The Villages, Florida's Friendlist Hometown......with the exception of a couple of nuts. No different than anywhere else.

Tom Hannon 08-14-2012 05:30 PM
Someone in an earlier post suggested "A monorail system" from square to square. This would eliminate traffic and give The Villages more of a Disney like atmosphere. Yes, it would be expensive to build but as the saying goes "If you build it they will come" It would also put The Villages on the map as the only place in the world like it.

gerryann 08-14-2012 06:10 PM
"The mistake you are making is believing that everthing you read on TOTV is true."

You means it not????

dillywho 08-14-2012 06:54 PM
Really sorry that you had two unfortunate incidences.

Maybe my "feelers" are just out, but the older population is not always the problem. I have found it to be quite the opposite.

This was an extremely friendly place to be when we first visited in 2002 (Lifestyle Preview) for 3 days. We made the move here in 2004 and it still was friendlier than it is now. Growth doesn't always seem to be all positive. It was much better before this community became a vacation/resort destination instead of simply a retirement community.

As for the LSVs and GEMs, they are not a problem as I can see. Too many drivers of cars here seem to think that 35mph is simply a suggestion, not a limit. I have encountered some of the same behavior as the OP for driving the posted speed limit in my CAR. Maybe some of these people need a definition of "limit".

There are still more friendly ones here, thank goodness, than the others. It all comes down to attitude. My daddy always taught us that "it doesn't cost a thing to be nice so do it".

Unfortunately, the ones who are rude and inconsiderate are probably not the ones going to read these posts. Even if they do, they will probably be like the little old lady leaving church one morning. She congratulated the preacher on his "wonderful sermon" and told him, "Everything you said applies to someone I know!":wave:

Ripcord13 08-14-2012 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 540486)
The mistake you are making is believing that everthing you read on TOTV is true.
Ride you bike in diamond lane or on the multi-model path and enjoy your retirement.
Welcome to The Villages, Florida's Friendlist Hometown......with the exception of a couple of nuts. No different than anywhere else.
Thanks for the welcome Bogie, and I think that is my mistake, and as far as "a couple of nuts" This forum is no different than any other either.

bluedog103 08-14-2012 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ronat1 (Post 540313)
WOW!!! All of this for a couple of summer time incidents with probably permanent residents. If you think it's bad now just wait several months for all of the snowflakes, renters and other visitors to descend upon us with their attitudes and fury. :22yikes:
Especially the snowflakes, renters and other visitors from New York!:cus::boxing2:

looneycat 08-14-2012 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Ripcord13 (Post 540465)
This thread scares me, someone please tell me as we have only been here six weeks, where is the proper place to ride my bicycle, on Morse or on the golf cart lane. I won't cut anyone off, nor will I give anyone the finger I am newly retired and just want to enjoy the rest of my life. I hope I didn't make a mistake choosing TV for my retirement home.
you're seeing the cheers and ranting of 20 or 30 out of 88,000
fuhgeddaboutit!

ugotme 08-14-2012 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by bluedog103 (Post 540557)
Especially the snowflakes, renters and other visitors from New York!:cus::boxing2:
why are you picking on New York?

Bogie Shooter 08-14-2012 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Hannon (Post 540490)
Someone in an earlier post suggested "A monorail system" from square to square. This would eliminate traffic and give The Villages more of a Disney like atmosphere. Yes, it would be expensive to build but as the saying goes "If you build it they will come" It would also put The Villages on the map as the only place in the world like it.
An it sure would add to the traffic from vacationer's and site seer's to the only place like it in the world.

Ripcord13 08-14-2012 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by looneycat (Post 540570)
you're seeing the cheers and ranting of 20 or 30 out of 88,000
fuhgeddaboutit!
Yes you're absolutly right, a mono rail system? Gimmie a break.

cappyjon431 08-14-2012 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by kbace6 (Post 540352)
Sorry folks, until there are posted speed requirements the sign is "speed limit" not "speed requirement" or even "speed suggestion". Fact: LSVs have every right to be on a road that is 35 MPH or less as long as they are registered and insured like a car, truck or motorcycle is. It is a LIMIT on ones speed, not a requirement. I think when we see the same thing over and over again like a "Speed LIMIT" sign it tends to take on a different meaning.

With that being said, I break the law every day on the highway by driving in excess of 80 MPH and I do get irritated by slower drivers if they are in the fast lane. I just go around them and be on my way. If you can go around a slower vehicle on the highway, why not a golf cart or LSV in The Villages? And please don't point out that some roads in The Villages aren't 2 lanes. The original post in this thread pointed out that they do not drive their LSV on main roads without 2 lanes.

If you are in a car and a golf cart or LSV is slowing you down, just take the time to go around them safely. We are all supposed to be mature adults. There is no need for vigilantism or proving to someone else that you don't like a certain law. If you feel that strongly about the law, then go to the state legislature and try to get the law changed. FYI the law on LSVs or NEVs are across the country and are legislated on a state by state basis. Good luck.
Very well said.

cappyjon431 08-14-2012 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Hannon (Post 540385)
I live in Buttonwood. Using a stop watch it took me 10 minutes and 45 seconds to get to Tojays intersection from my driveway without traffic. Another time, I was behind one of the slow 14 MPH rentals and it took me 2 and 1/2 minutes longer. Now if someone can explain how 2 1/2 minutes can effect ones schedule, please do because I don't get it. Chill out people. We're retired. We got all day and losing 2 1/2 minutes in your schedule will give you plenty of time to do all you intend to do today.
:agree:

Tom Hannon 08-14-2012 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ugotme (Post 540571)
why are you picking on New York?
I agree. What do NY's have to do with it.

CaptJohn 08-14-2012 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeC1947 (Post 540362)
My daddy used to say that there are two kinds of drivers. The ones that drive slower than him were idiots and the ones that drive faster than him were maniacs. Before anyone asks which one I am, I'm both at one time or another.
Your Dad was right! That about sums it up. :laugh:

Maybe someone needs to make signs to put on the carts, such as: "Leisurely retired, please be nice" or
"What's your rush? You're retired".

CarGuys 08-14-2012 09:33 PM
Last Piece
 
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Originally Posted by Skip2MySue (Post 540391)
Tom,
In that 2 1/2 minutes somebody might have bought the last slice of Key Lime pie at Too Jays :jester:
Skip 2
:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

bluedog103 08-14-2012 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Hannon (Post 540617)
I agree. What do NY's have to do with it.
Calm down folks, that comment was made in jest. I'm from NY, in fact I'm in NY right now. I just threw that out to lighten things up a bit. After I hit the submit button it occurred to me that some folks wouldn't know this. :loco:

buzzy 08-14-2012 10:02 PM
As a former NY'er and lifelong highway commuter, I've been trained to drive both aggressively and defensively. The way to attain a balance is through common sense and courtesy toward others.

Quixote 08-15-2012 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by gerryann (Post 539835)
Is there no place to report an inappropriate post??
Sorry, I missed something. Which post was "inappropriate"? And, for that matter, what made it inappropriate? Thanks!

Bogie Shooter 08-15-2012 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Quixote (Post 540707)
Sorry, I missed something. Which post was "inappropriate"? And, for that matter, what made it inappropriate? Thanks!
Its all in the eye of the beholder....................

Tom Hannon 08-15-2012 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Ripcord13 (Post 540596)
Yes you're absolutly right, a mono rail system? Gimmie a break.
Okay, a monorail system might be somewhat of a stretch. But think off the traffic it would cut down, less gas and the lives it could possibly save. (How much is the loss of a human life worth?) People's biggest concern is the traffic when the build out is complete. Imagine 110,000 senior citizens riding around in golf carts with congested traffic. It will be like the Long Island Expressway in slow motion. Having a monorail system would cut back the traffic big time. Like I said, it is a stretch but considering what The Villages has become, nothing is impossible or unpractical.

JoeC1947 08-15-2012 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom Hannon (Post 540728)
Okay, a monorail system might be somewhat of a stretch. But think off the traffic it would cut down, less gas and the lives it could possibly save. (How much is the loss of a human life worth?) People's biggest concern is the traffic when the build out is complete. Imagine 110,000 senior citizens riding around in golf carts with congested traffic. It will be like the Long Island Expressway in slow motion. Having a monorail system would cut back the traffic big time. Like I said, it is a stretch but considering what The Villages has become, nothing is impossible or unpractical.
Instead of a monorail system, trolley's would be a better idea. There are too many reasons why a monorail system wouldn't work. Sure, there may be 110,00 people that own here but they all won't be on the road at the same time. IMHO congestion won't be much different than it is now even when we're completely built out. There will always be accidents and discussions on this topic. Short of a Star trek type transporter, there is no viable solution but at least trolley's would offer some people options. However, you would still need to get to the monorail or trolly station and only to get to point A, B or C. What about all of the points in between i.e shopping?

Tom Hannon 08-15-2012 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeC1947 (Post 540743)
Instead of a monorail system, trolley's would be a better idea. There are too many reasons why a monorail system wouldn't work. Sure, there may be 110,00 people that own here but they all won't be on the road at the same time. IMHO congestion won't be much different than it is now even when we're completely built out. There will always be accidents and discussions on this topic. Short of a Star trek type transporter, there is no viable solution but at least trolley's would offer some people options. However, you would still need to get to the monorail or trolly station and only to get to point A, B or C. What about all of the points in between i.e shopping?
One thing we must consider is that now a large percentage of the TV home owners are snowbirds. In ten years or so most of these snowbirds will become frogs. We will also be older and our reflexes won't be as good. In a perfect world we can say "Beam me up, Scotty" but this is not a perfect world and something will have to be done about the traffic and how to minimize it and keep the road safe.


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