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xNYer 05-08-2015 02:52 PM
Parking
 
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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 1057188)
Why should Wal-Mart tie up any part of their parking lot for Villagers' bus trips, when The Villages can't accommodate Villagers' bus trips?
Why should anyplace outside The Viilages allow their parking to be occupied, particularly commercial establishments which have no reason to do so?

Had Janet Tutt canvassed Villagers to see what we would prefer or offer any options?

Aren't the rec centers totally supported by amenity fees.

We are talking about clubs which organize trips for Villagers.

maddie101 05-08-2015 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by xNYer (Post 1057598)

Aren't the rec centers totally supported by amenity fees.

We are talking about clubs which organize trips for Villagers.
Those were almost my exact thoughts and words

BETHPAGE BLACK 05-08-2015 10:30 PM
One day I came out of Banes & Noble walked to my car which was blocked in by a huge bus unloading passengers returning from a cruise. My car (and others) was blocked, people pouring out of the bus then all their luggage had to be unloaded and claimed. I had a doctors appt and could not get out of my parking spot. The driver was uncooperative and after all the luggage was claimed, the driver then went up and down the aisles with a plastic bag picking up garbage. There as nothing we could do

redwitch 05-09-2015 03:15 AM
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Originally Posted by BETHPAGE BLACK (Post 1057745)
One day I came out of Banes & Noble walked to my car which was blocked in by a huge bus unloading passengers returning from a cruise. My car (and others) was blocked, people pouring out of the bus then all their luggage had to be unloaded and claimed. I had a doctors appt and could not get out of my parking spot. The driver was uncooperative and after all the luggage was claimed, the driver then went up and down the aisles with a plastic bag picking up garbage. There as nothing we could do
But this bus probably a Villages bus. And I can see banning cruise buses. Those would be in direct competition with something offered by a vendor., non-Villagers are frequently on these buses and cars would be parked for days in the lots. In this instance, allowing only a vendor paying to use parking lot facilities makes sense.

What I cannot see is banning club charters for day trips. Even in high season, there are usually spaces available in the far reaches of the rec center lots. This is stopping Villagers from enjoying activities with their clubs. Seems to me this is part of the lifestyle of TV and is now being taken away.

graciegirl 05-09-2015 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 1057754)
But this bus probably a Villages bus. And I can see banning cruise buses. Those would be in direct competition with something offered by a vendor., non-Villagers are frequently on these buses and cars would be parked for days in the lots. In this instance, allowing only a vendor paying to use parking lot facilities makes sense.

What I cannot see is banning club charters for day trips. Even in high season, there are usually spaces available in the far reaches of the rec center lots. This is stopping Villagers from enjoying activities with their clubs. Seems to me this is part of the lifestyle of TV and is now being taken away.


I do not want a daily pick up to the gambling boats patrons parked where me and Helene go to paint by number in one of OUR rec centers. I don't want to be aggravated by an outside business who is taking advantage of using our parking for their profit.

Just like the wall built in the old area, this probably is something put in place to protect us legally from something that could get out of hand.

You hide and watch.

CFrance 05-09-2015 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1057784)
And I say you are wrong Mary Jane.

I do not want a daily pick up to the gambling boats patrons parked where me and Helene go to paint by number in one of OUR rec centers. I don't want to be aggravated by an outside business who is taking advantage of using our parking for their profit.

Just like the wall built in the old area, this probably is something put in place to protect us legally from something that could get out of hand.

You hide and watch.
Have you been aggravated by buses at one of our rec centers picking up Villagers for a club trip? I haven't. Why do you think they're going to gambling boats only? What do gambling boats even have to do with it if it is a club-sponsored trip?

Picking up club members for trips has been going on for years with no adverse effects. You can look at it as an outside company making a profit, or you can look at it as a TV-sponsored club providing additional recreation for its members. Without it TV becomes a little less fun than previously advertised. And Dee is not wrong; I am not wrong; you are not wrong. Those are our opinions, which happen to differ.

twoplanekid 05-09-2015 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 1057788)
Have you been aggravated by buses at one of our rec centers picking up Villagers for a club trip? I haven't. Why do you think they're going to gambling boats only? What do gambling boats even have to do with it if it is a club-sponsored trip?

Picking up club members for trips has been going on for years with no adverse effects. You can look at it as an outside company making a profit, or you can look at it as a TV-sponsored club providing additional recreation for its members. Without it TV becomes a little less fun than previously advertised. And Dee is not wrong; I am not wrong; you are not wrong. Those are our opinions, which happen to differ.
I agree with the above comments which are fair and to the point.

graciegirl 05-09-2015 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 1057754)
But this bus probably a Villages bus. And I can see banning cruise buses. Those would be in direct competition with something offered by a vendor., non-Villagers are frequently on these buses and cars would be parked for days in the lots. In this instance, allowing only a vendor paying to use parking lot facilities makes sense.

What I cannot see is banning club charters for day trips. Even in high season, there are usually spaces available in the far reaches of the rec center lots. This is stopping Villagers from enjoying activities with their clubs. Seems to me this is part of the lifestyle of TV and is now being taken away.
When you establish a precedent that is a legal issue. See here;
Precedent - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

tomwed 05-09-2015 07:59 AM
The pick-up spot SHOULD be on the outskirts of square so passengers have the option to buy food and drinks for the trip at square establishments [ie Dunkin Donuts, Panarras, Winn Dixie] and again buy a meal they return.

Don't those establishments have any input? Maybe they could get involved. If I was them I would have a little "to go" quickie bus meal package.

Maybe that's the solution. A country club would offer the outskirts of their parking lot in return for 40 prepackaged "to go" travel snacks.

graciegirl 05-09-2015 07:59 AM
Why should we as a city give over free space to a business who is for profit? It isn't a good precedent. There are a lot of powerful businesses that in other areas besides buses for gambling that could do this. They could advertise on Television, all those in the Belleview Leesburg, Wildwood area can park at the Colony rec center, we will pick you up.

It could happen and not just for gambling.

I think this new rule is being established so it won't happen.

Just lookee here;

bus trip to casino - Bing

TrudyM 05-09-2015 08:16 AM
In most of the towns I have lived in before the clubs arrange to use a church parking lot with the church. The small donation to the church helps them and it makes use of an otherwise unused parking lot on weekdays.

redwitch 05-09-2015 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1057826)
Why should we as a city give over free space to a business who is for profit? It isn't a good precedent. There are a lot of powerful businesses that in other areas besides buses for gambling that could do this. They could advertise on Television, all those in the Belleview Leesburg, Wildwood area can park at the Colony rec center, we will pick you up.

It could happen and not just for gambling.

I think this new rule is being established so it won't happen.
Gracie, to me, you're comparing oranges and lemons. The one thing a company offering a ride to the general populance and one being chartered to take a group of Villagers is that they both use buses. A bus taking anyone could not go on private property without permission. Therefore, gambling and cruise destination buses could easily be prohibited. Denying club members day trips just doesn't sit right to me.

If precedence were an issue here, the clubs would win -- buses have been picking up folks in the rec centers at least as long as I have lived here. We're talking privately chartered buses where residents of the Villages take one large vehicle as a group rather than piling into multiple vehicles and trying to meet up at the destination. Sorry, Ms. Tutt, et al., are wrong on this one, just like they were on building the wall.

graciegirl 05-09-2015 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 1057850)
Gracie, to me, you're comparing oranges and lemons. The one thing a company offering a ride to the general populance and one being chartered to take a group of Villagers is that they both use buses. A bus taking anyone could not go on private property without permission. Therefore, gambling and cruise destination buses could easily be prohibited. Denying club members day trips just doesn't sit right to me.

If precedence were an issue here, the clubs would win -- buses have been picking up folks in the rec centers at least as long as I have lived here. We're talking privately chartered buses where residents of the Villages take one large vehicle as a group rather than piling into multiple vehicles and trying to meet up at the destination. Sorry, Ms. Tutt, et al., are wrong on this one, just like they were on building the wall.

I also supported having only OUR golf carts on the trails here. Thus I supported the wall, and that ended well too.

I think that the Morses have excellent legal advice and they also play their cards close to their vest.

What is keeping a large tour bus group or a tour guide from advertising....join The Villages on their ride to....such and so???

graciegirl 05-09-2015 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1057823)
When you establish a precedent that is a legal issue. See here;
Precedent - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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DougB 05-09-2015 09:12 AM
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