[quote=tommy steam;623011]You're right about the group and that stop sign; and, they were right about the headset (FL316.304).

The old saying applies-----"do as I say, not as I do"

First, intertwined in all the posts, complaining or not, there is good information that may help educate some people who are unaware of some rules and/or regulations.

Second, you are not being forced to read any posts on this board. If you do not like e subject or tone, the back button will take you away from the thread.

Third, there is some irony in a post complaining about people complaining.

This forum is not owned by The Villages. This forum is owned by private individuals who do not live here and have no connection to the official villages or to the developers.

The owners I find to be very fair and their handling of sticky issues is appropriate and swift.

There are many, many positive posts and many negative posts, just as there are all kinds of people.

P.S. No one likes to be called "You people".

I am sorry you think this is the worst place you ever lived.

You know, I really hate it when someone gets on this forum and dictates to the masses, referring to us as "you people." The term You People is so rude. It's like the poster is holding him- or herself above the rest of us, as in they know best. "You people need to leave your dogs at home." "Come on, people, do/don't do such-and such." "What's wrong with you people?" Etc.

On this forum, the "people" are not supposed to be maligned. Their opinions can be disputed, but in a polite manner. If a poster can't be polite, he/she should go elsewhere. There's lots of other forums that allow people to slam others.

There has been a lot of that type of talk on TOTV. If someone voices their displeasure with the developer, they get that "if you don't like it you can leave The villages" speech.

That being said, I didn't find this post to be terribly rude. It just sounded incredulous, like "I can't believe they go on and on and on about bicycle riders".

The recently referenced post has been deleted since it is off topic and inflammatory. Other posts were left intact as they demonstrate members concerns about flames.

At this point, please return to the original topic discussion.

These issues are best handled using the red triangle to report a post and let the admin/Mods deal with it.

Bikers feel they have the same rights as a car - but almost never stop at a stop sign

How about campaign to ticket this and make the roads safer for all

That already happens. Just as with cars, motorcycles, golfcarts. The day you make all the vehicles stop and obey the rules, then you will have something to talk about. Not just one type of vehicle it is all the masses.

Well said!

The sherriff's deputy's don't even stop at stop signs or obey speed limits or navigate roundabouts correctly so who would issue the tickets?

Many of the gates have a space at the end for golf carts and bicycles to pass without stopping.

ALL vehicles (cars,carts,bikes)are supposed to stop at gates. It doesn't matter if the gate is up or down. Two years ago all gate arms were supposed to be replaced with arms long enough to prevent anyone from passing when in the down position but as the gates are damaged the arms have been cut off and reused. They were not cut short for carts and bikes. The biggest problem is the inconsistently with our gates. Some stay up too long, some too short, some exit gates don't activate for bicycles, some do, manned gatekeepers don't agree which lane a bicycle should use. However, if you come to a complete stop at any manned gate they will open the gate for you.

We had an interesting experience with a cyclist group yesterday. We were already in a roundabout on BV, when to our right came a cycling group which didn't yield. They all had their heads down looking at the ground and simply ignored the yield sign. There was a car that had entered the roundabout just behind and beside us. We were stuck... couldn't move over because of that second car, and we were in Ron's very wide Dodge Magnum station wagon. It was scary being so close to them. We slowed to a crawl to let them and the other car get ahead of us, but that's not so safe to do either.

I wish they would have a little bit more situational awareness. It reminded me of our dog who, when he doesn't want to deal with something, turns his head and looks away. "If I can't see it, it's not happening!"

The main gate on Belvedere at 466 has an arm that is short. Cars must stop, but the arm permits golf carts to easily pass beside the arm without merging with traffic and using a card. In six years, I've never once seen a bicycle or a golf cart use a card.

Tzangrilli, are you positive that golf carts should always leave the golf cart path and merge with traffic, so they can use their card to open the gate? :confused: Since it is a "pretend security gate", why would they need to do this? :confused:

the simple answer is I would e safe and stop. As long as they slowed sufficiently?? is that like if I only shoot you in the leg it doesn't count? if I come thru the intersection at full speed with no stop sign and only hit one of the other bike riders it's OK? I can't expect them to respect MY safety when they disregard the law...hmmm...no I think I can expect them to do more!!!

you can't fix stupid!

I thought the idea of a roundabout was for traffic to proceed without coming to a total stop. I slow to almost a complete stop at roundabouts now because the only "near misses" I have had were recumbent bikes going full speed on the inside lane with a pennant the size of a napkin attached. I know they have the right of way but are almost impossible to see because of the vegetation. I drove a passenger shuttle at a large resort for 12 years, so I am especially careful.

IMO recumbent bikes should not be allowed on the main boulevards and roundabouts for safety reasons. There are plenty of other streets and trails for them to use.

Until then bikers, be aware that vehicle traffic may not see you and ride defensively.

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There is no merge at that point, the cart "lane" (paths are multi modal trails) continues on the right from before the gate to after.
To help with your confusion, the first reason for the "pretend security gate", is not for security but for traffic control. No different than a stop sign or traffic light to let cross traffic proceed safely. Since there is no cross traffic at that gate there must have been an exception made to keep traffic moving.

My wife and I ride recumbent trikes inside and outside TV. Have never had a problem being seen in the roundabouts. Always make eye contact with vehicles entering roundabouts. If that's not possible, we toot our extremely loud air horns to alert the drivers that we are present, then give a "thank you" wave. When riding in TV, on the roads or the multi modal paths, we use flags and very bright flashing red tail lights. We use extra care when we are in areas where vegetation, or other obstacles, might impair our visibility to vehicular traffic. In general, I find that cars give me much more space on my trike than they ever did when I rode my upright bike, and have never experienced a situation where it was evident that a motor vehicle driver did not see me. However, there have been a few times (fortunately very rare) where a car or cart driver made it clear that they wished they never saw me, or any other cycle on "their road."

Yeah - Let's restrict their lawful rights! Then we can go after other laws that give people the same rights as others.



Can't believe you said that and especially the way you phrased it.