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JMintzer 02-18-2022 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by toeser (Post 2062761)
I drive a car, a golf cart, and I ride a bicycle, so I think I have a balanced perspective.

90% of golf cart drivers are reasonable, safe, and courteous. Some could show some improvement, but are O.K. However, that last 2% should be banned from the paths.

The golf cart drivers I fear the most are 1) those who shave by me when passing, and 2) those who cannot stay on their side of the path.

Apparently the idea of slowing down when passing is not safe is lost on some drivers. They try to squeeze between my bike and an oncoming golf cart. That is insane and highly risky. If anyone gets trapped behind me for more than 10 seconds, I look for a place to pull over and let them by, so it's not like I'm taking up their day. What really irritates me is when a golf cart driver will pass me when there is no oncoming traffic, but stays one half in my lane. Do they not pull over to the oncoming lane when passing other cars on the highway?

The other problem is golf cart drivers who will not stay on their side of the painted or implied center line. This is especially high risk when going around blind corners. I have come around more than one corner only to be head to head with an oncoming golf cart in my lane. STOP CUTTING CORNERS.
Your "balanced perspective" only slammed golf cart drivers... Just sayin'...

JMintzer 02-18-2022 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by DaleDivine (Post 2062771)
Goodbye...
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JMintzer 02-18-2022 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2062907)
It may cause problems. It already has 5 pages of comments. I notice golf carts speeding by on my residential street. It appears that a lot of golf cart owners have illegally increased their vehicle's governor or jacked up their injector pump to attain higher speeds. I don't see any Police monitoring Golf cart speed and ticketing them. That may be happening in other neighborhoods? Yesterday we had pictures of the small alcohol bottles strewn around TV Land.
.......When I ask myself - how and WHY this general attitude of recklessness has taken hold of the US and especially in an older gated community of conservative people? People seem to be recently prone to ALL forms of reckless behavior including speeding. In this case, they seem ENTITLED to own the community trails in a childish, "we don't stop for nobody" regression to 1st-grade egotistic philosophy. Other known statistics on reckless behavior are crime and murder increase, more physical confrontations with flight attendants, more drug and alcohol abuse, and many others that I won't bother to list. So WHY is this happening now?
......."The answer my friend" IS in looking at the BIG PICTURE!
Do you own a radar gun? How do you know how fast they were going?

As to WHY this is happening now... Because it's the same thing that was happening then...

But I'm sure you'll tell us your thoughts on the subject...

JMintzer 02-18-2022 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2062957)
I found out about that the hard way when I 1st got to TV Land. The ambassadors descended on me as if I were a Terrorist intent on exterminating a golfer (I guess that is illegal). I went back and looked to see if there was a LARGE sign saying no bicycles. That was many years ago so they may have put up one since?
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Jeanne wilson 02-18-2022 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2063076)
Your "balanced perspective" only slammed golf cart drivers... Just sayin'...
I have never had a bike rider bring on fear, only golf cart drivers here in TV . To pass and not give a 3-foot clearance is against the law. The fact is on a street if a biker feels the need to use the entire lane he can, and that's a law. Cars and golf cart drivers have no idea about bike safety unless they are a seasoned bike rider. I was hit head-on by a car that came off the road at 50 miles per hour. Seven operations and one more fusion to be done this summer and I still bike. Some people like golf, I love biking! So get the hell away from ME!!!!

Mrprez 02-18-2022 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2062957)
I found out about that the hard way when I 1st got to TV Land. The ambassadors descended on me as if I were a Terrorist intent on exterminating a golfer (I guess that is illegal). I went back and looked to see if there was a LARGE sign saying no bicycles. That was many years ago so they may have put up one since?
The courses down here have a sign restricting the golf cart path to golf traffic only.

nevjudbaker 02-18-2022 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Chellybean (Post 2062500)
Why is it that People driving a golf cart on a golf cart path think they can run bicyclist off the path and swear at them?
I almost seen two carts hit bicyclist today. What are these peoples problem and why do they think they rule the golf cart paths?
Is this entitlement or just complete AHOLES ?
Lets see how much trouble this post causes?
I think it is much more dangerous driving on a cart path than it is on the roads. Bottom line is everyone who is not considerate of others are at fault. Driving too fast, walkers not facing traffic & not staying to one side & bikers not following rules all at fault. These paths are not for race cars. Slow down at curves especially entering a tunnel & exiting a tunnel. If you stop pull off of the path. It all comes down to be respectful of others & follow the rules. Not hard at all but unfortunately we have to deal with those who think they are better than most & think acting like a jerk is their right. I would apologize many times & say it won’t happen again. Instead of acting like a jerk back at them. Kill them with kindness & they will feel like the jerk they are & just may think about their actions.

VApeople 02-18-2022 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by cj1040 (Post 2063047)
As members of the Sumter Bike Club we are told to "own the path" so we don't get run off into the edge of the pavement where tires can get caught causing an accident. Golf cars in a hurry can go into the grass and pass without safety worries like this.
That is true, golf carts in a hurry 'can' cut go into the grass.

They 'can' also run you down.

We love to ride our bikes but NEVER ride on an MMP.

By the way, bikers, when your blood is all over an MMP, does that mean you "own the path"?

Topspinmo 02-18-2022 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by toeser (Post 2062915)
Under the laws of virtually every state in the nation, including Florida, ebikes are to be considered bicycles in almost every situation. Many places do limit speeds for ebikes, generally 20 mph.
Right, when one passed my in my golf cart going up hill 25 plus mph and not peddling.

jleighton 02-18-2022 11:28 PM
Thank you to Dave.

Garywt 02-18-2022 11:36 PM
There are some that only care about themselves. Many do give plenty of space to walkers and bikers.

tophcfa 02-18-2022 11:43 PM
As a bike rider I try to be unusually patient with bikers on the MMP’s. Today was a real test of my patients. I drove my cart from our home north of 466 to Belle Glade, a cart ride that takes 35 minutes on a hot summer day with little traffic on the MMP. Today it took almost an hour and 5 minutes. Granted, it was a beautiful day during busy season, however, I have never encountered sooooooo many bike riders. It seemed like I was stuck behind a bike for almost the entire ride. Every time I was able to safely pass a bike I almost immediately came up on another. I wish I counted how many I had to pass, my best guess would be close to 20. It really does test ones patients, especially when you are the last of several carts stuck behind a rider. Next time someone asks how long it takes to get to Belle Glade via golf cart, I will have to say between 35 and 65 minutes, depending on bike traffic.

MorTech 02-19-2022 12:37 AM
A lot of golfers are just plain AHOLES...Combine this with a lot of them being from NY/NJ and you get AHOLE squared.

Jeanne wilson 02-19-2022 12:47 AM
I have an e-bike and don't know of any that go 25 mph, 20 is the max.

Jeanne wilson 02-19-2022 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2063122)
As a bike rider I try to be unusually patient with bikers on the MMP’s. Today was a real test of my patients. I drove my cart from our home north of 466 to Belle Glade, a cart ride that takes 35 minutes on a hot summer day with little traffic on the MMP. Today it took almost an hour and 5 minutes. Granted, it was a beautiful day during busy season, however, I have never encountered sooooooo many bike riders. It seemed like I was stuck behind a bike for almost the entire ride. Every time I was able to safely pass a bike I almost immediately came up on another. I wish I counted how many I had to pass, my best guess would be close to 20. It really does test ones patients, especially when you are the last of several carts stuck behind a rider. Next time someone asks how long it takes to get to Belle Glade via golf cart, I will have to say between 35 and 65 minutes, depending on bike traffic.
Isn't that wonderful that there are so many people out exercising on their bikes!
So you are one of those grouchy old men who have no patients for someone enjoying life. Get up earlier and leave your home sooner so you are not frustrated when you come upon a bike rider. Look on the bright side, you live in a community where people enjoy exercise outside and that is why they are here! They are doing it right down in the southern villages with the separate bike and walking trails and the carts are in the street where they belong.

Jeanne wilson 02-19-2022 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2063122)
As a bike rider I try to be unusually patient with bikers on the MMP’s. Today was a real test of my patients. I drove my cart from our home north of 466 to Belle Glade, a cart ride that takes 35 minutes on a hot summer day with little traffic on the MMP. Today it took almost an hour and 5 minutes. Granted, it was a beautiful day during busy season, however, I have never encountered sooooooo many bike riders. It seemed like I was stuck behind a bike for almost the entire ride. Every time I was able to safely pass a bike I almost immediately came up on another. I wish I counted how many I had to pass, my best guess would be close to 20. It really does test ones patients, especially when you are the last of several carts stuck behind a rider. Next time someone asks how long it takes to get to Belle Glade via golf cart, I will have to say between 35 and 65 minutes, depending on bike traffic.
Isn't that wonderful that there are so many people out exercising on their bikes!
So you are one of those grouchy old men who have no patients for someone enjoying life. Get up earlier and leave your home sooner so you are not frustrated when you come upon a bike rider. Look on the bright side, you live in a community where people enjoy exercise outside and that is why they are here! They are doing it right down in the southern villages with the separate bike and walking trails and the carts are in the street where they belong.

Happydaz 02-19-2022 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Jeanne wilson (Post 2063134)
I have an e-bike and don't know of any that go 25 mph, 20 is the max.
I have a few bicycles, one is an ebike that provides power assist up to 28 mph then cuts out at speeds above 28 mph. On a recent organized bike ride I was doing 31 mph on 44A. Your bike may be a throttle bike that doesn’t require pedaling. My bike requires pedaling to have any assist. I had to provide maximum pedaling at a cadence of 95 rpm to attain those high speeds. On another point, all the people who want all the bike riders off the roads and onto the multimodal paths have no idea how crowded these paths would become! Bicycling is enjoying explosive growth and the number of riders continues to increase.

JMintzer 02-19-2022 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Jeanne wilson (Post 2063084)
I have never had a bike rider bring on fear, only golf cart drivers here in TV . To pass and not give a 3-foot clearance is against the law. The fact is on a street if a biker feels the need to use the entire lane he can, and that's a law. Cars and golf cart drivers have no idea about bike safety unless they are a seasoned bike rider. I was hit head-on by a car that came off the road at 50 miles per hour. Seven operations and one more fusion to be done this summer and I still bike. Some people like golf, I love biking! So get the hell away from ME!!!!
My wife has almost been hit by bicycles several times when out walking. Never had an issue with a golf cart.

Me? I rarely, if ever walk on the MMPs, so I can't comment on personal experience.

But when driving my golf cart, I've yet to have a problem with either bikers or pedestrians...

JMintzer 02-19-2022 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by MorTech (Post 2063131)
A lot of golfers are just plain AHOLES...Combine this with a lot of them being from NY/NJ and you get AHOLE squared.
And cyclists are angels... We GET it...

Topspinmo 02-19-2022 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2063224)
My wife has almost been hit by bicycles several times when out walking. Never had an issue with a golf cart.

Me? I rarely, if ever walk on the MMPs, so I can't comment on personal experience.

But when driving my golf cart, I've yet to have a problem with either bikers or pedestrians...

Yet.:icon_wink:

Topspinmo 02-19-2022 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by toeser (Post 2062915)
Under the laws of virtually every state in the nation, including Florida, ebikes are to be considered bicycles in almost every situation. Many places do limit speeds for ebikes, generally 20 mph.

Yep, just like golf cart speed limited.

Topspinmo 02-19-2022 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2063231)
And cyclists are angels... We GET it...
Well, they both got them… :)

Topspinmo 02-19-2022 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Toymeister (Post 2062872)
I posted the loud bike horn reply, Loud Bicycle | Car horn for bikes

Topspinmo posted a disingenuous reply that ebikes are the same as mopeds, in other words these are "vehicles" that require licensure by the state and by extension should not be allowed on the MMPs.

Ebikes, by definition of the Federal Government are essentially bicycles. Motor vehicles i.e. cars, motorcycles and mopeds fall under part 49 of the US Code of Federal regulations as well as other CFR parts which define what a vehicle is.

Bicycles and electric bikes fall under the jurisdiction of the Consumer Product Safety Commission. The CPSC also details what an ebike is, not any poster reading this thinks it is. In addition our Governor in the summer of 2020 signed into law a change to Florida statutes that ebikes are allowed everywhere bicycles are allowed.

I like to think my post shuts down idiotic replies but I know better...

I did not say they were, but the function the same way. I can have opinion just like you with you big illegal horn.

JMintzer 02-19-2022 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2063233)
Yet.:icon_wink:
No, probably forever. Yes, people will do stupid things. I've been cut off on the roundabouts, several times. I simply keep an eye out for that.

I don't "lose my proverbial sh*t" every time it happens...

I saw a Prius, come out of the MMP onto Pinellas a few months ago. How the hell she got ON the MMP escapes me! My buddy and I (coming home from golf) gave a collective "WTF?" and then started laughing at the absurdity of it all...

I simple shake my head, laugh at the idiots, and get on with my life...

John-US 02-19-2022 08:30 AM
The cart people....with the cyclops headlight that blinds everyone.. or god forbid if you get behind the large man who can barely fit behind the wheel, knee showing out the side -- smoking a cigar to boot and the 1976 golf cart which hasn't had a tune up since the carter admin. which smells like raw fuel to high heaven. The lady folks need to skip the bakery isle too - wow how did they manage to eat themselves into a better parking space then the rest of us?? Get behind that and let me know how it goes.

The bicycle guys ... over 65 in tight spandex with multiple supporting names platered on them like they really are in the olympics ..big ole tummy and ortho hose and they spit at every turn from drinking colt45 from a can -- yeah that's no picnic being behind them either.

:duck:

Lighten up.. we won't be here forever!

JMintzer 02-19-2022 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by John-US (Post 2063268)
The cart people....with the cyclops headlight that blinds everyone.. or god forbid if you get behind the large man who can barely fit behind the wheel, knee showing out the side -- smoking a cigar to boot and the 1976 golf cart which hasn't had a tune up since the carter admin. which smells like raw fuel to high heaven. The lady folks need to skip the bakery isle too - wow how did they manage to eat themselves into a better parking space then the rest of us?? Get behind that and let me know how it goes.

The bicycle guys ... over 65 in tight spandex with multiple supporting names platered on them like they really are in the olympics ..big ole tummy and ortho hose and they spit at every turn from drinking colt45 from a can -- yeah that's no picnic being behind them either.

:duck:

Lighten up.. we won't be here forever!
You might want to take your own advice...

Oh, and "fat shaming" never looks good on anyone...

bimmertl 02-19-2022 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Mrprez (Post 2062678)
316.271 Horns and warning devices.—
(1) Every motor vehicle when operated upon a highway shall be equipped with a horn in good working order and capable of emitting sound audible under normal conditions from a distance of not less than 200 feet.
(2) No horn or other warning device shall emit an unreasonably loud or harsh sound or a whistle.
(3) The driver of a motor vehicle shall, when reasonably necessary to ensure safe operation, give audible warning with his or her horn, but shall not otherwise use such horn when upon a highway.
(4) No vehicle shall be equipped with, nor shall any person use upon a vehicle, any siren, whistle, or bell, except as otherwise permitted in this section.
(5) It is permissible but not required that any vehicle be equipped with a theft alarm signal device which is so arranged that it cannot be used by the driver as an ordinary warning signal.
(6) Every authorized emergency vehicle shall be equipped with a siren, whistle, or bell capable of emitting sound audible under normal conditions from a distance of not less than 500 feet and of a type approved by the department, but such siren, whistle, or bell shall not be used except when the vehicle is operated in response to an emergency call or in the immediate pursuit of an actual or suspected violator of the law, in which event the driver of the vehicle shall sound the siren, whistle, or bell when reasonably necessary to warn pedestrians and other drivers of the approach thereof.
(7) Notwithstanding the other provisions of this section, a trolley may be equipped with a bell, and the bell is not required to be used only as a warning device. As used in this subsection, the term “trolley” includes any bus which resembles a streetcar, which is powered by overhead electric wires or is self-propelled, and which is used primarily as a public conveyance.
(8) A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a nonmoving violation as provided in chapter 318.
History.—s. 1, ch. 71-135; s. 4, ch. 86-36; s. 1, ch. 88-91; s. 325, ch. 95-148; s. 203, ch. 99-248.
The MMP's aren't "highways". This statute doesn't apply to the issue being discussed.

MX rider 02-19-2022 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by John-US (Post 2063268)
The cart people....with the cyclops headlight that blinds everyone.. or god forbid if you get behind the large man who can barely fit behind the wheel, knee showing out the side -- smoking a cigar to boot and the 1976 golf cart which hasn't had a tune up since the carter admin. which smells like raw fuel to high heaven. The lady folks need to skip the bakery isle too - wow how did they manage to eat themselves into a better parking space then the rest of us?? Get behind that and let me know how it goes.

The bicycle guys ... over 65 in tight spandex with multiple supporting names platered on them like they really are in the olympics ..big ole tummy and ortho hose and they spit at every turn from drinking colt45 from a can -- yeah that's no picnic being behind them either.

:duck:

Lighten up.. we won't be here forever!
LMFAO!!! Great post.
My wife and I both mountain bike. We avoid the spandex, even though we're both very fit. Nothing wrong with it on fit people, but I crack up as well when I see guys with beer guts squeezed into those outfits.

Do they really think they look good? Oh well, to each their own I guess.

Mrprez 02-19-2022 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by bimmertl (Post 2063328)
The MMP's aren't "highways". This statute doesn't apply to the issue being discussed.
Never said it did. I was responding to the bad advice about using your horn.

John-US 02-19-2022 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2063271)
You might want to take your own advice...

Oh, and "fat shaming" never looks good on anyone...
HAHHA- said the people holding the bagel (no cream cheese cause TV friends bought it all)

jimjamuser 02-19-2022 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by cj1040 (Post 2063047)
As members of the Sumter Bike Club we are told to "own the path" so we dont get run off into the edge of the pavement where tires can get caught causing an accident. Golf cars in a hurry can go into the grass and pass without safety worries like this.
That sounds like an invitation to a rumble that the bike guys won't win.........bad advice!

jimjamuser 02-19-2022 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2063105)
Right, when one passed my in my golf cart going up hill 25 plus mph and not peddling.
Most models ARE limited to 20 mph because SOME states require that in order to not need a license plate. Florida is probably very permissive like they are about most things, the wild west. SOME models can go 35 MPH. There is even one that can go 65 MPH, but it costs about $15,000, and who knows where that would be legal? And no human could pedal at that speed even if it came with pedals. And I have no idea how that would be distinct from an electric motorcycle?????

jimjamuser 02-19-2022 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeanne wilson (Post 2063134)
I have an e-bike and don't know of any that go 25 mph, 20 is the max.
Well, yes there are some that can go 35MPH. There are many, many manufacturers and models. There is even a Chinese company that makes a titanium frame model for lightness. Lots of varieties to choose from.

Bruce3055 02-19-2022 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by cj1040 (Post 2063047)
As members of the Sumter Bike Club we are told to "own the path" so we dont get run off into the edge of the pavement where tires can get caught causing an accident. Golf cars in a hurry can go into the grass and pass without safety worries like this.
When I first started riding a bike on the MMPs I stayed on the side to let carts pass. I quickly found that was dangerous as some carts would almost side swipe me as they went by. And if I'm on the side I'm at risk of getting wacked by a low hanging branch as a cart zips by me with 6" clearance.

I now ride the middle of the path on my side for my safety and carts coming from the other direction. Carts are less likely to attempt to "sqweeze by me if I own the path.

It would be nice if we all embraced the Villages as a bicycle friendly community. And thankfully many folks do.

Most folks are retired and if they are in a real hurry, they could drive a car and avoid being self righteous on the MMPs .

jimjamuser 02-19-2022 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2063233)
Yet.:icon_wink:
Since we are talking about cyclists, I would say that I find it strange that so many cyclists (or ANY 2 wheeled vehicle) regularly wear BLACK shirts and pants, also some pedestrians. I try to wear white or some blaze orange or yellow shirt or vest. I would not even buy a black bicycle. I know black is fashionable, but I have been hoping that it goes out of fashion for about 5 years now. I know that I am tired of the concept.

Topspinmo 02-19-2022 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2063266)
No, probably forever. Yes, people will do stupid things. I've been cut off on the roundabouts, several times. I simply keep an eye out for that.

I don't "lose my proverbial sh*t" every time it happens...

I saw a Prius, come out of the MMP onto Pinellas a few months ago. How the hell she got ON the MMP escapes me! My buddy and I (coming home from golf) gave a collective "WTF?" and then started laughing at the absurdity of it all...

I simple shake my head, laugh at the idiots, and get on with my life...
WTF = where the fish 🐟! :1rotfl:

Topspinmo 02-19-2022 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by John-US (Post 2063268)
The cart people....with the cyclops headlight that blinds everyone.. or god forbid if you get behind the large man who can barely fit behind the wheel, knee showing out the side -- smoking a cigar to boot and the 1976 golf cart which hasn't had a tune up since the carter admin. which smells like raw fuel to high heaven. The lady folks need to skip the bakery isle too - wow how did they manage to eat themselves into a better parking space then the rest of us?? Get behind that and let me know how it goes.

The bicycle guys ... over 65 in tight spandex with multiple supporting names platered on them like they really are in the olympics ..big ole tummy and ortho hose and they spit at every turn from drinking colt45 from a can -- yeah that's no picnic being behind them either.

:duck:

Lighten up.. we won't be here forever!
cyclops headlight


Those are off road lights and by Florida law are supposed to covered up when on roads and only to be used Off road. There are no off roads in villages and little law enforcement IMO.

MorTech 02-20-2022 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2063271)
You might want to take your own advice...

Oh, and "fat shaming" never looks good on anyone...
Obesity is always a good look on anyone...We GET it...

MorTech 02-20-2022 04:15 AM
...And you have the mindless monkey-children who only know how to operate their accelerator pedal as an on/off switch :)

I now see a lot of bicycles out at 4:00AM because they have the roads/paths to themselves.

Chase219 02-20-2022 08:04 AM
Bicycles and Walkers
 
First of all bicycles and walkers should not be on a golf cart path that is why they are Called golf cart paths Bicycles and walkers have their own paths Strictly for walkers and bicycles, Bicycle and walk on 75 or the FL Turnpike, So many bicycles are flying on the golf cart paths thinking they are invincible Someone is going to get hit one day the way they fly around the tunnels and then they cry if a golf cart gets to close to them it is ridiculous, the bicycle rider is supposed to obey all the rules of the road when riding especially on a road the best advice for you is to stay off the golf cart paths and go to a park Stay off the roads.


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