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Rapscallion St Croix 10-26-2017 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Villager Joyce (Post 1466892)
You are correct. I did not respond to the OP. There is not an excuse to behave as the bucyckist dudeunless he/she has an attitude—a bad attitude.

Generally speaking, when riding in packs, the cyclists display extreme arrogance. They seem to view themselves as exempt from stop signs and blow through them en masse as if they were a single vehicle. They rightfully demand three feet clearance but don't extend the same passing autos.

Arctic Fox 10-26-2017 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tuccillo (Post 1466833)
Please read post #7. I believe I have explained the situation in The Villages.

I was merely addressing njbchbum's claim that "it is the duty of the person riding the bike in the roadway to maintain the posted speed limit".

That would rule out most recreational cyclists in TV from using even the residential streets, where the speed limit is 20 mph.

Many drivers in TV seem to think a 30 mph sign means everyone must travel at (at least) that speed.

CFrance 10-26-2017 01:35 PM

A cyclist swerving into oncoming traffic must be suicidal. Even if you were speeding (which it sounds like you weren't), it's none of his business and not his place to attempt to control traffic. That's the sheriff's job. Too bad no LEO was there to ticket him.

tuccillo 10-26-2017 01:37 PM

I did not make that claim. You are referring to post #6 by user "njbchbum". In my post #7, I was explaining what the actual law is.

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Originally Posted by Arctic Fox (Post 1466902)
I was merely addressing your claim that "it is the duty of the person riding the bike in the roadway to maintain the posted speed limit".

Your claim would effectively rule out most cyclists in TV from using even the residential streets, where the speed limit is 20 mph.

Many drivers in TV seem to think a 30 mph sign means everyone must travel at (at least) that speed.


NotGolfer 10-26-2017 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1466893)
Tuccillo's postings and explanations are accurate.

Obligations caused me to follow State driving regulations across this nation. States are pretty much the same when they define "vehicles"and their application to the responsibility of drivers/riders of those vehicles as applied to the Rules of the Road.

Bicycles, cars, golf carts for purposes of the rules of the road are all vehicles and the rules of the road apply to all as to right of way (ROW) overtaking, signaling, backing , merging, etc.

Overtaking and backing carry the greatest responsibility to the moving vehicle. It is almost absolute.

I have read or heard some folks believe that a car has the right of way over a golf cart in every situation here and that is not correct

We have people from all over the country who have brought with them some of their very bad driving habits.

We have people here because of age disability or both over or under react to traffic situations.

We have cowboys on the road that believe when the golf cart ahead of them is merging at the entrance of a gate that, that won't do,and speed up to pass them. " No carts going to get in front of me" type

We have far too many Sunday drivers in cars and carts

We have pedestrians who walk before sunset or sunrise in dark clothing and without reflectors or lights walking in the diamond lane or with their backs to traffic

And we have the ubiquitous cyclers with the motto "lead follow or get out of my way"

What we have is human frailty at its best:D

Personal Best Regards:

Well stated!!! Add to this the folks who want to be right in every instance.

tuccillo 10-26-2017 03:29 PM

Any suggestion that a cyclist would swerve into an oncoming lane in an attempt control traffic is not believable. Cyclists do, however, go out of there way to avoid cars. We aren't really hearing the whole story and probably never will. Let's just leave with the following thought: let's try to look out for other cars, cyclists, golf carts, and pedestrians.

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 1466905)
A cyclist swerving into oncoming traffic must be suicidal. Even if you were speeding (which it sounds like you weren't), it's none of his business and not his place to attempt to control traffic. That's the sheriff's job. Too bad no LEO was there to ticket him.


Polar Bear 10-26-2017 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tuccillo (Post 1466949)
Any suggestion that a cyclist would swerve into an oncoming lane in an attempt control traffic is not believable...We aren't really hearing the whole story and probably never will...

My thoughts exactly.

TimeForChange 10-26-2017 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by aninjamom (Post 1466713)
Yesterday morning I was heading into Sumter Landing and a pack of bicycles was coming the other way. One of the lead cycles swerved INTO my path and waved at me to slow down!
Firstly, I was going maybe 20 coming out of the round-about, and I was already decelerating for the intersection while looking on both sides for golf carts. He had no way of knowing what my speed was.
Secondly, I was going in the opposite direction of the bikes, centered in my own lane and no danger to them whatsoever. Unless, like the arrogant fool who swerved into oncoming traffic to "police" my speed, they were to cross into the wrong lane. I thought cycling was a healthy activity. Apparently it hasn't helped his mental facilities any. I hope he doesn't make this a habit on the main roads, many drivers here have diminishing reaction times.
Whoever he is, if he thinks his bike can survive a head-on collision with a car, he needs another activity. OK, vent over.

I bike and try to stay on the cart trails. It is amazing how many golf carts I get behind me trying to overtake me on curves and hills with no view of the oncoming traffic. On the other hand the packs of bikers do not realize how dangerous riding on the roads actually is. If the lead biker goes down then the rest will fall to try and escape the front rider. I have witnessed this in 20 to 100 mile rides from here to Texas. At the average age in TV a broken collar bone or hip will put you down for a year. They have no idea and I will not ride in a group.

Aloha1 10-26-2017 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Villager Joyce (Post 1466787)
I think of it as a gang mentality more than a bike thing.

Biker Gangs in The Villages. Who woulda thought...

Let's see; ride in a pack; all wearing the same "colors".. Hmmm, could be.

Arctic Fox 10-27-2017 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by tuccillo (Post 1466906)
I did not make that claim. You are referring to post #6 by user "njbchbum". In my post #7, I was explaining what the actual law is.

I apologize, tucillo - it was, indeed, njbchbum who made that claim, not you. I have edited my post to correct my error.

Marathon Man 10-27-2017 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by tuccillo (Post 1466949)
Any suggestion that a cyclist would swerve into an oncoming lane in an attempt control traffic is not believable. Cyclists do, however, go out of there way to avoid cars. We aren't really hearing the whole story and probably never will. Let's just leave with the following thought: let's try to look out for other cars, cyclists, golf carts, and pedestrians.

I thought the same thing. When a story doesn't seem to make sense, there is usually something missing or in error. I just can't imaging a bike rider playing chicken with an oncoming car.

bbbbbb 10-27-2017 10:17 AM

Bikes in Vilages
 
[QUOTE=tuccillo;1466804]The roads in The Villages are not wide enough (sub-standard width) to contain a bike and a car with the required 3 feet of clearance in a single lane. What this means is when passing a cyclist on a four lane road you need to move into the left hand lane. When passing a cyclist on a two lane road you need to wait till the oncoming lane is clear and pass in the oncoming lane (assuming a dashed center line). Since the roads are sub-standard width, you will often see cyclists in the middle of a lane and this is allowed by the law, regardless of their speed. Whether you hug the curb or not, a car and a bike cannot/shouldn't be adjacent to each other in the same lane on the roads in The Villages. The important part of the statute is highlighted in red in (5)(a) 3 below. If the roads weren't of sub-standard

Comment: Thank you Tuccillo for your very good information. OK here are some comments, take them or not, this is an opinion.
(We bike and Electric cart and almost never use the car).
1. Originally, as I heard from a good friend in another state, long ago and before we moved here, the Villages was supposedly for Carts and walking, retired seniors. It could be the roads are as you say because they probably did not plan on the cars in such an abundance. Here now, some folks do not have a cart, only cars, 3 or 4. Also, the newer areas, Fenney etc. you can see are set, almost a must to have a car.
2. The Villages thrives on on drinking, happy hours and happy hours etc. Starting early in the day, it is so apparent, and note all the parking spaces so a person can get close to the bar and be able to find the car at the end of the drinking bout, if it does end.
3. We do bicycles for exercise, to not use gas, to get the fresh air. We know of several families that have sold their bikes, too dangerous. The MMP are sometimes a real hazard for sure. When riding the bike, here is some safety suggestions:. a. On a MMP have a good rear view mirror, when a cart is approaching from the rear, I stop pedaling, I move over as far as possible and sometimes on the grass to avoid problems. b. Watch oncoming carts and others who "must" pass and cramp all the available space, they ignore the 3 foot rule and there is no way of catching them or reporting them, it is just look out for your own safety because there are not many who care about your safety or mine. c. At a crosswalk, I will not go in front of a stopped car, just wave them on. Caution, if you go in front of that stopped car, and if he gets rear ended, you will get hit, so wait and be safe.
d. Not much can be done here for safety as the authorities are not readily available, the drinking is excessive and as one lawyer friend said: It will all come to a screeching halt someday, we hope. e. There could be a cart registration with an identity # as in boats, so a person could report a wild driver and catch some of the drunks who drink heavily and drive like going to a fire.
Have you noted on here, the folks who want the cart to do 22 instead of 20 MPH? OK, so in traveling a distance of half a mile, they risk life and limb of themselves and others to get to the destination a few seconds earlier.
Oh well, I hear your rebuttals, maybe we do not belong here.
:ho:

aninjamom 10-27-2017 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by tuccillo (Post 1466949)
Any suggestion that a cyclist would swerve into an oncoming lane in an attempt control traffic is not believable. Cyclists do, however, go out of there way to avoid cars. We aren't really hearing the whole story and probably never will. Let's just leave with the following thought: let's try to look out for other cars, cyclists, golf carts, and pedestrians.

Wrong. It was not a "suggestion", I did not make it up. It was in broad daylight. It was the reason for my post in the first place! The guy on the bicycle - one of the "low" ones no less, swerved OVER the center line and into my path, then swerved back and started flapping his arm at me to slow down. The arrogant stupidity of it made me very angry. If I had hit him, I'm sure it would have been made my fault somehow.

Polar Bear 10-27-2017 03:09 PM

There are different State design standards for roads of various classifications...arterial, collector, local, etc..

The roads in The Villages are not sub-standard.

Bicycles (or cars for that matter) are not required to hug road edges or lane lines. It is perfectly legal for bikes to ride in the center of the lane. So if accommodation of the width of a car, plus the width of a bicycle, plus three feet, plus a reasonable safety margin on each side, was considered standard, almost all roads anywhere would be considered sub-standard.

njbchbum 10-27-2017 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Arctic Fox (Post 1467062)
I apologize, tucillo - it was, indeed, njbchbum who made that claim, not you. I have edited my post to correct my error.

"Claim"? LOL I asked a question - you failed to quote it as so!

"Would this part of the statute not mean that it is the duty of the person riding the bike in the roadway to maintain the posted speed limit?"


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