Who would not want 15 or more bikers come to stop one at time and alternate at intersections? I don't, I don't want to have to be 25 in line waiting while biker stops his momentum and has to start back up. IMO let go through and be done with it. Now for walkers walking against the flow of traffic in diamond lane or no diamond lane. YOU see on coming traffic when car over takes cart and all three of you may meet. Why put yourself or the person in the cart in danger step off the street, I do it all the time even if it's not close, cause I don't know what the cart driver or the car driver going to do. Why get somebody including yourself hurt or killed cause I'm walking here. Now for the walkers walking 2 plus abreast, again why risk somebody getting hurt. Just fall in single file till the danger over. I had four walking side by side on MMP I actually had to stop cause I couldn't move my cart off the path due to scrubs next to the cart lane. They looked as me like - why are you in our road!

I belong to one of the bike clubs here in Villages and have put a lot of miles on Morse and Buena Vista mostly riding by myself. Although I can legally “take the lane” I choose to ride close to white line to allow traffic behind me to pass hoping cars will use good judgement and adhere to 3’ law. Most of the time I have no problem but there are many that go by me much closer than 36” although majority of drivers are very considerate. I too have a hard time believing a bike rider in a club group would travel into an oncoming lane to make some kind of statement. That said I wasn’t there.

The term is actually "sub-standard width" and applies to all of the roads in The Villages. The reason that cyclists can "take the lane" legally is because the roads are of "sub-standard width". It could be that few roads (anywhere) are actually "standard width". This is actually an important concept as I suspect many don't realize that cars must move into another lane to pass a cyclist as the lanes are not wide enough for a car, cyclist, and 3 feet of clearance.

To post the old oft quoted wisdom: "Just because you can doesn't mean you should".

Your “standard” specifies what is considered to be acceptable for safe passing of bicycles. No argument there.

But it in no way describes what are considered standard road widths in the State of Florida.

Federal Highway Administration

Florida, as most states, adheres to Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) standards for road design, including lane widths.

You will find that almost all streets/roads in TV fall within the accepted standards for lane widths.

Do you ride?

I did find a references that indicated that 14' was a "standard" or "wide" width that would allow the sharing of a lane by a car and a bike. That notwithstanding, the FL statute would lead one to believe that the wording "sub-standard width" or "narrow" is defined within the statute itself as a road not wide enough for a car and bike. So, I see your point that that statute terminology is not aligned with FHWA terminology.

I think you are misunderstanding the word "limit".

A 30mph speed limit means that you cannot legally go faster than 30mph, not that everyone has to travel at exactly that speed (or, presumably, above it).

I believe what you say. too often judge a situation based on what they would do or wouldn't do. I would never think of robbing a bank but there are some people that would do it for the adrenaline rush.

In order to be an objective and apt investigator you have to work at not thinking of what you would do because it represses the possibilities ( expect the unexpected).

Personal Best Regards:

Simply stated the roads in The Villages when constructed fit the times/use/purpose before The Villages began expanding. What we are all saying is that The Village growing population makes them inadequate.

We have seen continual road construction in and around The Villages but with the fast growing population, government bureaucracy, cost/budget limitations, etc they are not moving fast enough .

In my personal view I believe The Villages's has design flaws. There should have been bike/walking trails. The MMP should have been restrict to golf carts only.

I believe that every time I am on a MMP observing walkers concerned looks as carts approach them. I am convinced every time I am on a MMP and behind a bicyclist that is moving a snails pace.

I do not gt mad at these walkers or bicyclist I get mad at the planners and designers.

I will come to a complete stop or close to one as I approach a walker because I do not want to scare the bejesus out of them

Personal Best Regards:

First of all, recent posts were discussing lane widths. Just lane widths. And lane widths in TV are not sub-standard by accepted engineering design standards.

And we are ALL saying TV roads are inadequate?? Not even close. I think many realize TV infrastructure is well designed and excellent. Perfect? Of course not. But I don't get mad at TV planners and designers. I admire them and applaud them for their planning, design and implementation.

Per multiple other posts throughout TOTV - drivers are HIGHLY criticized for NOT driving at the posted speed limit!!!

Which is it to be? lolololol

Is it possible that he made an emergency maneuver that forced him into your lane, and his arm gesture was an apology?

Only for fun, and not in a pack.

Most bikers (motorcycle & bicycle), most drivers (cars & carts) and most walkers/runners are alert,defensive and follow the laws/rules, but there are a few morons in each category.

Always has been, Always will be.

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