Agree. In any accident, at least in civil law, it generally considered the fault of the last person with a reasonable opportunity to avoid it.

You are correct. I ride a bike on some paths but not on others. When on the paths there are many walkers wearing earbuds and don’t here you when indicate your going to pass. Maybe one ear bud only might help

First of all, some people need to learn how to read. I referred ONLY to cyclists who blow through a yield sign as clowns. I also stated I have no problem with cyclists on the roads. So YOU get a grip.

Now, IF, and it's a big IF the law recognizes a pack of cyclists as a single entity and gives them the right to go through a RB, or intersection or whatever as a whole, thank you for correcting me. I will check it out, since I have my doubts that the law would consider a pack of cyclists a protected class that doesn't have to obey the same traffic laws as all other vehicles.

That doesn't appear to be the law in Florida:
316.2065 Bicycle regulations.

As you seem so sure of your assertion, can you point to the Florida Statute that supports it?

That is because THAT driver broke the law. Not a difficult concept to differentiate between drivers who do/don't obey the traffic laws...

richb9v
 

That is so wrong.

I think your sarcasm meter need adjustment... :icon_wink::icon_wink::icon_wink:

I am largely in agreement with your post except "the MMPs are NOT dangerous for bikers." MMP's are less dangerous than the roads, but they are not without risk. There are a minority of cart drivers that simply will not stay on their side of the road (or pass you 1-2 feet to your left), and that is particularly dangerous around blind corners. There have been at least one-half dozen times when I have come around a corner only to be head to head with a golf cart coming right at me. One day, I even saw a golf cart slam into a pedestrian and knock her flat on the pavement. Fortunately, the driver was going slow and I think the pedestrian ended up being only stunned.

Please, golf cart drivers, imagine a center line and stay on your side of it.

Long time pedal pusher here…just my opinion but no way do I ride my bike in the streets of FL….Exception being my immediate neighborhood. FL has the highest bicyclist fatalities per capital. As we age so do our reactions behind the wheel.

Common sense and common courtesy, neither of which are common anymore, would go a long way when it comes to sharing the golf cart paths and roads.

I’ve heard tale of cart drivers buzzing pedestrians and cyclists, but have never personally seen such an incident. The overwhelming majority of passive-aggressive rudeness I’ve witnessed has come from cyclists and walkers who absolutely refuse to move out of the way for faster moving traffic.

When I see cyclists or walkers on the paths, I get the same feeling that most car drivers get when they see a golf cart or cyclists on BV or Morse.

As an aside, I’m thrilled to start seeing more Atomic Carts on the paths. Last week a lady actually stopped and gave me a look that was a cross between rage and constipation. I just smiled and waved as I made my turn.

Just because it is legal for you to cycle on the roads doesn't make it any safer for you. In an area where there is a large concentration of older diminished capability drivers, this should the last place a bicycle rider would want to ride their bicycle. I give bicyclists room and consideration when driving but I cringe when thinking about riding my bike on the main roads.
One day I watched a pickup truck intentionally come as close to a cyclist as he could, I was expecting the truck to hit the cyclist. I wish I could have gotten the license plate of the truck but he was traveling too fast for me to safely try and catch up to get it. Being legal doesn't make you any less dead.

:bigbow:

Looks like we are BOTH right and BOTH wrong:

2021 Florida Statutes

316.2065 Bicycle regulations.—

(b) When stopping at a stop sign, persons riding bicycles in groups, after coming to a full stop and obeying all traffic laws, may proceed through the stop sign in a group of 10 or fewer at a time. Motor vehicle operators must allow one such group to travel through the intersection before moving forward.

So 10 or fewer---you are correct
More than 10, I am correct

Call it a draw.

They have a death wish.

I get it ..you don't want them on the road ... especially a group. Here's the reality....they are safer in a group and it's not against the law for them to do so. Cyclists riding as a group is actually safer and more convenient for motorists than riding single file.

You don't want to wait on a cycling group as a whole in a RB? Seriously???!! So, you want each individual cyclist to go independently between separate cars???!!! How completely unsafe and obtrusive is that for everyone? How long do you want everyone to wait for 30 cyclists to enter a busy RB just because you don't want to wait 10 seconds?
Calm down... relax...take a deep breath. What are you in such a hurry to do in The Villages that you can't be delayed a few seconds?

SMH 😁

SMH

In reality, and according to that statute, treating a group of 10 or less as a single entity only applies to stop signs. The prior reference was to groups ignoring yield signs at roundabouts. This statute does not apply and, therefore, the individuals must yield to any vehicle already in the roundabout.

Because they can

True but it’s not always the smartest thing to do. 3,000 lb car driven by a senior will walk away without a scratch however the slow hard to see bike won’t.

The most interesting aspect of this thread is how posters split into "tribes". I would think most cyclists also drive a car, a golf cart, and at some point are pedestrians as well. Human nature is such that a cyclist is annoyed when coming up on a slow pedestrian on a MMP. When driving his cart, the same cyclist is annoyed at a slow cyclist. When driving his car on BV or Morse, he is annoyed at so called "street legal" carts. And on the interstate he is annoyed at a car driving 50 in the left lane. It all looks like a matter of perspective, but it is all the same people just driving different vehicles at different times.

As far a cyclists on the roads go, I'm fine with it as long as they follow the applicable laws. It just seems from these threads when they come up that at least some cyclists are very knowledgeable of what the law states about cars, but don't seem to want to know what the law says about the cyclists. Also, there are cyclists and there are cyclists. There are some who are very serious and have even passed me in my cart. Then there are quite elderly riders who are wobbling around at 4 mph---and it's very frightening to see one of them headed out onto BV, especially considering some pedestrians could pass them on the MMPs

However, on the MMPs, even though I don't ride I would vote that the cyclists are the best behaved group. Both pedestrians and cart drivers act like they own the path---I just love to be on the MMP and have 3 pedestrians across the whole path walking right at me, yacking away and not moving 1 inch. Likewise, I've seen carts go full speed around a blind curve in the oncoming lane. At least cyclists seem to have a head on their shoulders.

I couldn't find anything that specifically related to yield signs. Do they have to stop individually like cars? Do they get to go in groups of 10 like a stop sign? I don't know, but it would seem odd that the law would allow groups of 10 through stop signs but hold them individually at a yield sign.

No, you STILL don't get it. I don't care if they are on the road, I only want them to obey the law. I cited the law that allows groups of 10 through stop signs. Surely you're not suggesting they should go 30 and disobey the law?

But to answer your question, NO, I don't want to wait "10 seconds" at a dead stop in a RB when I have the right of way----some "bozo" may plow right into my rear. How about those cyclists wait 5 seconds to enter the RB, in accordance with the law? I don't think I'm the one who needs to calm down and relax.

Bike riders
 

As these regular posters are want to do they've taken a legitimate comment/question and turned it into a slam against one group or another: Bikers vs carters, vs walkers, vs runners.

In my opinion there are two issues as it relates to bikers: Single riders and group riders. Don't know if I've seen group riders on the MMPs but if there are, they ought not be there eventhough it's legal to do so. Legal or not, it is unsafe. Single riders on the other hand should ride where they are most comfortable.

I use MMP a lot and have yet to encounter an issue with a biker. Sure, I have to slow down until I can get safely around them but "them's the rules of the road" and wht common courtesy demands. Likewise with walkers/runners though for these folks it's much easier and safer for them to step off the road than for a biker to pull off and stop. Yet,I am always ready to stop if I can not safely swing wide to give them plenty of room whether in cart lane or on MMP.

The main problem with walkers/runners early AM and Late PM is being able to see them as many wear dark clothes and do not carry any kind of light or reflective vest. In the AM on my way to play golf I avoid the MMP where I can for this very reason and remain vigilant for walkers. I drive in the street as long as there are no cars behind me so I don't have to worry about a "pop-up" walker that I couldn't see. Though I know sense is not common, if we all practice it along with the golden rule these and many other issues would go away.

I almost hit one driving down Buena Vista. I went to the sheriffs office on 466 to ask that very question. And the response from the sheriff said because They can. And it’s worldwide. I don’t understand why bikers are allowed to be put themselves in such a dangerous ride. The recreation trails would be perfect for them to use

You have been lucky. My husband was hit by golf carts from behind 4 times on the multi modal lane and hospitalized each time by careless cart drivers over a 11 year period and only once while driving on the roads, again from behind by a reckless driver. Be was a professional racer, so knows the rules and how to ride. The cart drivers all said that they didn't see him in his bright yellow or orange bike shirt. Be careful out there, there is no fully safe place for bike riders, and on a bike you are never fully in control of your own safety anywhere.

Bicyclists on the road
 

I see nothing wrong with bicyclists in the road. It is when you have multiple bikes on the roan and take the entire lane. They need to stay to the side of the road.

It is very possible that they didn't see him. I have seen so many drivers, cart and automobile, that absolutely shouldn't be operating anything more complicated than a tricycle.

You only stop at yield signs if you have to yield to oncoming traffic...

So, the comparison isn't really there...

One bike, or multiple bikes, they still are entitled to their lane...

You may pass them, in your car when it's safe to go around them...

Let's just assume I'm talking about yield signs when traffic IS approaching. If there is no traffic then does a tree falling in the forest make a sound??????

I don't know... But the corollary to that is, "If a man speaks in the forest and his wife isn't there to hear him, is he still wrong?"

I think we ALL know the answer to that one! :icon_wink::icon_wink::icon_wink:

I’m sorry for your husband’s misfortune.

But I think I’ve been “lucky” at least partially due to the riding habits I detailed in my post. I am not on the pavement when a cart is anywhere near me. If that’s luck, I plan to maximize it every time I ride.

Yes they should obey laws and rules of the road, but unfortunately the majority don’t!

I'm totally calm...lol! Enjoying the absurdity of comments. Cyclists are here to stay...in fact, we're growing in numbers everyday.
The majority of owners are cyclists in the new areas south.
They are below 65 and cycle into all areas of TV. How do I know...because I'm one of them.
Whether you let 10 or 30 through at a RB doesn't matter. Just remember, you hit or cause a cyclist to be injured...there's going to be witnesses (a lot of us wear GoPros) and if you could have avoided them...you are going to be held responsible. That's not conjecture...it's fact...and the law.
Enjoy your day ..I'm going out to ride!!!

There seem to be several on here, both motorists and cyclists, who aren't aware of the bicycle laws - that's unfortunate.

What's worse are the few who imply/suggest/state/brag they will knowingly break the law because they can get away with it. It's no wonder groups get a bad reputation.

[QUOTE=Topgun 1776;2006057]I'm totally calm...lol! Enjoying the absurdity of comments. Cyclists are here to stay...in fact, we're growing in numbers everyday.
The majority of owners are cyclists in the new areas south. /QUOTE]

The majority? I highly doubt that...

A higher percentage than North of 44? Possibly, but the MAJORITY? Sure...

Why does this remind me of third grade. Caught, cheating. Defense but you didn't catch Johnny. I am not perfect. Sadly, people object to what others do. Our major control is what we do.

Bicycles are street legal by State Laws. Although they have become rude to traffic, it’s a good thing that stay off of the golf cart paths!

We were stuck behind a group of about a dozen cyclist on a multimodal path other day and they wouldn’t let us pass. So much for better behavior from cyclists.