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Bogie Shooter 04-19-2020 01:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Choro&Swing (Post 1749381)
Answer from a Facebook letter from a Nurse in Michigan:

“I am posting, for once, about something other than my dog.

I have seen 4 patients die, 5 get intubated, 2 re-intubated, witnessed family consent to make 2 more patients DNRs, sweat my butt off during CPR, titrated so many drips to no avail, watched vent settings increase to no avail. We are exhausted and at a total loss.

All of this in two shifts in a row.

Some of you people have never done EVERYTHING you could to save someone, and watched them die anyway, and it shows.

I would have no problem if you fools worried about your "freedom" all went out and got COVID. If only you could sign a form stating that you revoke your right to have medical treatment based on your cavalier antics and refusal to abide by CDC and medical professionals' advice. If you were the only people who got infected during your escapades to protest tyranny, great. But that's sadly not how this works.

You wanna complain because the garden aisle is closed? If you knew a thing about gardening, you'd know it's too early to plant in Michigan. Your garden doesn't matter. If killing your plants would bring back my patients, I would pillage the **** out of your "essential" garden beds.

Upset because you can't go boating...in Michigan...in April...in the cold-ass water? You wanna tell my patient's daughter (who was sobbing as she said goodbye to her father over the phone) about your first-world problems?

Upset because you can't go to your cottage up north? Your cottage...your second property...used for leisure. My coworkers can't even stay in their regular homes. Most have been staying in hotels and dorms, not able to see their spouses or babies.

All of these posts, petitions online to evade "tyranny", it's all such bull****. I'm sorry you're bored and have nothing to do but bitch and moan. You wanna pick up a couple hours for me? Yeah, didn't think so. I wouldn't trust most of you with patient care, anyway. Not just because of the selfish lack of humanity your posts exude, but because most of those posts and petitions are so riddled with misspellings and grammatical errors, that it makes me question your cognitive capacity.

Shoutout to my coworkers, the real MVPs.”
There are a number posters on TOTV that should read this...………...3 times!

JoMar 04-19-2020 01:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jswirs (Post 1749040)
I could not agree more with your assessment. I prefer to live in the good old USA. If I should happen to die from this virus, so be it. I would rather die a free man than live my life in fear or even extreme caution, not knowing what I will have to sacrifice just so that I can continue to live. To quote Julius Cesar, from my high school days, "Cowards die many times before their death, the valiant taste of death but once. It seems to me most strange that men should fear, seeing that death, a necessary end, will come when it will come".
Easy to say while you are healthy. Wait till you are sick or even very sick, will you look at your spouse, your kids and grand kids and show them, by example, what it is to select death. Is that the image you want to leave for them? Do you want them to know, that having all information, knowing the only cure is your imume system, you walked into death so you could get to the squares to hear music?

ColdNoMore 04-19-2020 02:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Choro&Swing (Post 1749381)
Answer from a Facebook letter from a Nurse in Michigan:

“I am posting, for once, about something other than my dog.

I have seen 4 patients die, 5 get intubated, 2 re-intubated, witnessed family consent to make 2 more patients DNRs, sweat my butt off during CPR, titrated so many drips to no avail, watched vent settings increase to no avail. We are exhausted and at a total loss.

All of this in two shifts in a row.

Some of you people have never done EVERYTHING you could to save someone, and watched them die anyway, and it shows.

I would have no problem if you fools worried about your "freedom" all went out and got COVID. If only you could sign a form stating that you revoke your right to have medical treatment based on your cavalier antics and refusal to abide by CDC and medical professionals' advice. If you were the only people who got infected during your escapades to protest tyranny, great. But that's sadly not how this works.

You wanna complain because the garden aisle is closed? If you knew a thing about gardening, you'd know it's too early to plant in Michigan. Your garden doesn't matter. If killing your plants would bring back my patients, I would pillage the **** out of your "essential" garden beds.

Upset because you can't go boating...in Michigan...in April...in the cold-ass water? You wanna tell my patient's daughter (who was sobbing as she said goodbye to her father over the phone) about your first-world problems?

Upset because you can't go to your cottage up north? Your cottage...your second property...used for leisure. My coworkers can't even stay in their regular homes. Most have been staying in hotels and dorms, not able to see their spouses or babies.

All of these posts, petitions online to evade "tyranny", it's all such bull****. I'm sorry you're bored and have nothing to do but bitch and moan. You wanna pick up a couple hours for me? Yeah, didn't think so. I wouldn't trust most of you with patient care, anyway. Not just because of the selfish lack of humanity your posts exude, but because most of those posts and petitions are so riddled with misspellings and grammatical errors, that it makes me question your cognitive capacity.

Shoutout to my coworkers, the real MVPs.”
Your post gives me hope, that there are less selfish/nasty/self-absorbed people out there...than it sometimes seems. :ohdear:

To all of those in that nurse's situation, please take care of yourself as you go day-to-day and try to remember, with comfort & knowledge...that you ARE so very much appreciated. :BigApplause:

You, your coworkers and so many others (some even making poverty wages, who have no health insurance, leave to use or ability to telecommute), ie: convenience/grocery store workers and others like delivery & truck drivers/railroad workers/mail workers/Etc., not to even mention police/fire/first responders/Etc., Etc. ...are MY and many others REAL heroes. :bigbow:

ColdNoMore 04-19-2020 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1749416)
There are a number posters on TOTV that should read this...………...3 times!
:bigbow:...:bigbow:...:bigbow:

Scorpyo 04-19-2020 02:11 PM
Grow Up
 
Can you believe they won’t let me a have a bunch of drinks and go site seeing in my car? That’s just wrong. I can’t believe I can’t drive as fast as I want through a school zone or around a stopped school bus. After all I’m late for work and they want me to jeopardize my job. Dam government. Can you believe they won’t let me smoke a carton of cigarettes in a restaurant? Hey if other people don’t like it they should stay home. Can you believe I have to go to a gun range to shoot my weapons. I should be able to shoot cans in my backyard with my .357 magnum. If the neighbors don’t like it they should stay indoors. Based on some of the comments I’ve read it would appear that some would actually want to do some of the things I’ve listed above.

For those who feel we should immediately get back to playing pickelball, dancing, restaurants, etc. let me tell you how I feel. If I should get the virus even though I’m doing what’s right then so be it. What I don’t want to do is spread it to someone else.

I really don’t know the folks that said if I get it while I’m being “free” then that’s the breaks. If you get it that’s fine with me. But if you’re so reckless what makes you think you won’t give it to someone else, maybe even a younger person with a family. Reality check – some younger people do get it and die. Don’t you care about giving it to others? Probably not. Well why don’t you look closer to home? There are plenty of people who, unfortunately, think like you. So, what do you think of them sharing the virus with the younger people in your family such as your children or grandchildren. Actually I’m a little scared of what your answer might be. I have two sons. One with the NYPD the other with the FDNY. They have a better than average chance of contracting the virus, unfortunately that chance is escalated by selfish attitudes of some of the respondents to this subject.

Reminds me of my kids when they were young. You take away their playtime and they rant and rave. Guess some just don’t grow up.

ColdNoMore 04-19-2020 02:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1749424)
Easy to say while you are healthy. Wait till you are sick or even very sick, will you look at your spouse, your kids and grand kids and show them, by example, what it is to select death. Is that the image you want to leave for them? Do you want them to know, that having all information, knowing the only cure is your imume system, you walked into death so you could get to the squares to hear music?
In a perfect world, there would be a way to ensure that only those types suffered the consequences...of their selfish and lack-of-a-conscience attitude. :oops:

But alas... :ohdear:

OrangeBlossomBaby 04-19-2020 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by popbaby2 (Post 1749290)
So they should hire more ambassadors. I’m not playing but i live on a golf course, and all the players i see are practicing social distancing. I wear a mask when i (rarely) go out, and support the quarantine, but golf should not be limited by the absence of ambassadors.
Well by all means, petition to the powers that be so that you can personally interview all the applicants, weed out the ones that won't qualify, then schedule their group orientation, which would require you to purchase a building and open it just for the occasion - since the offices and halls usually designated for this are closed due to a pandemic you might not have heard about.

Your first world problems are trite and trivial. Play handball against your house wall if you really need to get a ball from point A to point B and not being able to do so during the appropriate tee-times is hurting you in your feelings place.

OrangeBlossomBaby 04-19-2020 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by CastleSteve (Post 1749334)
I believe that the government should require everyone that works in stores that are considered to be Essential should be wearing a facial mask and also require any customer that enters the essentials store also be wearing a mask as long as they are in the store. That way the employees protect the customer's and the customer's protect the employees as long as this 30 day period lasts unless they increase the time.
I wish they'd eliminate the end-dates for everything. The answer to "when will these things re-open" should be "when the virus tapers off and/or a working vaccine is made available to the public."

And anyone who is not at *medical risk* who refuses to take the vaccine, would have to continue isolation/quarantine, until the virus is gone - whether for the season, or forever - whichever comes first.

OrangeBlossomBaby 04-19-2020 03:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jswirs (Post 1749040)
I could not agree more with your assessment. I prefer to live in the good old USA. If I should happen to die from this virus, so be it. I would rather die a free man than live my life in fear or even extreme caution, not knowing what I will have to sacrifice just so that I can continue to live. To quote Julius Cesar, from my high school days, "Cowards die many times before their death, the valiant taste of death but once. It seems to me most strange that men should fear, seeing that death, a necessary end, will come when it will come".
Caesar was a dictator, and was assassinated by his own Senators. His rise to power and subsequent assassination on the Ides of March triggered the fall of the Roman Empire.

xNYer 04-19-2020 03:27 PM
Quarantine
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bumpygreens (Post 1749375)
Confining the sick, and limiting their contact with others is called quarantine. Doing the same to a healthy person is imprisonment. Making excuses to blur the distinction is demagoguery.
Quarantine from Miriam-Webster
: a restraint upon the activities or communication of persons or the transport of goods designed to prevent the spread of disease or pests

You created a self made definition.

mjpuleo 04-19-2020 03:33 PM
everyone should do their part to stay healthy and safe and there would be no controversy

coffeebean 04-19-2020 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by dougjb (Post 1749145)

..........Can't we just please take a deep breath, watch another episode of Leave it to Beaver, knowing that the restrictions will be lifted when it is appropriate that be lifted. Perhaps that time will be when we can all be tested?
I can not ever imagine everyone in our country being tested. Those who test negative will need to be tested every couple of days or at most, every week. Are we going to test everyone for as long as it takes for them to test positive? That is an awful lot of testing and, IMHO, an impossible feat.

jklfairwin 04-19-2020 03:58 PM
I don't mind anyone choosing to die for whatever reason, but don't endanger my life in the process.

BevSparks 04-19-2020 06:19 PM
Once people get tested for antibody things will begin to return to normal. In the future it might be a good idea to wear a mask when you are sick and out in public so you don't infect others. I say that because I have no immune system and have to be extra careful every single day, I can't swim in pools and have to be very careful touching anything in public. I am living as if everyone has a virus of some type on a daily basis. I also wear a mask if I have a cold so I do not infect others. :)

jimmio 04-19-2020 07:22 PM
I'll only comment on your first point.
I'm 58, my neighbors are both in their 90's and lovely people.
I look out for them like I was their son and am never asked to do anything outside of the norm.
I love them. God Bless them. Yes, I am my brothers keeper.


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