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Originally Posted by Goldwingnut (Post 2092289)

Both are owned by the Brownwood CDD (a unit of local government not a private entity -aka the developer) and are included in Exhibit A of the Project Wide Agreement as are most of the public/entertainment areas in both LSL and BW. So, under the terms of the Project Wide Agreement the maintenance will fall to the Project Wide Fund. They are no different than many other structures and facilities in the community owned by all the CDDs that fall under the agreement, the key difference in my mind is that these are purely ornamental and have no functional need or requirement.

Knowing well the current PWF budget and having seen the proposed budstill being worked for next fiscal year I'm still on the fence with this "emergency?"get that is budget item. How did they get in this condition so fast? Why are we only just now seeing the problem? How does a real windmill last decades on a farm but just 10 years in the town square? What will be lost if both are just raised and not rebuilt? How many residents have ever noticed they even existed? What are the legal responsibilities for the Project Wide Agreement to keep/replace the feature? These and many more unanswered questions need to be answered.

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2092978)

Per CDD Website for Brownwood:

Maintenance of the infrastructure is provided through an annual assessment to commercial property owners based upon square footage of the benefitting properties.

:shrug::shrug::shrug:

I'll admit sometimes my pea brain just doesn't click. If this is solely the developer's responsibility why would Goldwingnut be on the fence and publish this huge dissertation ? Got to be a reasonable explanation but at the moment beyond me. What is his role in the developers sole business ? And if this all is true why do we care ? When was the last time you heard anyone say let's take a cruise to see the Brownwood water tower and windmill ? 90% didn't know it existed until "oh no" they are taking another thing away.

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2093094)

If this is solely the developer's responsibility .

It's not.

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2092977)

Palms could be planted and then the whiners could bitch why they were not being trimmed.:a040:

Whining about whiners!

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2092978)

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2093098)

It's not.

Help - you said "Maintenance of the infrastructure is provided through an annual assessment to commercial property owners based upon square footage of the benefitting properties." Who owns commercial property here other than the developer. Are the rec centers classified as commercial property thus the PWAC and AAC are paying into the PWF budget? If so that's our amenity fees.

it was poorly designed...I've noticed the rotting wood for more than a couple of years now

It needs to be addressed

stop whining, someone could get injured

besides...it's a nice entry way to Brownwood that needs to be kept up

IMHO

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2093101)

Help

The developer includes the charges in the rent to the tenants.
(the developer does have space for their use, so they will be paying some)
I doubt the CDD will make a special assessment for $200k, so the funds have already been collected and assessed.

Now that being said, it's pretty difficult to draw a solid line from revenue sources to expenditures.................so I'm not shocked if we all pay for the replacements one way or another. What's it going to cost each of us???........$5 maybe. Not worth all the hot air posts.

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2093107)

Wow - a definite maybe the expenditure gets back to us but it doesn't matter - it's so little. OK!

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2093114)

Wow - a definite maybe the expenditure gets back to us but it doesn't matter - it's so little. OK!

:wave::wave:

$5 here $100 there, it soon added up. Yes, I know I can move and probably will be in couple years…..:MOJE_whot:

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2093114)

Wow - a definite maybe the expenditure gets back to us but it doesn't matter - it's so little. OK!

How much other shoddy works gets passed thru to us to pay for replacement?

Sometimes the little things manage to become big things

I don't think the entertainment square is the Developers responsibility since it is there for the enjoyment of the public therefore is the responsibility of the residents to maintain it. The infrastructure is what supports the rental properties which is what the renters contribute to. The business's also contribute to the nightly entertainment, as does the Developer. I'm happy we have a system in place that takes care of this stuff without imposing an additional assessment on the residents every time something fails. Another mountain growing from that ant hill.

Keep the Windmill & Water Tower

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Originally Posted by Goldwingnut (Post 2092289)

Both are owned by the Brownwood CDD (a unit of local government not a private entity - aka the developer) and are included in Exhibit A of the Project Wide Agreement as are most of the public/entertainment areas in both LSL and BW. So, under the terms of the Project Wide Agreement the maintenance will fall to the Project Wide Fund. They are no different than many other structures and facilities in the community owned by all the CDDs that fall under the agreement, the key difference in my mind is that these are purely ornamental and have no functional need or requirement.

Knowing well the current PWF budget and having seen the proposed budget that is still being worked for next fiscal year I'm still on the fence with this "emergency?" budget item. How did they get in this condition so fast? Why are we only just now seeing the problem? How does a real windmill last decades on a farm but just 10 years in the town square? What will be lost if both are just raised and not rebuilt? How many residents have ever noticed they even existed? What are the legal responsibilities for the Project Wide Agreement to keep/replace the feature? These and many more unanswered questions need to be answered.

My wife and I recently became residents of TV's after searching for many years for a place to retire. These structures, although not functional, were a very visible part of the reason we moved here. The decor, themes and lifestyle of TV squares cannot be found elsewhere. We took pictures of them during our initial visit to remind us what TV was all about. They're iconic and unique.

We'd vote to replace them with structures that would last decades. We'd be willing to contribute to a fund to help save them so others might enjoy what makes this place special.

PS - your Youtube channel also helped us decide on TV. Yesterday we became customers of one of your sponsors. Thanks for the work you do!

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Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 2093263)

So if you think the residents are responsible for the maintaining the squares then they should be for residents and guests only. But then TV would lose the Sumter County contribution of $150,000 for entertainment at LSL and BPS.

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2093100)

Whining about whiners!

Guilty.:ohdear: