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Large Home Owners
 

I am betting the farm that the ones who don't see anything wrong with this own large homes and are not exposed to the problems short term, non restricted rentals bring to a community. I doubt they care about the one who, because of the nature of the community have no way to protect against the abuse. Am I wrong?:wave:

Thank you for the comment on Oil DRippings. We contacted the Villages Office, well, it seems no one cares. We have a beautiful place and why do we have to turn it into another La or Chicago. Leaking cars from anyone in the driveway should be a very big fine and towed away. Only if the management and only if the people want neat and tidy neighborhoods, hopefully, it may happen. In southern Cal. a Del Webb will or did, have rules. If you do not pull your car in the garage, you get a notice. If you do not close your garage door, they do it and will give you a notice. All of this is spelled out and it is not occupant driven, it is patrolled and monitored and it is the most clean and orderly and attractive place you have ever seen, but, it is in Cal. We could but will not have that here.
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I have no direct knowledge of some of the rental problems being described in the previous posts, however below is a direct quote from the VCDD website:

Residential Use Restrictions: Property must be devoted only to single-family residential use. Properties within the Subdivision are intended for residential use and no commercial, professional or similar activity requiring either maintaining an inventory, equipment or customer/client visits may be conducted in a Home or on a Homesite.

Please those of you that know of these situations, CALL community standards 352-751-3912 and explain the situation. If you CALL your complaint is anonymous.
Hope this helps.

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Please be careful, when you want evidence, you are really running the risk of Exposure and retaliation. This control is best handled with the main office and Standards. They need to observe and take action if they want a beautiful place. If the employees of the Village, drive around and park along side each other, visiting, and if the management wants every person to expose themselves to retaliation, then there will be no progress or very little progress on this item. In one city, a person parked his car on the front lawn. There was nothing about this in the CC and Rs. Well a couple of persons complained and next thing, the offender drug up a couple of rusty old cars in provided by a friend. So take that folks !! The neighborhood could do nothing legally to stop the mess, just move away. It comes down to facing the problem, having a management group that cares, otherwise, you just spin your wheels. If you want to rationalize this or look the other way, (that is done here on this site), then you may see some real messes. Enough of that. Been there SEEN THAT THREE TIMES.

Don't agree
 

I'm not sure what you mean by a large home. Is a "designer" a large home? Anyway, I know many people who you may be talking about who do many hours a week of volunteer work helping in soup kitchens, thrift stores, hospital, etc. etc. and who donate not only their money but also their time to many community charities. Let's not put those who worked hard, grew up poor and saved their money and happen to own a large house into a pigeon hole of not caring about their "brothers and sisters" who are less fortunate. That is not fair and As one who has lived in The Villages 10 years (first home was a patio Villa) I don't find that living in a large home has anything to do with this Thread.

I'm guessing that the "boss" who rented the Villa for the workers thought that because it was behind closed walls that would make it all right. This situation is an exception and not the rule in The Villages. None of us would want to live next door, behind or across the street from what the OP described. Just a thought........

From bbbbbb We do live in the Villages. We really like the Villages and we want to see it preserved. We actually do things to promote that. It seems some folks have different standards, some folks care and some do not. For posters who have expressed concern, they may see a trend and are trying to do something about it, that is admiral in our book and it is a nice thing to see that a lot of folks recognize a problem and want to see a solution. Just downgrading that person accomplishes nothing for sure. For the postings that are here, it seems most folks want to increase home values in a positive way.
Good luck to those who care. bbbbbb
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bbbbb The post by PENNbf is outstanding for sure.
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NIMBY applies here - "Until I can hear it and see it it doesn't bother me" But if it IS next door WOW!!

Depending on the neighbor I can sometimes take their comments with a grain of salt. First house a patio villa, we had a neighbor few doors down, tell us when we came down, how much the owner never cared about the house, took care of the house. She would have to call and have the lawn cut and the shrubs taken care of, have someone clean the outside of the house and added pine straw and sent the bill to the owners. I asked one day how well she knew the owners and she said very well they've just never shown up after they first bought the house. Your just a renter. I smiled not sure if she was just very confused. She had come to our house on five separate occasions, didn't realize that we are the owners. Sometimes there are those neighbors who are confused on different days. Our other neighbors in fact would email us and let us know everything was doing well after storms, at our house as well as our home watch person. Sometimes you just get a crazy neighbor. We sold the house and the new owners love the house use it as a vacation home, however the crazy neighbor down the street is now calling them and threatening them to have things done to the house because they just don't care. New owners love the house don't appreciate the neighbor. Glad we moved. I don't agree that all owners who rent don't care about their home, it's about the money. If there is a problem you could drop a note to the owner, they may not know what's going on.

No retirement community is perfect but after looking at several over a span of three years we settled on Florida and The Villages. The Villages is by far the best IMHO. I have no idea why the Developer didn't put a minimum of 3 months on renting a house in the deed restrictions. Personally, I think it would have been a good idea. Perhaps, it was because of not having a mandatory HOA and having the HOA deal with violators or perhaps something else. At this point it really doesn't matter. It is what it is and The Villages is still a great place to live.

I think that is a true observation.

I wonder if there is an occupancy rate restriction for single family homes in whatever county this villa the OP refers to is in.

What does this mean? Second hand? Told by someone at the Sales Office?

I believe that no matter the size of the home, the rules are the same. Can you imagine how a person would feel if they read on here that those living in a smaller home don't care about other people having problems with uncaring renters abusing a situation??? What in the world does the size of the home and the implied amount of money have to do with how people care about others???

I will tell you. Not a damn thing.

P.S. We rented in Harmeswood when our home was being built. Homes of all shapes and sizes are rented to all kinds of people...MOSTLY NICE well behaved people. As others have said, this isn't a widespread problem. It is deplorable but not the norm. Why would anyone want to make people think that it is the norm???

I think this is a good reminder that the rental policy in a community is important. I think daily, weekly etc rentals are not in keeping with what most people are looking for in a retirement community. I think their are reasons why residences may want/need to rent their property but I think requirements such as 6 month or 1 year rental periods are a reasonable compromise for all.

This is for Bogie Shooter who likes to parse. We are required to be nice, so I will be. At any time you can phone The Villages sales office at Lake Sumter Landing ask for a manager and inquire whether there have been any complaints about this situation. You can also call the recreation department and ask whether the statements in this thread about asking young men in masse to leave the Pinellas pool are factual. You have questions. Why not obtain the answers to them from the proverbial horses mouth ?

My hypothesis..... owner of construction company, be it concrete or home builder, buys home for a great price considering the relationship with the developer. One of the perks in hiring is a rent free home while employee is working. Once area is built out, rehab home and sell for a profit. Seems reasonable to me. Don't agree with it, but just my assessment.

You make a good point and my gut feeling is that you very well may be correct.

If I owned a construction company doing long term work in TV, I would certainly look very hard at this exact option.



As to limiting rents to 3 months or more, I am a bit ambivalent on that one.

A two week, then a month rental the following year.....is what made up our minds to buy here.

Had we not had that option, it's entirely likely that we would have missed being able to live the entire TV 'experience.' :shrug:

Conversely, short-term rentals to those who are not all that responsible to begin with...can be a real issue.

just imagine how many workers you could squeeze into a bigger home...

3 beds to a room and 3 more in the den, 3 in the dining room....probably fit about 15 or more construction workers, all splitting the rent, 15 ways.....pretty darn cheap.....about 6-8 trucks squeezed in the driveway..... welcome neighbors....

Think about it.... it could happen... need changes in the rules .....

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How so
 

Perhaps I'm not the brightest bulb in the ceiling but (off the top of my head) fail to see how a 3 month minimum for rentals would drop property values Big Time as you say. Many condo complexes along both coast of Florida (properties ($300,000 to $750,000) have such restrictions and I know of deed restricted subdivisions that even have deed restrictions of 1 year minimum lease and some no renting period. Their property values have not reduced at all. Some would argue this makes their homes more valuable.

Anyway, the point is rather mute as it is what it is in The Villages and way too late to make a change. What the OP pointed out is the exception not the rule in The Villages IMHO.

No, you are not.

What do you consider large homes? Our home now is less square feet than our basement in our two story house up north. Most seem to downsize here. There are two premiers down the street that are rented. The only problem was their SUVs was too tall to garage it, so it was in the drive, they were young, but I love the mix of people who come here.

Short Term Rentals
 

I have rented in The Villages several times since 2011. All of my rentals have been short term (one to two weeks). I would love to be able to rent in TV for three to six months, but I am still working, and their aren't too many employers who will give an employee 3 months vacation to check out TV. I have a feeling that there are probably quite a few potential buyers who are younger (55 to 60) who are in the same boat as I am and can only rent for a month or less.

This short term renter has always been well behaved -- no accidents, arrests, traffic tickets, wild parties, damage to the home or golf cart. I have always received 100% of my security deposit back when the rentals have ended.

If rentals were limited to a minimum of 3 or 6 months, would there be a lot of potential buyers who would miss out on the The Villages experience? I know some have posted that they have purchased a home during their first visit or first rental or during a lifestyle preview visit, but I am betting many people don't buy until after their second or third rental just to be sure ownership in TV is the right decision.

It is up to landlords to check out the backgrounds of their potential tenants before the lease is signed. If any landlord wanted to check me out, I would be happy to provide references. And if I were a landlord, I would be checking on the backgrounds and references of potential tenants before the lease would be signed.

Minimum 3-months of rental would do nothing.

Personally, I think that if renters are trashing the place and are behaving like trash, it's better to have them out after ONE month, not wait for three/four/five/six months to pass!!

Referring to my #38 post as respects this thread I speculated at the time I wrote it that perhaps the Developer who has some close associations with his subcontracts devised this arrangement in order to complete the build out and in doing so helped by reducing contractor employee turnover. I ignored it because it would have deviated from this topic. However some 3-4 posters have brought it up. It is a possibility.

As respects my post #38 and my great concern for TV's rental policy I did as some posters suggested took it to the District > I was summarily told they had no legal or administrative power to do anything about it. so I posed the rhetorical question of then who does and do you have an address?

The above poster posit that a three month policy allows renters to thrash the place for 3 months. this may be a possibility since no one seems to be policing who lives here and certainly if the home is purchased for solely rental purposes, well rent is income and income is profit and the rest be damned .

I happen to disagree and would prefer long term rental agreements because this is our home and we should treat it as such and not a vacation destination because the latter will create the chaos, etc found in other Florida communities.

There is a built in problem within this community in addition to the no rules application of rentals but I'll leave that for another discussion.

In the years that I have lived here this is the very first time I have witnessed so many people publicly showing concern for their investment and having a rational discussion about the effect it has on our community. Indeed this is not about RENTERS many of whom are welcome additions. NO rather its about the RENTAL RULES OR LACK THEREOF THAT HAS AN EFFECT ON OUR WAY OF LIFE AND OUR FINANCIAL INVESTMENT.

The question I still have is exactly how important is it to you as a resident? I also posed these same sort of questions to the POA and perhaps I am wrong but was left with the impressed they were not interested.

The rental policy is measured only as it is profitable to those who have financial interests in making a profit. Well the rest of us have a financial interest in our invested properties and we should likewise be concerned. There is a win win here but first we need residents to speak up...and the higher the dollar amount of your investment the greater the potential loss, albeit many resident have invested near their life savings in this community.

My thought is if the POA gets a sufficient number of inquiries showing concern here that it may prompt them to act. I did and 1 is the loneliest number that there ever was....... Perhaps residents will disagree with me entirely and this is not an issue at all? I opine others can decide
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Post a picture of whats happening--this thread without real proof is worthless--pictures from the pool, pictures of the trucks in the driveway--pictures of the beds/cots

I'm not weighing in on whether they did or didn't rent a villa to laborers, but the OP doesn't mention anything that these renters did wrong. Are they loud? Do they make a mess? Are they violating parking restrictions? Are they disrespectful? It certainly isn't wrong to rent a property to someone who is a laborer.

If they are getting picked up at dropped off, they are probably illegals. I would think there would be cheaper rentals outside the bubble, unless the owner is the subcontractor.

How would one get pictures of the beds, or why? Peeping Tom.

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Given the politics of the developer, he would never (under ANY circumstances) allow illegals from a contractor or subcontractor to work here...would he? ;)



I know...right? :oops:

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Exactly!

Many (including myself) are/were in the same boat and didn't/don't have the time to spend months here at one stretch, when first looking.

Thanks Gracie Girl

I think you hit the nail on the head with "I bet I won't hear back"

The lack of specificity as to what villas is the giveaway unless we should all look for growing oil spots in driveways.

Anyone can rent to anyone for any length of time they want to here in The Villages. We have never rented to anyone, and I suppose if rules were passed there might be some criticism of the developer being the ONLY ones able to rent to prospective buyers and thus be greedy.

There have been rumors and speculation that the home was sold to a contractor in some kind of good deal. There is someone who speculates that the workers could be illegally here. (That is a subject all in itself) Posts say that workers are dripping oil on the pavement from their trucks, and swimming in the pool. (which would be o.k. if they had a valid visitor pass) There have been posts that say that there are a large number of people living in a home, some posts say they arrive for the night. Happydaz says that some home owners have trouble getting out of their own driveway. (parking in the street has been discussed and discussed and remains another unsolved problem) The workers have been described as "gangs of workers". It has been proposed that people who live in bigger homes don't care about the troubles of patio villa neighborhoods. Someone said that I attacked her on this forum about three years ago and what my only two posts to her were, was to tell her to call warranty before she had her granite repaired. She said she was a neighbor and she lives in the Marianna Villas.

I am guessing this mess is in the Marianna Villas? It sounds awful. I can picture it in my mind. Living next door to a home that has many many more people living it it than it can easily hold, their vehicles clogging the streets, the parties and noise bothering people and there are no rules to make this right.

Define the problem.
Gather facts on the problem.
Come to a trial conclusion.

Is there anything anyone can do about this? If so WHAT? Other than feel bad for the folks who live nearby.

Who exactly are you mad at, Happydaz? What do you propose to make this better?

Hallelujah. As always, a clear understanding and a good start in solving the problem.

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I think you might of missed the facts......they did say that this issue WAS reported to the proper authorities.....with no indications of correcting the problems..

In my opinion, that is why they took there hardships to the forum.

That's the way I read it also.