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justjim 07-28-2016 09:54 AM

Rentals are a big business in The Villages. I talked not long ago to a man and wife who said they owned 26 rented properties in The Villages. They are not the only ones that make a business of owing and renting out homes in TV. A number however, I believe are folks who have not retired yet that rent out their home until they retire. I personally know some in the new area of TV who do just that. There are few, if any, issues or problems with these rentals.

What has been pointed out in this Thread is a problem to owners in their neighborhood, and they are looking for answers to a particular set of problems in their neighborhood of Courtyard Villas. That is not to say that this is a widespread problem across all Villas in TV. It's sort of like the abandoned house issue in TV that occasionally occurs. Tough on neighborhoods and a difficult frustrating problem that can take months and sometime years to solve.

It's real when it's in your backyard but not so real when it's somebody's else's issue and problem. In TV, we don't have a mayor or city council to take our issue to---we have TOTV, the other no name paper, VHA, POA, the district CDD, The Daily Sun, Perhaps The Developer and maybe others that I left out thinking off the top of my head.

Well, by now you see the point. Who has any authority to solve this problem outlined in this Thread? That is the person or persons to approach for a solution. Otherwise, overtime it will likely solve itself but that may take lots of patience.

I have said this before. "The Villages is not perfect but it's way ahead of what ever retirement community is in second place." Enough said. Jim

Bogie Shooter 07-28-2016 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by maureenod (Post 1261526)
If they are getting picked up at dropped off, they are probably illegals. I would think there would be cheaper rentals outside the bubble, unless the owner is the subcontractor.

How would one get pictures of the beds, or why? Peeping Tom.

In another words.........you don't know!

Bogie Shooter 07-28-2016 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kstew43 (Post 1261573)
I think you might of missed the facts......they did say that this issue WAS reported to the proper authorities.....with no indications of correcting the problems..

In my opinion, that is why they took there hardships to the forum.

And we know all problems are solved here!:wave:

Bogie Shooter 07-28-2016 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 1261658)
Rentals are a big business in The Villages. I talked not long ago to a man and wife who said they owned 26 rented properties in The Villages. They are not the only ones that make a business of owing and renting out homes in TV. A number however, I believe are folks who have not retired yet that rent out their home until they retire. I personally know some in the new area of TV who do just that. There are few, if any, issues or problems with these rentals.

What has been pointed out in this Thread is a problem to owners in their neighborhood, and they are looking for answers to a particular set of problems in their neighborhood of Courtyard Villas. That is not to say that this is a widespread problem across all Villas in TV. It's sort of like the abandoned house issue in TV that occasionally occurs. Tough on neighborhoods and a difficult frustrating problem that can take months and sometime years to solve.

It's real when it's in your backyard but not so real when it's somebody's else's issue and problem. In TV, we don't have a mayor or city council to take our issue to---we have TOTV, the other no name paper, VHA, POA, the district CDD, The Daily Sun, Perhaps The Developer and maybe others that I left out thinking off the top of my head.

Well, by now you see the point. Who has any authority to solve this problem outlined in this Thread? That is the person or persons to approach for a solution. Otherwise, overtime it will likely solve itself but that may take lots of patience.

I have said this before. "The Villages is not perfect but it's way ahead of what ever retirement community is in second place." Enough said. Jim

Well said!

rubicon 07-28-2016 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 1261658)
Rentals are a big business in The Villages. I talked not long ago to a man and wife who said they owned 26 rented properties in The Villages. They are not the only ones that make a business of owing and renting out homes in TV. A number however, I believe are folks who have not retired yet that rent out their home until they retire. I personally know some in the new area of TV who do just that. There are few, if any, issues or problems with these rentals.

What has been pointed out in this Thread is a problem to owners in their neighborhood, and they are looking for answers to a particular set of problems in their neighborhood of Courtyard Villas. That is not to say that this is a widespread problem across all Villas in TV. It's sort of like the abandoned house issue in TV that occasionally occurs. Tough on neighborhoods and a difficult frustrating problem that can take months and sometime years to solve.

It's real when it's in your backyard but not so real when it's somebody's else's issue and problem. In TV, we don't have a mayor or city council to take our issue to---we have TOTV, the other no name paper, VHA, POA, the district CDD, The Daily Sun, Perhaps The Developer and maybe others that I left out thinking off the top of my head.

Well, by now you see the point. Who has any authority to solve this problem outlined in this Thread? That is the person or persons to approach for a solution. Otherwise, overtime it will likely solve itself but that may take lots of patience.

I have said this before. "The Villages is not perfect but it's way ahead of what ever retirement community is in second place." Enough said. Jim

JustJim: perhaps you missed my posts. However i have repeated at least six times on these pages for the past two years that I presented the rental policy issue to the District and was told they have NO LEGAL OR ADMINISTRATIVE power to do anything. Again I asked the rhetorical question well then who does and was met by silence.

Posters are jumping all over the board on this issue when the simply fact is that this no hold bars rental policy may have serious consequences to this community as it has for other Florida community..Cooler heads prevail and I invite others to do what I did and voice their concerns/questions to the District, VHOA POA
A win win solution can be achieved but picking on people who have witnessed concerns because of rental properties here is simply not productive. I opine others can decide.

Personal Best Regards:

wendyquat 07-28-2016 11:10 PM

I would not know where to look for it but it makes sense to me that there may be restrictions on number of occupants of a home. We have rented many vacation homes over the years and most do have a maximum occupancy which I think may be a code issue! Not sure where it originates but seems plausible.

rubicon 07-29-2016 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by wendyquat (Post 1262177)
I would not know where to look for it but it makes sense to me that there may be restrictions on number of occupants of a home. We have rented many vacation homes over the years and most do have a maximum occupancy which I think may be a code issue! Not sure where it originates but seems plausible.

wendquat: I pray you are correct....but then I ask who is overseeing /enforcing any rules if they do exist. With that there will be those who will spew out "my rights" and I do concur. However, with rights come responsibilities and if responsible people are not responsible then come consequences and consequences usually fall on innocent people. I do not want to rain on anyone's parade but I don't want to get wet either. One poster spoke of a person that owned multiple rental units that could be a real concern?

outlaw 07-29-2016 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Happydaz (Post 1261512)
Ridiculous! Do you want signed statements submitted? How about we get the Orlando TV stations involved. Maybe also the state and national newspapers. You want pictures?

There are three posters on this thread that have reported this situation. It is real. If you don't believe us that is your problem. The OP said call the Villages rec department and see if a Pinellas pool monitor asked a group of young men to leave. They probably won't disclose this info to you, but you could try. You want real proof? Get it yourself. I have never seen so many obnoxious, nervy people on one thread.

I like that idea. That might excite the powers that be to at least address the issue of "bunk houses". There is a person who I believe works for the Orlando Sentinel who periodically writes articles on TV. She might be a good start.

outlaw 07-29-2016 07:41 AM

Regarding the "bunk houses", I think there may be restrictions regarding the number of adults/families living in a single house. It may be a deed restriction or a county restriction.

Happydaz 07-29-2016 08:03 AM

I spoke with a Villages employee yesterday about this situation. This was the same employee who had asked a group of us about this situation a few weeks ago and asked us if we knew anything. He said that there were two rentals involved. So 8 or 7 men in each unit comes up to the number 15 that a previous poster mentioned, He also said the situation hasn't been resolved as far as he was concerned so maybe some action will be taken, but as already been stated by others, without rules owners are free to rent to whomever they please. Still could you imagine what would happen if two premier homes were rented out like this? Do you think some kind of action would be taken or proposed? Maybe we do need some new rules on rental units in The Villages.

manaboutown 07-29-2016 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1262296)
Regarding the "bunk houses", I think there may be restrictions regarding the number of adults/families living in a single house. It may be a deed restriction or a county restriction.

There must be some sort of countywide number of occupants restriction based on the number or rooms and/or square footage of a dwelling.

Municode Library!

Kahuna32162 07-29-2016 09:25 AM

Have anybody looked at Air BnB lately? Ther are over 300 rentals, both whole home and private rooms available for as little as $53 a nite. That's less than it costs at most no tell Motels up on 441 near Ocala. When the rules and bylaws for the villages were formulated, there wasn't anything like Air BnB. Maybe it's time for the powers that be to re think the possibility of amending some of those rules.

Cedwards38 07-29-2016 11:12 AM

I don't get it.
Isn't this a public discussion forum, open to anyone and everyone? If someone posts here, don't we all have a right to disagree with an opinion, or even question the truth and validity of the post? If your skin is too thin to deal with someone who disagrees, or calls into question the truth of the posted information, then a public internet forum is probably not for you.
Disagreement is not attack. It's a stage of discussion.

Happydaz 07-29-2016 01:31 PM

I get it. This is a public discussion open to anyone. If someone posts here, don't we have a right to disagree with them without questioning their honesty and veracity? If you constantly need to challenge people's honesty maybe a public internet forum like this is not for you. Disagreement is not a personal attack, but questioning a poster and calling them dishonest and untruthful is.

Cedwards38 07-30-2016 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Happydaz (Post 1262593)
I get it. This is a public discussion open to anyone. If someone posts here, don't we have a right to disagree with them without questioning their honesty and veracity? If you constantly need to challenge people's honesty maybe a public internet forum like this is not for you. Disagreement is not a personal attack, but questioning a poster and calling them dishonest and untruthful is.

Actually I do get it. My "I don't get it" statement was pure sarcasm.
You're right in that disagreement with opinion should not be a personal attack against the presenter of that opinion, but it seems in America today that is very difficult for some people to do. Too many feel they have to hate those who disagree with them. It's reflected most directly in our politics and religions. It's not a new phenomenon, and I suspect there is little we can do about it other than ignore those who insist on being that way.

graciegirl 07-30-2016 08:02 AM

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ColdNoMore 07-30-2016 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Happydaz (Post 1262593)
I get it. This is a public discussion open to anyone. If someone posts here, don't we have a right to disagree with them without questioning their honesty and veracity? If you constantly need to challenge people's honesty maybe a public internet forum like this is not for you.

Disagreement is not a personal attack, but questioning a poster and calling them dishonest and untruthful is.

:agree:

While an excellent post that some people should take to heart, you'll never stop those who have anointed themselves as thinking they are so much smarter/better than others.

I do appreciate your honest post, but methinks you will pay for it in the long run.

Not, that if you're like me...really cares though. :D

Happydaz 07-30-2016 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore2 (Post 1262989)
:agree:

While an excellent post that some people should take to heart, you'll never stop those who have anointed themselves as thinking they are so much smarter/better than others.

I do appreciate your honest post, but methinks you will pay for it in the long run.

Not, that if you're like me...really cares though. :D

I don't believe the most frequent, and loud talker should always dominate the room. We are all entitled to our own opinion. You are right that people will attack you personally if they start to lose an argument or debate, but that doesn't bother me as it usually means you have frustrated the other person and they are reduced to calling you names. I do feel, though, for less assertive persons who get intimidated and fearful when a deluge of invective comes their way after they post something.

Bogie Shooter 07-30-2016 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Happydaz (Post 1262306)
I spoke with a Villages employee yesterday about this situation. This was the same employee who had asked a group of us about this situation a few weeks ago and asked us if we knew anything. He said that there were two rentals involved. So 8 or 7 men in each unit comes up to the number 15 that a previous poster mentioned, He also said the situation hasn't been resolved as far as he was concerned so maybe some action will be taken, but as already been stated by others, without rules owners are free to rent to whomever they please. Still could you imagine what would happen if two premier homes were rented out like this? Do you think some kind of action would be taken or proposed? Maybe we do need some new rules on rental units in The Villages.

What does the model home have to do with it??

BTW what is the role of this "Villages employee"?

RickeyD 07-30-2016 08:37 AM

Buyer Beware - Buying a Villa in The Villages
 
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ColdNoMore 07-30-2016 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1263002)
What does the model home have to do with it??

I presume you meant, "the model of the home?"

I think their point was that, just like in most things in life, those with more money (re: influence)...typically get better results/more action from officials. :shrug:



Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1263002)
BTW what is the role of this "Villages employee"?

Why do you care?

Why can't you just take their word for it?

Happydaz 07-30-2016 09:32 AM

i won't name the employee or his position as I don't feel that I should do that, but he is a bona fide Villages' employee and has been aware of this situation from the beginning. Second point is an opinion, but as has already been said, wealthier people have access to better lawyers and have more money and resources available to them to look into this situation, rather than one regular guy living in the Villas. You may disagree with this and that is fine with me.

RickeyD 07-30-2016 11:13 AM

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rubicon 07-30-2016 12:37 PM

Here we go again. Why must some people on this forum make it about themselves and their opinion. The issue is that there are signs and symptoms that the rental policy may be having an adverse affect on this community. As one poster pointed out one person owns some 26 rental properties...that's a concern

Isn't it enough to write, call, visit whomever you believe can address this issue rathr than barking at one another? I did and the District said they did not have the Administrative or Legal authority.

Again my suggestion is to inundate those with leadership positions to address this issue to ensure it doesn't turn into a financial albatross; albeit I'll make book that members of the POA, VHA and District have had a peek at this thread. I intend to e-mail the POA . Other Florida communities have fashioned policy that has dealt with this issue.

Happydaz 07-30-2016 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1263154)
Here we go again. Why must some people on this forum make it about themselves and their opinion. The issue is that there are signs and symptoms that the rental policy may be having an adverse affect on this community. As one poster pointed out one person owns some 26 rental properties...that's a concern

Isn't it enough to write, call, visit whomever you believe can address this issue rathr than barking at one another? I did and the District said they did not have the Administrative or Legal authority.

Again my suggestion is to inundate those with leadership positions to address this issue to ensure it doesn't turn into a financial albatross; albeit I'll make book that members of the POA, VHA and District have had a peek at this thread. I intend to e-mail the POA . Other Florida communities have fashioned policy that has dealt with this issue.

Your recommendations look to be the most effective in correcting this situation. The Villages is aware that there two villas housing a total of 18 young men. As Rubicon mentions the key to any policy changes is to let key people know about this and then change may be possible. Rubicon thank you for your reasoned approach.

Bogie Shooter 07-30-2016 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore2 (Post 1263034)
I presume you meant, "the model of the home?"

Good presumption...............

I think their point was that, just like in most things in life, those with more money (re: influence)...typically get better results/more action from officials. :shrug:

Thanks for answering for them, maybe their point was different than yours. Maybe?



Why do you care? Just wondering, isn't that allowed?

Why can't you just take their word for it?

I thought this was a forum for exchanging thoughts, no?

kstew43 07-30-2016 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Happydaz (Post 1262593)
I get it. This is a public discussion open to anyone. If someone posts here, don't we have a right to disagree with them without questioning their honesty and veracity? If you constantly need to challenge people's honesty maybe a public internet forum like this is not for you. Disagreement is not a personal attack, but questioning a poster and calling them dishonest and untruthful is.

:agree:


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