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Chatbrat 12-31-2015 09:17 AM
We've all seen this happen-a souped up golf cart,pulling out from behind 3 golf carts & passing all 3 of them at once-there are a few guys on Bailey Trail, that do this on a regular basis-must be rushing to the Cane Garden for their happy hour seat @ the bar.

tomwed 12-31-2015 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by bagboy (Post 1164946)
This thread reminds me of my 4 year old grandson stomping off to his room because he didn't get his way. And being a child, he too could come up with several reasons and analogies to justify his position.
I see your point.
"I think it would be advantages and helpful if The Village's established an ID Tag for golf carts." was the OP's suggestion. It was never about safety.

PennBF 12-31-2015 09:40 AM
To Clarify
 
It was never meant to be for safety. It was more for "accountability". As you can see from some of the feed backs there are significant objections with being identified or held accountable and this further supports the advantage of having an ID. The same argument being made for not having an ID is the strong support as to why one is needed. :bowdown:

Fredster 12-31-2015 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1164964)
It was never meant to be for safety. It was more for "accountability". As you can see from some of the feed backs there are significant objections with being identified or held accountable and this further supports the advantage of having an ID. The same argument being made for not having an ID is the strong support as to why one is needed. :bowdown:
Apparently you don't get that a small ID number would not do any good in just about all of the cases, and you apparently don't see how it would lead to another layer of bureaucracy for many, because of a few irresponsible individuals.

ldj1938 12-31-2015 11:43 AM
Please delete this stupid thread!

ditka41 12-31-2015 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ldj1938 (Post 1165013)
Please delete this stupid thread!
"stupid" may possibly be too strong for the condition. Perhaps "bored" and not choosing to do anything worthwhile would work. This just fits in with other ridiculous common complaints about life here in "paradise". If the LEO's don't control violations now, why turn it over to a bunch of busybodies to report and whine about?

yabbadu 12-31-2015 12:51 PM
Wait until Big Brother hides the camera's in the trees!

TNLAKEPANDA 12-31-2015 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ldj1938 (Post 1165013)
Please delete this stupid thread!
I second that!

:agree:

Barefoot 12-31-2015 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Fredster (Post 1164982)
Apparently you don't get that a small ID number would not do any good in just about all of the cases, and you apparently don't see how it would lead to another layer of bureaucracy for many, because of a few irresponsible individuals.
:agree:
PennBF has not addressed the fact that accountability would be minimal if drivers were required to place a small number on a golf cart window. :confused:

Barefoot 12-31-2015 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ldj1938 (Post 1165013)
Please delete this stupid thread!
If this thread bothers you, why not stop reading it?

Chatbrat 12-31-2015 01:12 PM
Its stupid because his cart max's out @ 32mph

golfing eagles 12-31-2015 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1165041)
:agree: PennBF refuses to address the fact that accountability would be minimal if drivers were required to place a small number on a golf cart window. :confused:
Besides which, we're all ACCOUNTABLE for our actions----this thread seems to be more about getting CAUGHT violating rules. I see three choices:

1) Do nothing

2) Do something ineffective such as a small sticker, at moderate cost

3) Do something Draconian at high cost---ranging from full size license plates, to cameras every 5 feet, to GPS ID chips in carts, and while at it, why not drivers, to NSA satellite tracking of 60,000 carts.

You decide. But no matter which option the majority favors, in all likelihood nothing will be done anyway

Barefoot 12-31-2015 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1165046)
Besides which, we're all ACCOUNTABLE for our actions----this thread seems to be more about getting CAUGHT violating rules. I see three choices:

1) Do nothing

2) Do something ineffective such as a small sticker, at moderate cost

3) Do something Draconian at high cost---ranging from full size license plates, to cameras every 5 feet, to GPS ID chips in carts, and while at it, why not drivers, to NSA satellite tracking of 60,000 carts.

You decide. But no matter which option the majority favors, in all likelihood nothing will be done anyway
Very true. :ho:

ditka41 12-31-2015 01:49 PM
Option #3 would temporarily make all the "granny / nanny" types happy, but quickly destitute. Once we all have a chip implanted in our ear there will be no end to the things that can be tracked. Now I understand why "1984" was required reading in high school. -- Even mice living in severely overcrowded conditions will try to destroy each other and some folks must believe we've nearly reached that point. Guess "stupid" really was the correct word.

tomwed 12-31-2015 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1165046)
Besides which, we're all ACCOUNTABLE for our actions----this thread seems to be more about getting CAUGHT violating rules. I see three choices:

1) Do nothing

2) Do something ineffective such as a small sticker, at moderate cost

3) Do something Draconian at high cost---ranging from full size license plates, to cameras every 5 feet, to GPS ID chips in carts, and while at it, why not drivers, to NSA satellite tracking of 60,000 carts.

You decide. But no matter which option the majority favors, in all likelihood nothing will be done anyway
I agree.

golfing eagles 12-31-2015 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ditka41 (Post 1165062)
Option #3 would temporarily make all the "granny / nanny" types happy, but quickly destitute. Once we all have a chip implanted in our ear there will be no end to the things that can be tracked. Now I understand why "1984" was required reading in high school. -- Even mice living in severely overcrowded conditions will try to destroy each other and some folks must believe we've nearly reached that point. Guess "stupid" really was the correct word.
1984 was required reading when WE were in high school. I'm afraid the new reading list includes "Rules for Radicals" and "Dreams from my Father"

tomwed 12-31-2015 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ditka41 (Post 1165062)
Option #3 would temporarily make all the "granny / nanny" types happy, but quickly destitute. Once we all have a chip implanted in our ear there will be no end to the things that can be tracked. Now I understand why "1984" was required reading in high school. -- Even mice living in severely overcrowded conditions will try to destroy each other and some folks must believe we've nearly reached that point. Guess "stupid" really was the correct word.
That's kind of funny isn't it? When we read 1984 it was the distant future? Now it's when Ronald Reagan was president.
What did we learn from Lord of the Flies?

golfing eagles 12-31-2015 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by tomwed (Post 1165068)
That's kind of funny isn't it? When we read 1984 it was the distant future? Now it's when Ronald Reagan was president.
What did we learn from Lord of the Flies?
That William Golding was not a very good writer?????

tomwed 12-31-2015 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1165074)
That William Golding was not a very good writer?????
ahahahahahahahahahaha

Moderator 12-31-2015 03:01 PM
Back to the original topic.... requiring identification on golf carts for accountability.

graciegirl 12-31-2015 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1165046)
Besides which, we're all ACCOUNTABLE for our actions----this thread seems to be more about getting CAUGHT violating rules. I see three choices:

1) Do nothing

2) Do something ineffective such as a small sticker, at moderate cost

3) Do something Draconian at high cost---ranging from full size license plates, to cameras every 5 feet, to GPS ID chips in carts, and while at it, why not drivers, to NSA satellite tracking of 60,000 carts.

You decide. But no matter which option the majority favors, in all likelihood nothing will be done anyway




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AJGeorge 12-31-2015 07:43 PM
Golf Cart IDs
 
The simplest solution would be to put the Unit and Lot number of the cart owners residence. No need for any new agency or cost, other than having two decals made one for front and on for the back.

CFrance 12-31-2015 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ldj1938 (Post 1165013)
Please delete this stupid thread!
This is a forum. There aren't any stupid threads; there are only stupid posts.

Mleeja 12-31-2015 08:08 PM
This thread has taken on a life of its own. I can't believe there has been 103, now 104, post for something that is NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!

Polar Bear 12-31-2015 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Mleeja (Post 1165164)
...something that is NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!
Any thread has value for discussion, but I must agree with this point.

PennBF 01-01-2016 10:05 AM
Wishing
 
There is no thing as "never". One post recommended placing the Owner ID No. on the front and back of the cart. And a small "stick'em" would be a good way. I would agree it is going to be difficult to sell the idea of ID's as there are more loud ones who want to avoid consequences for bad behavior than ones who are willing to speak out and be held responsible for their behavior. I don't think it is necessary to point out some of the ones who don't want themselves to be identified as it is pretty self evident. Just watch the closing of the Squares in the evening or the porches on the restaurants and you get a real good idea of who do not want ID's. This is not rocket science.:bowdown:

Barefoot 01-01-2016 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1165285)
One post recommended placing the Owner ID No. on the front and back of the cart. And a small "stick'em" would be a good way. I would agree it is going to be difficult to sell the idea of ID's as there are more loud ones who want to avoid consequences for bad behavior than ones who are willing to speak out and be held responsible for their behavior. I don't think it is necessary to point out some of the ones who don't want themselves to be identified as it is pretty self evident. Just watch the closing of the Squares in the evening or the porches on the restaurants and you get a real good idea of who do not want ID's. This is not rocket science.
Because a poster thinks that a small stick'em would be of no value in identifying miscreants, that doesn't mean the poster is a "loud one who wants to avoid consequences for bad behavior". :ohdear:

PennBF 01-01-2016 12:19 PM
It does
 
Unfortunately it usually does mean the loud one wants to avoid consequences. :shrug:

golfing eagles 01-01-2016 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1165346)
Unfortunately it usually does mean the loud one wants to avoid consequences. :shrug:
You sound like a reasonably intelligent person, why are you having trouble getting the point? All we are saying is that a small sticker will achieve nothing. Period. So the real debate should be in regards to a cart ID large enough to be visible after some violation. That will boil down to the cost vs the benefit. Period. I don't see any reason to attribute motivation to any of the posters beyond that.

Barefoot 01-01-2016 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1165295)
Because a poster thinks that a small stick'em would be of no value in identifying miscreants, that doesn't mean the poster is a "loud one who wants to avoid consequences for bad behavior". :ohdear:
Quote:
Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1165346)
Unfortunately it usually does mean the loud one wants to avoid consequences. :shrug:
We have a different outlook on life.
I don't think that people who disagree with your opinion are necessarily "loud ones".
It can simply mean that posters feel that a small stick'em would be of little use in identifying speeders, underage drivers or other miscreants.

DonH57 01-01-2016 01:03 PM
Almost any time I've been passed by another cart doing whatever wrong, by the time I realize it in passing them I've forgotten a few details about the cart and they are long gone. You would have to have a really good size plate, sign, or sticker to do any good. A dash cam would only be of half decent way to catch miscreants and I already have enough stuff to buy.

Jayhawk 01-01-2016 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1164699)
My Goodness. How people can complicate things. Lets make it simple and no different than what you have today. First: Everyone carries a village ID Card and Second: Each ID card has a number which is assigned when you become a resident. Third: I have not heard of anyone complaining this is a terrible buracratic invasion and destroyed their card with their ID. Fourth: When you go into a Rec center it is a general rule to ask to see your ID and I have not heard of anyone saying no and walking out. Fifth: Same applies to pools, etc. Now let get a little sane. You already have an ID and you show it where ever you go and I don't recall hearing anyone screaming no when asked. It would be a very cheap (probably in the pennies) thing to have that ID number which you are use to placed on a little stickem that could be applied to each windshield of a golf cart.
Hopefully this demonstrates it is already a common practice in The Villages and pretty useful. No licence plates, no setting up a big new set of files, no need for new control people, etc etc. Just give out a little "stick em" with a number you already have. I can't wait to hear how this is so terrible and an invasion when they already have it and follow the rules!:bowdown:

Sounds like carrying your Villages ID would solve the problem you have. Yes, we all have one. Yes, we show it at the rec centers and the pools. But I don't need a sticker on my billiards cue or my swimming speedo :pepper2:in order to access the amenities:) My ID card is all I need.

Kannon451 01-01-2016 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1164699)
My Goodness. How people can complicate things. Lets make it simple and no different than what you have today. First: Everyone carries a village ID Card and Second: Each ID card has a number which is assigned when you become a resident. Third: I have not heard of anyone complaining this is a terrible buracratic invasion and destroyed their card with their ID. Fourth: When you go into a Rec center it is a general rule to ask to see your ID and I have not heard of anyone saying no and walking out. Fifth: Same applies to pools, etc. Now let get a little sane. You already have an ID and you show it where ever you go and I don't recall hearing anyone screaming no when asked. It would be a very cheap (probably in the pennies) thing to have that ID number which you are use to placed on a little stickem that could be applied to each windshield of a golf cart.
Hopefully this demonstrates it is already a common practice in The Villages and pretty useful. No licence plates, no setting up a big new set of files, no need for new control people, etc etc. Just give out a little "stick em" with a number you already have. I can't wait to hear how this is so terrible and an invasion when they already have it and follow the rules!:bowdown:
Just curious, assuming this was implemented. One day you observe a golf cart driver doing something warrenting you calling the police and then turn in. Would you provide the police with your name and address and be ok with the police providing that person with your name and address as evidence of their deed, or would you prefer to be anonymous?

Polar Bear 01-01-2016 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1164699)
...When you go into a Rec center...Same applies to pools, etc...

I can't wait to hear how this is so terrible and an invasion when they already have it and follow the rules!...
Okay...name another private, personal possession (like a golf cart) where you have to show your ID to use it. Certainly not the rec centers or pools or any other shared Villages facility where the ID's are shown.

tomwed 01-01-2016 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Kannon451 (Post 1165478)
Just curious, assuming this was implemented. One day you observe a golf cart driver doing something warrenting you calling the police and then turn in. Would you provide the police with your name and address and be ok with the police providing that person with your name and address as evidence of their deed, or would you prefer to be anonymous?
I think I see what you mean.

Sandtrap328 01-01-2016 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Kannon451 (Post 1165478)
Just curious, assuming this was implemented. One day you observe a golf cart driver doing something warrenting you calling the police and then turn in. Would you provide the police with your name and address and be ok with the police providing that person with your name and address as evidence of their deed, or would you prefer to be anonymous?
I would logically assume that the informant would have to give their name to the police. Aren't citizens guaranteed the right to know their accuser?

Just being able to make accusations to the police and remain anonymous might lead to lots of false accusations just because someone had a grudge against another - (not that grudges ever happen in The Villages).

dbussone 01-01-2016 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 1165498)
I would logically assume that the informant would have to give their name to the police. Aren't citizens guaranteed the right to know their accuser?



Just being able to make accusations to the police and remain anonymous might lead to lots of false accusations just because someone had a grudge against another - (not that grudges ever happen in The Villages).

The police already have a special process where one can anonymously report a crime or related information. It's called Crime Watchers. No ID information requested, none need be given.

tomwed 01-01-2016 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by dbussone (Post 1165510)
The police already have a special process where one can anonymously report a crime or related information. It's called Crime Watchers. No ID information requested, none need be given.
I googled this and couldn't find anything.
"Crime Watchers" florida police department sumter county"
Do you have link?

dbussone 01-01-2016 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by tomwed (Post 1165516)
I googled this and couldn't find anything.

"Crime Watchers" florida police department sumter county"

Do you have link?

It is Crime Stoppers (not Watchers) Tom. Sorry for the confusion.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_Stoppers

tomwed 01-01-2016 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by dbussone (Post 1165518)
It is Crime Stoppers (not Watchers) Tom. Sorry for the confusion.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_Stoppers
That's a great program but I get the sense it's mainly in place for serious crimes.


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