Street legals are NOT legal on roads with a high speed limit like 441/27. I don't think that will solve it. Am I right or wrong on this?

Would the mean spirited people stop posting PLEASE. You're working just like our government now - divide and conquer. This could affect each and everyone of us in the future and if it was you I'm sure you would want the support of other Villagers not affected. So for heavens sake - stop fighting amongst each other and come together on this.

I believe, as several have posted, the most attention will be brought to the situation by picketing. The last thing TV wants is bad publicity and that is probably the only way to get their attention. It may not resolve the problem, but would hopefully get some answers.

You can cross Rt 441 , but not drive on it in a street legal cart...no help at all.
We have lived here 25 yrs. We have served on the VHA Board, the CIC and volunteered many, many times. We are indirectly responsible for 13 people moving to the Villages. I find the way that this was done, and the treatment since, insulting and offensive.
If nothing else, we deserve an explanation.

I believe this to be true and the sole reason for the wall.

Winston, not sure what documents you were looking at but you need to use the Lake and Sumter on-line property appraiser GIS system.

The "Concrete Curtain" is along the border between the two counties. I just can't tell which one and whether it's on Morse's plot or the medical center's plot.

I really don't know - could there be other access area which may soon see a wall? It might not affect me directly, but may affect others. What about some other item we have grown to love - could it go without notice as well?

This wall affects the residents of that area for what seems to be no good reason. With all the fall out that this has caused you would think he would reconsider or comment.

He is still trying to sell houses and the negative publicity regarding this is not a good business decision in my mind. With the IRS situation out there and now this strange decision to put up a wall, it might make a potential buyer stop and think. I know we were skiddish about the IRS, but decided to take the risk and buy anyway because the lifestyle and beauty of this place outweighed the potential outcome.

The Villages is a GREAT place to live and I thank him for the ability to buy into such a great community. I just hope it stays as great as it is and does not change as time goes by.

I would suggest a group of Demonstrators show up Friday, August 16th 3pm to 5pm in the area of Gilchrist Rec Center on Pinellas PL &Dafoe Ter to be viewed by the guest of the new Designer Model Home Center. I will be in attendance at the center to view the reaction.

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Have you been or are you an employee of the Developer. It certainly appears so. How can you blindly support someone who will not answer the residents in a prompt manner. If there is a just reason, let the Developer come forth with the explanation. Those folks who were using the path deserve those answers, not providing answers is in my opinion telling those concerned residents to "go to hell"..

a lot of the people on here are the same people who chastised anyone shopping at walmart because of the 'buy in America' phase. I guess now its ok if you can get there.

What did Neighborhood Watch see?

Would people on the trolley find demonstrators interesting, ones located at the exits to the parking lots at the back of the sales offices?

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That statement makes me angry personally. The same has been said about me ...even going so far as to hear from a complete stranger when she met me for the first time that she heard from a woman golfer who posts on here that GARY MORSE bought and paid for my house.

Rubicon is a fair person and he says what he honestly feels. He doesn't work for the developer, I would bet my best hat on that. You have read him over the years, just as we have read posts from frequent posters.

Saying stuff like that isn't solving the problem.

The Morses have closed the wall. We can't vote. We knew this was a CDD when we bought. Apparently the Morses ARE throwing their weight around and that is NOT RIGHT. I have been a huge supporter of the developers but on this issue I don't agree at all.

But let's not start a war here. Let's deal with the facts how they stand.

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The previous poster referred to CROSSING 441/27 not DRIVING on 441/27. There is a difference! :)

Dismay
 

I have monitored the villages since I was in college. It is where I have always planned on retiring and am less than 1 year away. I tried to convince my mother 20 years ago to move their. Finally at 82 she did and the past 3 years have been the best of her life. Mr Schwartz would have never done this to his friends, He adopted Mr Morse and probably hoped he would continue to treat them as friends and not $ signs. I believe he is embarrassing his father who is probably rolling over in his grave.

I am rather surprised the Developer did not give notice of his intent to close the path. I do not know the legality of what he has done but I would have expected a small consideration for those who have made TV the place it is today. At minimum, he should have let people know...and not done it in the wink of an eye. I mean they certainly have enough information circulating about all the things they are building...

That said, people can scream and write graffitti and act like complete fools. OR they can get serious about this. TV Mayor has suggested some interesting tactics i.e. demonstrating outside sales offices, model centers, etc. What the Developer wants more than anything is to maintain the TV image of "Another Dream Comes True". Masses of humans with picket signs, a TV station and a newspaper doing a story on trouble in paradise, and the overall bad publicity might be enough to get him to explain himself and enter into some sort of productive conversation. But you have to be smart and get media onboard and you have to get an adequate turnout at whatever places you choose to take a stand.

Of course it would be nice to have a conversation with someone at the top to discuss why this has happened and what can be done about it to ensure those living on the Historic side are not deprived of their way of life.

I didn't understand that. Good. That would be a way, but then there is the financial issue of car insurance on a street legal.

While those of us int historic district certainly appreciate the support of those on the other our fellow Villagers on the other side of 27/441, everyone should be reminded that this also effect many people on that side as well. People from Del Mar, Spanish Springs, Chula Vista, Santiago and almost all of the villages north of 466 use this gate as well. Plenty of people from that side have used that gate to visit the medical facility, shop at Lowe's, Aldi or anyone of the 30 or so retail businesses on in that area by golf cart. They can no longer do so.

I'm sure that not many people come all the way from LSL or Malory or those villages south of 466 but many from the villages north of 466 do.

It's not just the historic district that being affected.

Hi Gracie
 

Not on the road, just crossing roads with speed limits of 45 mph or less

this is bad info. a street legal can drive on roads posted 45 or less. they can cross highways like 441 not drive on them. some roads posted 45 are not legal, like rolling acres.

Concrete Curtain, I love it! The spirit of Churchill must be smiling!
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CAUTION... It is illegal to use the grassy area along 27/441.

Link to story: Deputies warning golf carts on renegade route bypassing ' Berlin Wall'

cannot cross 441/27 unless and until permission to do so is first granted by the appropriate county and crossing point is deemed legal by fdot.

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Street legal can drive on roads posted 35 or less.. not 45 or less.

Very sympathetic as we used the path but I'm not sure picketing and bringing bad publicity to TV would be wise for our property values!

If only proper notice had been given, I think we all would find it an easier pill to swallow! I, for one, have no patience with covertness and deceptive practices!

The posted speed on Rolling Acres is 35, but you are correct that LSVs are not permitted.

oops...I meant 35

Suggestion for the Wall that won't go away
 

Why not offer a shuttle service for villagers without transportation to
Walmart, Aldi, Lowe's or Medical Center with periodic stops if the Morse's would like this dispute to go away....Just a suggestion, do not beat up on me, please!

wendy - if not picketing, wendy, what do you suggest?

the villages will not even offer trolley service from rec centers to town squares...i can't imagine them providing a shuttle service for residents to spend $$ outside of the bubble.

however, i do think it is an enterprising oppty for someone seeking to start a private venture in the area.

I imagine that the time period for deputies giving warnings will end fairly soon and then they will start ticketing golf carts with big buck penalties. The squawking will really be loud after a few $165 or so tickets are given to violators.

Harold Schwartz was Gary Morse's biological father. After Gary's mother remarried he changed his name to his stepfather's name, Morse.

I believe he owns all the championship courses so look for greens fees to skyrocket. Also look for the cost of priority membership to jump to what many were paying up north just to play one course. And then again he may just convert ALL the CC to private membership. Want'a play and your are gonna pay one way or the other and it will be a lot more.

As the leases run out at the CC restaurants look for changes just like OB.

I don't have a dog in this fight as I don't own property in TV but it sure is giving me second thoughts about buying that's for sure.

VG

For those who live in Sumter County. Call the Sumter Bus service, they will pick you up take you shopping. After shopping they will take you home. For Lake County, I'm not sure if you have such a service. You may want to look into it.

[quote=scres;724974]A previous post referred to the dirt path and I notice a dirt path used by carts that accesses Lowes from the south across a field.

Many keep saying Ed knows more than anybody about the Villages and he caught this..........not a villager.
Good one Ed!:eclipsee_gold_cup:

A street legal in Florida cannot drive on a street if the speed limit is higher than 35 mph. It is actually extremely dangerous for a street legal which cannot exceed 25 mph to be on a road with cars legally travelling 10 mph faster and often illegally going 20 mph faster.

Hi Red Tail
 

Here is the Florida Statute for Lake Co. So I think I was right!

316.2122 Operation of a low-speed vehicle or mini truck on certain roadways.—The operation of a low-speed vehicle as defined in s. 320.01(42) or a mini truck as defined in s. 320.01(45) on any road is authorized with the following restrictions:
(1) A low-speed vehicle or mini truck may be operated only on streets where the posted speed limit is 35 miles per hour or less. This does not prohibit a low-speed vehicle or mini truck from crossing a road or street at an intersection where the road or street has a posted speed limit of more than 35 miles per hour.
(2) A low-speed vehicle must be equipped with headlamps, stop lamps, turn signal lamps, taillamps, reflex reflectors, parking brakes, rearview mirrors, windshields, seat belts, and vehicle identification numbers.
(3) A low-speed vehicle or mini truck must be registered and insured in accordance with s. 320.02 and titled pursuant to chapter 319.
(4) Any person operating a low-speed vehicle or mini truck must have in his or her possession a valid driver’s license.
(5) A county or municipality may prohibit the operation of low-speed vehicles or mini trucks on any road under its jurisdiction if the governing body of the county or municipality determines that such prohibition is necessary in the interest of safety.
(6) The Department of Transportation may prohibit the operation of low-speed vehicles or mini trucks on any road under its jurisdiction if it determines that such prohibition is necessary in the interest of safety.
History.—s. 1, ch. 99-163; s. 5, ch. 2009-183; s. 85, ch. 2012-174.

See post #551!

How many people sold their homes using the "golf cart path access to WalMart, Lowes, etc" and now have to eat their words! Real estate is really a cut throat business with the best of circumstances! Stir it up with a little controversy and you may lose your "selling perks"!

I have no suggestion of how to handle it. Even I know that you can't legally use the highway right of way to go around!

So why do you think all these price increases will happen??
This just more hyperbole.

I still say that when all is said and done, we are going to find that there was no malicious intent on the part of the developer. The culprit will be a lawyer somewhere, somehow being either litigious or liability-shy.

And you expect them to go down after this stunt? By closing the path the developer is forcing residents to use the Walmart on 466 which is located on his property and he gets a piece of the action for every dollar spent. He was getting nothing from those using the Walmart on 441.

Harold Schwartz would be rolling over in his grave over this stunt.

VG