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The wall prevents carts from traveling from TV onto TV property where The Villages Regional Hospital has their east campus and beyond. Have you ever taken the path from TV to TV Woodworking Shop on Rolling Acres?

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Originally Posted by Russ_Boston (Post 725594)

I guess I'm missing something - please help me understand.

Nowhere else in TV does the developer 'invite' you to take a cart onto private property. There are signs everywhere that say "no carts past this point" or we have those brown fences which signal 'out of bounds' if you will. The fact that people did (not the developer) basically create a path for these many years that lead to 'off campus' facilities does not in any way mean it was meant to be that way forever.

Yes I can greatly sympathize with those that built their agenda around this access but there are many other examples around TV to look at:

When Sumter Place was built with 3 stories instead of 2 people bitched. Although Sumter Place is not owned by TV.

When lands that were once vacant or had buffalo on them were developed and neighbors lost their privacy in their backyards they bitched.

People along 466a that back up to the now occupied by cows farmland are bitching at the possible sale of that land that may lead to further homes in their current quiet back yards.

The point is you can only control what is known. If you buy a home next to current vacant land you may not have it that way forever. If you take a cart path on locations that they are not supposed to be on but do it anyway don't expect that condition to last forever.

I think it would be different if there was something in writing that granted easement to these properties but this is just something that developed over time and times change.

Go ahead and call me the bad guy if you wish. I have empathy for you and feel where you are coming from but...

Good points, Russ!

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Originally Posted by Peachie (Post 725517)

Thinking about the long term effects of a decision to allow a paved path from outling communities into The Villages with their golf carts forever... might not hurt either. Maybe the developer is trying to save many of us from ourselves.

There is hard work at hand to open that "hole in the wall". If it is reopened, the big winners are Stonecrest, Spruce Creek and the developed areas beyond. It's not that difficult to have the county open up the back streets to allow access to "The Path". The home values in those subdivisions would profit nicely while The Villages would definitely lose value.

Remember the premium you paid when you bought in The Villages for the Lifestyle? Now many bordering communities have access to the same things we have and don't have to pay the piper. They also are private and much quieter with bigger lots for a lot less money.

If that gate is reopened and the path is paved into The Villages, I would advise anyone considering buying in The Villages to look at these surrounding communities. They would have a gated, private neighborhood with pools, golf and activity centers to enjoy and there is no longer anything special about The Villages. Anyone can use their cart paths.

There is a lot more to think about here, the long term ramifications are HUGE. You can't unring a bell.

peachie - you post as if you believe there is an ever constant flow of stonecrest/spruce creek residents pouring into the villages daiyl...how many outside residents do you think really use that trail to access the villages and ride around on the cart paths?

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Originally Posted by bkcunningham1 (Post 725421)

Your example would work and make sense if someone got fired without any explanation. How would you feel if you went into the hospital and they said you didn't have a job and everyone who you spoke with said they didn't know anything about it? How would you feel if they refused to give you any explanation? I imagine you'd want, at the very least, an explanation. It just adds insult to injury to not be given the time of day and treated as something insignificant.

I can name at least ten people who worked for the Developer and were terminated without explanation. I personally knew four or five that went the their former supervisors with the question why. The answer they were given was that they did not have to give a reason why!!! I also personally know that some of those who I can name, got their firing notification in a unique way. Their peronal items were piled out on the sidewalk when they arrived for work.

Once again let's remember it was the developer who provided the path, it was not made by the residents, He did the same thing between Tarrson Ave and near the post office.

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Originally Posted by njbchbum (Post 725604)

If only 2 or 3 carts a day are coming over, njbchbum, why is the Stonecrest group even involved in the discussion? (If we moved to Stonecrest and that path is polished off and opened again, you can bet we'll be using it often.)

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Originally Posted by Russ_Boston (Post 725594)

A point that you might be missing is that the businesses, the medical center, Lowes, the banks, Beals, Firehouse Subs, Aldi, Wal-Mart and the other 30 or so businesses over there are cart friendly. They allow carts in their parking lots. They have special parking for carts. The new assisted living facility advertised that it is cart friendly. Mr Robert Brown who owns all of that vacant land created a path and wanted us to use it. All of these places welcome carts. The residents of Stonecrest are also going off campus when they visit these businesses. The developer did not "invite" over there. We were invited a long time ago by the businesses.
All the developer, Harold Schwartz at the time,created a path for us to go through.
Up until this Saturday, we would go through the gate and be on the medical center's property, from there we would cross the assisted living facility, then onto a short dirt path alongside a cement water retention pond. After that, we crossed a public street and proceeded into Lowe's parking lot which is also Beal's parking lot and has several small business as well. From there, we could go on to another medical center and then into Aldi's parking lot. A short dirt path from Aldi's leads to the Wal-Mart parking lot.
All of these areas are cart friendly. They want out carts there. They make it easy for us to bring them there. It was never a question of the developer inviting the residents anywhere. All he did was not get in our way.

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Originally Posted by Russ_Boston (Post 725518)

Most likely some new lawsuit or more likely a money grab (someone wants payment for the carts that cross their property) and we won't pay.

What would your answer be? I'll bet anything that my answer ends up the correct one. It's not just because Morse wants to that's for sure. Something precipitated the action.

of course something put a burr under the developer's saddle - but i don't see it as a demand for $$ for use of the path. mr. brown, at least, has never indicated that the path would become another florida toll road.

i am going with the proposal that the developer is distraught that the landowner percieves 'golf cart access to the villages' for the land parcels he has for sale; and that the landowner anticipates higher property sales because of that; and that that is what has upset mr. morse - that just anyone would have golf cart access to his golf cart community!

so much for friendly hometown!

:gc::gc::gc:
Great post....Thanks!

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Originally Posted by Steve9930 (Post 725559)

LSV (Street Legal) can cross at the light next to the two banks coming out of the Lowes parking lot. You can cross there at the Hospital and Doctors offices. You basically can cross anywhere there on 441/27. Golf carts are not considered LSVs. They cannot cross legally.

gotcha! thanx!

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Originally Posted by Virtual Geezer (Post 725273)

And you expect them to go down after this stunt? By closing the path the developer is forcing residents to use the Walmart on 466 which is located on his property and he gets a piece of the action for every dollar spent. He was getting nothing from those using the Walmart on 441.

Harold Schwartz would be rolling over in his grave over this stunt.

VG

I don't think that the developer gets a piece of every dollar spent. If it's like most real estate transactions, the developer simply rents the land to Wal-Mart.

Residents that have cars will continue to shop at the Wal-Mart on 27/441. Some, and I think very few, that do not have cars will not shop at Wal-Mart at all or they will get their friends to take them to the one on 27/441.

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Originally Posted by Peachie (Post 725598)

Jeff, how about a grown-up rephrasing of your statement... This is my real estate and you can devalue it by rewriting the covenants we all agreed to when we paid extra for this lifestyle. As I said in an earlier statement on here... different people we have talked with over the years from the Historic section hoped that the path would never be closed off. It was a gamble that the covenants of an enclosed community wouldn't be enforced.

Funny thing is I brought up a discussion with my husband this past spring about considering Stonecrest. It has much lower traffic, lower home prices, private and gated, golf course availability and if access to The Villages is streamlined, the conversation will sure be worth revisiting.

where is in the covenants that the villages is an enclosed community? what IS an enclosed community? i looked at my covenants and do not see that phrase in the paperwork.

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Originally Posted by Peachie (Post 725610)

sounds like a great idea!

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Originally Posted by njbchbum (Post 725615)

gotcha! thanx!

Here's the deal as I see it on purchasing an LSV. By the time you pay the purchase price, taxes, registration, and insurance you will pay as much for the LSV as some of the small inexpensive autos. You will have a vehicle that is restricted to roads with a posted speed limit of 35 MPH or less and a limited range. With the auto you may pay a tad more for operating expenses but will have no limitations on where you may operate the vehicle. You also will have a safer vehicle to drive. Those that use an LSV(Low Speed Vehicle) are at a sever disadvantage in the event of an accident with a large automobile. You can fool your mind into thinking your driving a safe vehicle but you cannot change the physics. I know a bit off the subject but just a small detour.