Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 728543)

If, as some people in this thread have stated, there are only about 15-20 non resident golf carts, per day, coming through that gate, assuming that they are not all going to Spanish Springs Town Square, and assuming that they are not all coming at the same time, I can't see it being much of a problem.

Also 15-20 golf carts per day, which I'm going to estimate as 20-30 people per day, all going to different businesses is not going to have a substantial impact on any of those businesses.

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 728198)

I have been reading this forum for six years and the same people over and over and over have the same level of bitterness against the developer.

When a mistake like this happens, they nearly jump for joy to pile on.

To me it is ugly. It takes down the whole community, does no good, and just throws dirt back into the faces of those who are ALWAYS negative.

If I felt the way that some did, about the way things are run, I would put my home up for sale, sell it in a couple of weeks, pocket the money and be on my way.

Originally Posted by Peachie (Post 728471)

Yes. Stonecresters admit themselves how they will clog our parking lots with cars. Now that is far from 2 carts crossing daily. Read through the posts and add to that number of carts those that will come from Spruce Creek and further developments in this area.

I think the bottom line is many people in The Villages are amazed at Stonecresters insisting they have a right to the cart paths built and maintained by The Villages that are next to public roads. Stonecrest was NEVER meant to have that private cart access to The Villages, that was meant for the residents of the historic section ONLY.

Everyone needs to remember, there was indeed a gate near that location at a previous time to prevent the Stonecrest population entry and it was abused and destroyed by trespassers to the private paths. Stonecrest's access to The Villages was meant to be through the public roads, period. If you didn't buy your property in The Villages, get in your car or street legal cart and drive over to the town square. We do just that to get to the shopping plaza on Rolling Acres Road across from The Villages and yes, it does take extra gas but that's just the way it is. Why is The Villages being bullied by a neighboring community insisting we will provide them access to our cart paths. Stunning! And please don't tell me non-Villagers can use any of the multimodal/golf cart paths on private property in The Villagers. IF YOU WANT TO PLAY WITH US, PAY WITH US.

There is a pervasive perception growing in the United States, in my humble opinion, that there are no boundaries or limits or ownership to anything in this country. Even though many don't want to expend the money, effort or time to attain what is coveted from their fellow human beings, they insist on all the rights and same privileges as their fellow citizens. This path situation is a prime example.

And to the people in the historic section, should one of the property owner block access to land which that path crosses to give you cart accessibility to the shopping complexes on 27/441 after the gate is installed, SO BE IT! It is private property, get over the entitlement mentality which many of you harbor even though you knew this could happen when you designed your life around the illegal path.

Though one may have difficulties, many people living in The Villages have far greater problems than you have and they don't expect freebies from something they never purchased to make their lives simpler. Adapt, adjust to any changes and think bootstraps, pull yourself up by them.

I truly wonder why anyone aspires to anything in this country anymore since great success leads to slanderous name calling, intense jealousy, lawsuits, and any other annoyance the fellow American's can produce. Success has become evil in the eyes of many and it's very disturbing.

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 728584)

Here is an article about that problem from an outside source, The Orlando Sentinel.


I can't imagine the developer not fixing things like mold in the ceiling.


Villages developer to pay $40 million for recreation upgrades to settle a lawsuit - Orlando Sentinel

Originally Posted by TVMayor (Post 728615)

I would question “some people in this thread” and ask how do you differentiate between a resident and a non resident golf cart to achieve a total of non resident golf carts and I would ask while compiling the total of non resident golf carts did you notice “The Wall” being constructed.

Originally Posted by njbchbum (Post 727828)

and perhaps not, rubicon.

i learned long ago not to judge people or their actions - for they all have a reason important to them for what they do and think. mine is not to reason why - but to try to understand if i choose to and simply insure that i am not injured by their actions/thoughts.

declaring that people did not think with their brains is a most demeaning statement in my book of judgements. i am sorry to see you post such a statement.

i do believe that the actions of villagers and non-villagers was sufficient, for all who watched and listened, to let them know that we are not a group who will lie back and take it and wait for something to happen - but that villagers can be motivated when they deem it necessary to take action.

and, to me, that attitude is not one that makes them a laughng stock..nor is it an attitude by which we should be embarrassed.

Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 728597)

Preowned homes can be sold by VLS, the Villages Listing Service, or by MLS, Multiple Listing Service. As suggested in Winston's post above, competing agents from VLS and MLS do NOT have the right to show and sell each other's listings, and split the commission. This is a unique situation unlike most other cities. Back in the day, all houses were listed and sold via MLS, but problems developed, and the unique VLS system was developed.

This fact is the reason why most purchasers of resale homes choose to work with two agents, one from VLS and one from MLA.

Originally Posted by Justjac (Post 727974)

I'm confused, Rubicon. On TOTV, you blast those who protested the wall... Yet, on *************.com you post the following:

By Rubicon:
"Great move? Cause a major confrontation? Create confusion and hardships galore for the people on the historic side? Just so he could get someone else to build a gate?
Get real, he wanted to hurt the businesses in that area, even made promises to do such in board rooms when thwarted on his new Brownwood hospital. Now the people of this area went to bat for all villagers in stopping the decline of service in the older areas of the villages. He does not care about the non sales side of his village. To him it just costs, as for outsiders using our amenities, yes they do now, especially since the watch stopped scanning at the pools. I haven’t brought my card to the pool in 3 years.
If he’d gotten away with this how long before the cart trail in Vail Verde to the driving range was closed? How long before those golf courses were closed or maintenance reduced? This is the path that developer you worship has been on in the historic side for the past few years.
Well done to the villagers that stood up and flashed Comrade Morse the bird on this one. Keep in mind the wall is still there and as much progress as seems to have been made he can still walk away from the table if the protests stop and he’s not hurt further.'

Originally Posted by Arctic Fox (Post 728639)

Can anyone enlighten me as to how many residents there are at each of Stone Crest and Spruce Creek?

Thanks

Originally Posted by Regor (Post 728647)

All this bickering over 'outsiders' using our cart paths is just plain childish! What if every state said you can't drive your car on their roads because you live in another state? Do you think Disney World could survive? Could The Villages survive without outsiders? We already use Sumter County money to help pay for entertainment on 2 of the squares. I case you haven't noticed, Spanish Springs area seems to be dying from lack of people going there.