Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer (Post 728624)

Your post is filled with so many statement errors that it is difficult for a response. First, where in the world did you get the information that the Stone Crest residents would clog our parking lots ??? I have read dozens of postings from the historic side that state ther is no huge influx of golf carts from up north. And as to the orginal gate, it was not vandalized, it was ordered removed by the town of Lady Lake. Other than the "major" thoroughfares (Buena Vista for instance) anyone can travel almost anywhere in the Villages community using county highways and streets. These County facilities are not for the use of only Villages residents. Adding to the fact that that if a "Northern Visitor" has a street legal cart they legally can go anywhere in our community. . Well enough said.

Originally Posted by Regor (Post 728647)

All this bickering over 'outsiders' using our cart paths is just plain childish! What if every state said you can't drive your car on their roads because you live in another state? Do you think Disney World could survive? Could The Villages survive without outsiders? We already use Sumter County money to help pay for entertainment on 2 of the squares. I case you haven't noticed, Spanish Springs area seems to be dying from lack of people going there.

Traffic is horrible here in the villages! Every car that doesn't come here, gives more space for carts. I think the developer should make it easier for all the neighboring communities to have easy access to The Villages by golf cart. Doesn't really matter who pays for the cart paths.

Originally Posted by Regor (Post 728647)

All this bickering over 'outsiders' using our cart paths is just plain childish! What if every state said you can't drive your car on their roads because you live in another state? Do you think Disney World could survive? Could The Villages survive without outsiders? We already use Sumter County money to help pay for entertainment on 2 of the squares. I case you haven't noticed, Spanish Springs area seems to be dying from lack of people going there.

Traffic is horrible here in the villages! Every car that doesn't come here, gives more space for carts. I think the developer should make it easier for all the neighboring communities to have easy access to The Villages by golf cart. Doesn't really matter who pays for the cart paths.

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 728645)

According to this website, there are 2,200 homes in Stonecrest.

Stonecrest Summerfield FL - Stone Crest Florida

And according to this website, there ate 3250 homes in Spruce Creek.

Home

I wasn't aware that you could get to the Villages by golf cart from Spruce Creek. It seems a very long way.

Originally Posted by chuckinca (Post 728659)

The spruce creek online link is for Del Webb Spruce Creek not Spruce Creek across 441/27 from Stonecrest (and adjacent to TV).

Originally Posted by Peachie (Post 728652)

Read through the posts, Warren.

As Winston noted already, previous posters indicated how the all of the extra car traffic from Stonecrest will impact The Villages, no error in that statement. Read through previous posts again and you will read from the long time residents how the former gate was damaged and vandalized almost constantly, no error in that statement. I didn't say the county streets and highways in The Villages weren't public, I encouraged Stonecrest to use those roadways and even to use their street legal carts to visit The Villages, no error in that statement.

I don't think it's a secret that you have a deep dislike of the developer and you may well have your reasons for that, Warren. But trying to color discussions which may be advantageous to the developer is not fair to the rest of us.


It doesn't make any difference how many golf carts from Stonecrest and other developments want to use The Villages soon to be gated, it appears, private entrance to access the private black top cart paths into Spanish Springs. From all indications, it was never the intent of the Morse's to open The Villages cart paths on private property to residents outside The Villages.

Originally Posted by Justjac (Post 727974)

I'm confused, Rubicon. On TOTV, you blast those who protested the wall... Yet, on *************.com you post the following:

By Rubicon:
"Great move? Cause a major confrontation? Create confusion and hardships galore for the people on the historic side? Just so he could get someone else to build a gate?
Get real, he wanted to hurt the businesses in that area, even made promises to do such in board rooms when thwarted on his new Brownwood hospital. Now the people of this area went to bat for all villagers in stopping the decline of service in the older areas of the villages. He does not care about the non sales side of his village. To him it just costs, as for outsiders using our amenities, yes they do now, especially since the watch stopped scanning at the pools. I haven’t brought my card to the pool in 3 years.
If he’d gotten away with this how long before the cart trail in Vail Verde to the driving range was closed? How long before those golf courses were closed or maintenance reduced? This is the path that developer you worship has been on in the historic side for the past few years.
Well done to the villagers that stood up and flashed Comrade Morse the bird on this one. Keep in mind the wall is still there and as much progress as seems to have been made he can still walk away from the table if the protests stop and he’s not hurt further.'

Originally Posted by Arctic Fox (Post 728665)

Any idea how many homes in the 441/27 one, chuckinca?

thanks

Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 728679)

I believe it is both prudent and correct to assume the Developer did not get fined $40M just over "mold". Also, in a response there was no mention regarding the establishment of the VHA and it being a penalty to the POA for supporting the residents? Fairness is critical when writing and asserting any point. There must be limits to using omissions to avoid "reality". :ohdear:

Originally Posted by chuckinca (Post 728659)

The spruce creek online link is for Del Webb Spruce Creek not Spruce Creek across 441/27 from Stonecrest (and adjacent to TV).

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 728671)

In Warren's defense, I believe that most of the posts claiming that closing the gate will lead to traffic and parking problems are in the other thread on this subject.

Perhaps the moderator would consider merging the three threads that now exist on the same subject.

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 728673)

Could you link this directly.

Rubicon says he didn't write it and has never posted on The Village news and I know Rubicon to be an honest man.

Someone MUST be using the screen name Rubicon on The Village news. I won't post on it for that reason.