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margaretmattson 08-22-2023 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by NotGolfer (Post 2248292)
Well as others have asked.....how did you hear this? Coming on a social media site to ask your main question is like throwing sand into the wind. Rumors abound in this community and few are true. Someone said that only the developer knows the answer(s) you ask. Live here long enough and you might know that!!! Besides, I think many of us won't be here to experience what you fear. Someone once said the only thing to fear is fear itself!! Just take deep breathes and relax!
It has been confirmed on this thread that it IS NOT a rumor. Jennifer Parr testified under oath in a trial that the the size of the Villages is going to double. Also, Some posters loaded maps of the land the developer has bought to show Central Pkwy will be the new center of the villages.

I am not fearful of this change. simply dreading the traffic. I wanted to seek the truth because I am planning on moving to the new area. Now, I am well-equipped with facts to make the best decision possible.

kendi 08-22-2023 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by margaretmattson (Post 2247959)
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Hopefully, you are correct about the naming of Central Pkwy and it is just another one of those rumors. I have heard it several times and am starting to believe it. A few people told me they read the Developer purchased enough land to build for 23 yrs. I have experienced the Villages population sweltering to 140,000 from a a few thousand. In my eyes, anything is possible. I have lived it! If there is land, they are going to build.

Funny, how things get in your head! This is why I am asking, want to hear from people who are "in the know". Anyone know how much available land the developer has purchased? And, if there is a significant amount of available land for other developments?

Note: Did not include the metro areas, I was explicitly talking about the cities themselves for comparison. Including metro areas like Fruitland park, Bellevue, Oxford, etc, makes the population numbers worse.[/QUOTE]

The map on TV website shows all the land they own.

kendi 08-22-2023 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by margaretmattson (Post 2247959)
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Hopefully, you are correct about the naming of Central Pkwy and it is just another one of those rumors. I have heard it several times and am starting to believe it. A few people told me they read the Developer purchased enough land to build for 23 yrs. I have experienced the Villages population sweltering to 140,000 from a a few thousand. In my eyes, anything is possible. I have lived it! If there is land, they are going to build.

Funny, how things get in your head! This is why I am asking, want to hear from people who are "in the know". Anyone know how much available land the developer has purchased? And, if there is a significant amount of available land for other developments?

Note: Did not include the metro areas, I was explicitly talking about the cities themselves for comparison. Including metro areas like Fruitland park, Bellevue, Oxford, etc, makes the population numbers worse.[/QUOTE]

The map on TV website shows the land they own.

KenLee100 08-22-2023 07:27 AM
"wretched Sawgrass area"
 
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Originally Posted by VApeople (Post 2248114)
We have been here for 7 years and we think things are better than ever. We enjoy all of the new amenities in the Southern Area, except for the wretched Sawgrass area.
That was harsh. Sawgrass was different on purpose. We happen to like it. If you don't, that's OK. There are other areas you can grace with your presence.
May you "Live long and prosper."

jrref 08-22-2023 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by margaretmattson (Post 2247955)
Word has it, the Developer named the street near Eastport, Central Pkwy because when construction is complete, this area will now be the center of the Villages. If my calculations are correct, our population is going to explode approaching 1/2 million! A city possibly larger than Orlando or Tampa.

UPDATE: THANKS TO THOSE WHO HAVE CONFIRMED ON THIS THREAD THAT THIS IS NOT A RUMOR. WHEN YOU WANT THE TRUTH, JUST ASK TOTV! THANKS AGAIN! This information will help when I purchase a new home.

Here are my calculations. Population now 140,000. Multiply by two since Developer has stated Villages is going to double in size. A 280,OOO population.

But, this does not include the many outside developments in Lady Lake, Beaumont, or apartment buildings, townhouses, etc. It also does not include homes with children or multi-generational living.

Yikes! I can only imagine what traffic is going to be like in a few years. Overcrowded, everywhere? What do you think?

Some current populations for comparison:
Tampa: 395,276
Orlando: 312, 280
Miami: 452,952
Jacksonville: 954, 614

Please note: this is not a bash the south post. Population includes everyone. Please spare those remarks.
I hope you are right that Central Pkw will be the center of the villages so all the traffic and crowds stay down there.

Stu from NYC 08-22-2023 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by jrref (Post 2248314)
I hope you are right that Central Pkw will be the center of the villages so all the traffic and crowds stay down there.
It will be the center until down the road it is not.

JWGifford 08-22-2023 07:38 AM
If it wasn’t the current developer it would be someone else based on TV success.

Michael 61 08-22-2023 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by LadyDiva (Post 2248287)
When property goes for sale anyone can purchase it, If the Villages don’t purchase it, someone else will and the building will continue. Nothing you or I can really do
about it, just grab your popcorn and sit back and relax and watch the show.
Exactly - this land will get developed one way or another - I personally would rather that land come under the “control” and ownership of TV. The empty land between TV and Clermont will all be “gobbled up” and developed in the next decade, and we will become a far northern suburb of Greater Orlando. It’s inevitable. I’m excited for the future of TV.

Altavia 08-22-2023 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by margaretmattson (Post 2248298)
It has been confirmed on this thread that it IS NOT a rumor. Jennifer Parr testified under oath in a trial that the the size of the Villages is going to double. Also, Some posters loaded maps of the land the developer has bought to show Central Pkwy will be the new center of the villages.

I am not fearful of this change. simply dreading the traffic. I wanted to seek the truth because I am planning on moving to the new area. Now, I am well-equipped with facts to make the best decision possible.
Safe bet for sure.

With over 10,000 people retiring per day the development is sustainable and pumping over a billion dollars a year into the local economy.

This created continuous high paying skilled jobs for thousands of workers for over twenty years. It's not common to meet families that have multiple generations working in Villages construction all their lives.

The property tax base is also increasing over a billion dollars a year. Apparently enough last year that will result in a tax reduction this year.

Middleton with the schools is brilliant for many reasons and bringing a diverse demographic mix to the market. This will likely open new commercial opportunities. It will be interesting to watch and see if they continue family housing development.

jwwbmw 08-22-2023 07:55 AM
So many Villagers are flipping out over the fact that The Villages is growing and expanding. While it is not what it used to be, consider this… so many cities and communities across our country are facing the opposite problem. Their communities are dying. People are moving out, therefore businesses are shutting down, new business won’t come, property values have plummeted. They are scrambling in desperation to save what they have left. An expansion like The Villages would be their epiphany. It’s another way to look at our rapid expansion.

Normal 08-22-2023 07:59 AM
Throughway
 
It does make you wonder when The Villages will be large enough for their first throughway. It’s certainly getting close in size and scope. I’m sure those whom it effect will raise Cain. But hey, you can’t have traffic glutting forever.

Regorp 08-22-2023 08:02 AM
Central pkwy
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by margaretmattson (Post 2247955)
Word has it, the Developer named the street near Eastport, Central Pkwy because when construction is complete, this area will now be the center of the Villages. If my calculations are correct, our population is going to explode approaching 1/2 million! A city possibly larger than Orlando or Tampa.

UPDATE: THANKS TO THOSE WHO HAVE CONFIRMED ON THIS THREAD THAT THIS IS NOT A RUMOR. WHEN YOU WANT THE TRUTH, JUST ASK TOTV! THANKS AGAIN! This information will help when I purchase a new home.

Here are my calculations. Population now 140,000. Multiply by two since Developer has stated Villages is going to double in size. A 280,OOO population.

But, this does not include the many outside developments in Lady Lake, Beaumont, or apartment buildings, townhouses, etc. It also does not include homes with children or multi-generational living.

Yikes! I can only imagine what traffic is going to be like in a few years. Overcrowded, everywhere? What do you think?

Some current populations for comparison:
Tampa: 395,276
Orlando: 312, 280
Miami: 452,952
Jacksonville: 954, 614

Please note: this is not a bash the south post. Population includes everyone. Please spare those remarks.
Central parkway goes right by Middleton where our son lives. There has been land cleared as far as the eye can see in every direction with Moultrie Creek and East Port just beginning. We live in a constantly changing amazing area here. Can't wait for what comes next.

nmgirardot 08-22-2023 08:06 AM
I believe Eastport, Central Lake, Torch Lake, Grand Traverse, Brownwood, Antrim, Atwood, etc are a nod to the area in Michigan where the family originates.

terryw13 08-22-2023 08:18 AM
I worked at one of the sales offices and saw a map of the land they have purchased to the south. It goes past Bushnell almost to Webster. They said it would allow them to build for another 25 years. Not a stretch to say Central Parkway could be the center of The Villages someday.

Sandy and Ed 08-22-2023 08:26 AM
Up north malls and large department stores are closing left and right due to th surge in shop by phone houses such as Amazon as well as less merchandise being stocked on store shelves in lieu of phone orders from websites. Wonder if this might eventually put a damper on some of the anchor stores anticipated in the villages present and future

Michael 61 08-22-2023 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Sandy and Ed (Post 2248341)
Up north malls and large department stores are closing left and right due to th surge in shop by phone houses such as Amazon as well as less merchandise being stocked on store shelves in lieu of phone orders from websites. Wonder if this might eventually put a damper on some of the anchor stores anticipated in the villages present and future
Good point to ponder - and could be true, as many big box stores are rethinking their business models regarding building new stores. Personally, I would be OK if these stores do not make it south of 44. I don’t shop at any of them anyway (most shopping done on-line). I drive up to 441/27 and that traffic quagmire in Lady Lake as little as possible, because of all that traffic that comes with those strip malls and fast food outlets.

Dantes 08-22-2023 08:35 AM
Correct in your numbers so is the other persons City limits and metro are different The Villages is the Villages , Bigger In two years Fenny area will be the center my humble opinion

Normal 08-22-2023 08:37 AM
Everything
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandy and Ed (Post 2248341)
Up north malls and large department stores are closing left and right due to th surge in shop by phone houses such as Amazon as well as less merchandise being stocked on store shelves in lieu of phone orders from websites. Wonder if this might eventually put a damper on some of the anchor stores anticipated in the villages present and future
The eventual implosion of commercial real estate will hit investors and bankers the hardest. I know of a mall near Norwalk Connecticut that had Nordstrom’s for an anchor that is closing. It opened just 2 years ago.

My point, new or established, it just won’t matter. Unless you are dealing with food items or the discounted inventory environment, you likely will die on the commercial vine.

mntlblok 08-22-2023 08:45 AM
Elevation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2248330)
It does make you wonder when The Villages will be large enough for their first throughway. It’s certainly getting close in size and scope. I’m sure those whom it effect will raise Cain. But hey, you can’t have traffic glutting forever.
Whoa! An elevated N/S road! Bet it's been pondered!

Jcicales 08-22-2023 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2248352)
The eventual implosion of commercial real estate will hit investors and bankers the hardest. I know of a mall near Norwalk Connecticut that had Nordstrom’s for an anchor that is closing. It opened just 2 years ago.

My point, new or established, it just won’t matter. Unless you are dealing with food items or the discounted inventory environment, you likely will die on the commercial vine.
I know that mall. I live in CT- it was empty tge two times I went. Couldn’t believe it was built.

mntlblok 08-22-2023 08:49 AM
Convert to residential?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2248352)
The eventual implosion of commercial real estate will hit investors and bankers the hardest. I know of a mall near Norwalk Connecticut that had Nordstrom’s for an anchor that is closing. It opened just 2 years ago.

My point, new or established, it just won’t matter. Unless you are dealing with food items or the discounted inventory environment, you likely will die on the commercial vine.
That does seem to be a major concern with so much "work from home" happening. Wondering how much of it, if any, could be converted to residential.

Normal 08-22-2023 08:55 AM
Yes
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mntlblok (Post 2248365)
That does seem to be a major concern with so much "work from home" happening. Wondering how much of it, if any, could be converted to residential.
Yes, I do think the work from home plan has saved businesses a lot of cash, but it sure has assisted the commercial slide as well. Businesses in The Villages will need to be service oriented like restaurants, grocery, with a touch of textiles and furniture?

The commercial building death could be slowed by residential conversion. Maybe a mall could make nice condos or a mini indoor The Villages up north?

Michael 61 08-22-2023 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2248370)
Yes, I do think the work from home plan has saved businesses a lot of cash, but it sure has assisted the commercial slide as well. Businesses in The Villages will need to be service oriented like restaurants, grocery, with a touch of textiles and furniture?

The commercial building death could be slowed by residential conversion. Maybe a mall could make nice condos or a mini indoor The Villages up north?
In Colorado Springs, where I just moved from, they tore down an empty anchor store in the mall (an old Sears), and replaced it with apartments that connect to the existing mall. I think you will see this model played out across the country with other malls.

JMintzer 08-22-2023 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by b0bd0herty (Post 2248283)
During the rogue salesmen trial, Jennifer Parr said, under oath, that The Villages will double in size and that State Road 44 is now seen by the Morse family as the geographic center of the community.

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Originally Posted by margaretmattson (Post 2248298)
It has been confirmed on this thread that it IS NOT a rumor. Jennifer Parr testified under oath in a trial that the the size of the Villages is going to double. Also, Some posters loaded maps of the land the developer has bought to show Central Pkwy will be the new center of the villages.

I am not fearful of this change. simply dreading the traffic. I wanted to seek the truth because I am planning on moving to the new area. Now, I am well-equipped with facts to make the best decision possible.
So typical of ToTV... Two different people stating, AS FACT, two completely different things...

JMintzer 08-22-2023 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by kendi (Post 2248302)

The map on TV website shows all the land they own.
Maybe... Or maybe not...

JMintzer 08-22-2023 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by nmgirardot (Post 2248334)
I believe Eastport, Central Lake, Torch Lake, Grand Traverse, Brownwood, Antrim, Atwood, etc are a nod to the area in Michigan where the family originates.
Correct...

Villagesgal 08-22-2023 11:11 AM
Moved here in 2001 with the hopes the Villages would continue to grow. There was no shopping here then, you had ti drive to Leesburg or Ocala. I love how big it's grown. Sure I miss the surrounding farmland and oak covered 2 lane 301, but all in all I love whatsavailable to us all here now and see it getting even better as we continue to grow. I was 46 when we retired early and moved here and am 68 now, so hopefully I'll be around for another 23 years or more to see it all grow. We live in an amazing place, not perfect, but amazing never the less.

Pmgokey 08-22-2023 11:30 AM
Jennifer Parr said it
 
In one of her videos about 2-3 months ago, Jennifer Parr stated exactly that. I was flabbergasted that the villages would actually make that statement, but she did!!!!

HoosierPa 08-22-2023 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by VApeople (Post 2248114)
We have been here for 7 years and we think things are better than ever. We enjoy all of the new amenities in the Southern Area, except for the wretched Sawgrass area.
We love Sawgrass area !

JeepsterGlenn 08-22-2023 11:56 AM
The names fit…
 
Central Parkway and Middleton (middle town), hmmm

Altavia 08-22-2023 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2248383)
So typical of ToTV... Two different people stating, AS FACT, two completely different things...
Huh?
Same person said:
"Now seen" vs "will be"
Which are two different points on time?

Alib3636 08-22-2023 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2248005)
Also, “I have heard it several times and am starting to believe it.”
I did hear in a Villages video that Central Parkway will be the middle of the Villages someday , I would just need to search around to find the exact video.. 🤔

jimjamuser 08-22-2023 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Altavia (Post 2247995)
Assuming on average:

Construction rate is about 5,000 homes per year.

Occupancy is 1.7 people per home.

Population growth would be 8,500/yr

It will take about 16yrs to add 140,000 residents.
There is a factor that could change those future predictions. The Gulf of Mexico and the Atlantic Ocean around Florida are at record temperatures. Also, most parts of the planet. Scientists predict increased HEAT around the earth for at least 8 years due to fossil fuel use and population increase.
........What will likely happen is that smart people will look at the fact that they can't live in Florida year around due to the summer heat, humidity, and hurricanes. Then, they will look to buy homes in Georgia, South and North Carolina. And they will find those places are probably less costly than Florida is right now.

Stu from NYC 08-22-2023 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2248384)
Maybe... Or maybe not...
Why would anyone think that the Morse family has not bought land in other names than their own. Smart people that they are sure they buy land using shell companies.

Who knows how much land they really own? Only the shadow knows and he aint talking.

JMintzer 08-22-2023 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Altavia (Post 2248415)
Huh?
Same person said:
"Now seen" vs "will be"
Which are two different points on time?
It was said at the same trial...

JMintzer 08-22-2023 03:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2248422)
There is a factor that could change those future predictions. The Gulf of Mexico and the Atlantic Ocean around Florida are at record temperatures. Also, most parts of the planet. Scientists predict increased HEAT around the earth for at least 8 years due to fossil fuel use and population increase.
........What will likely happen is that smart people will look at the fact that they can't live in Florida year around due to the summer heat, humidity, and hurricanes. Then, they will look to buy homes in Georgia, South and North Carolina. And they will find those places are probably less costly than Florida is right now.
Never fails...

JMintzer 08-22-2023 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2248436)
Why would anyone think that the Morse family has not bought land in other names than their own. Smart people that they are sure they buy land using shell companies.

Who knows how much land they really own? Only the shadow knows and he aint talking.
Well, the map shows all the property TV owns, right? That's what's being claimed...

Hence my reply...

BlueStarAirlines 08-22-2023 03:43 PM
I heard that its called Central Parkway because they are putting the new Katie Belle's, a Costco, and a Chik-fil-A right there. I haven't confirmed this part, but <insert your favorite restaurant> is coming to that same part of the parkway.

margaretmattson 08-22-2023 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueStarAirlines (Post 2248452)
I heard that its called Central Parkway because they are putting the new Katie Belle's, a Costco, and a Chik-fil-A right there. I haven't confirmed this part, but <insert your favorite restaurant> is coming to that same part of the parkway.
That is where I was when I started this thread. Skeptical! Read through the entire thread and you will see it is not a rumor. Some posters attached maps, others spoke of a trial in which Jennifer Parr stated the size of the villages is going to double. Using this information, research it yourself. It is true!

alaskagirl 08-22-2023 05:19 PM
The developer's family is originally from Central Lake, Michigan area.
 
The original developer is from the Central Lake area in northern Michigan. The beautiful area includes Torch Lake, Eastport and located in Atrium County and near Traverse City, Michigan. I am from northern Michigan and therefore have been to these places. The developer used Michigan town, city, county and lake names throughout The Villages.


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