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Mrprez 10-24-2020 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1851924)
I agree with everything you said in your post but I have one question for you........

How do you get those two dots above the i? I don't know what that punctuation is called but I don't seem to have that on my keyboard. Thanks.

What type of device are you using to post your very entertaining comments?😁. If you are using an iPad if you long press on the ‘I’ you will be shown other optïons!

sallybowron 10-24-2020 07:38 PM

It is all over Google>

NavyVet 10-24-2020 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JodyBraga (Post 1851691)
First, did you ever stop and think that some people cannot wear masks and that a clear shield is the only way to comply with establishments that require a facial covering? People that have been victims of rape, assault and childhood molestation cannot stand anything which covers the face.

I'm sorry but I'm going to have to nip that blanket generalization in the bud. Don't confuse "don't want to" or "don't like it" with "CANNOT." It's an excuse just like "I can't breathe with a mask on." Millions of people do their jobs wearing masks all day long without problems.
As a Veteran with PTSD and a MST survivor, I do understand anxiety.
I don't enjoy wearing masks either, my glasses fog up, I start sweating from wicked hot flashes, but I suck it up and do it because it's the right thing to do and I have health risk factors that make me susceptible. If you think wearing a mask is so horrible then you would REALLY hate being on a ventilator.
I suppose a face shield is better than nothing at all, as I don't know if they are effective whatsoever, but mathematically and scientifically, masks do help. If a public place or business requires them, then I'm gonna wear them even though they are uncomfortable. We're all just trying to be as safe as possible for everyone's sake. We always have choices; you can either put your big girl panties on and deal with the inconvenience or, if you absolutely refuse to mask up, you can stay home.
I believe it's going to be at least another year before the virus is under control, if ever, and it would be because of so many stubborn, non-compliant people not getting how important it is to do what we can to protect ourselves and our fellow humans. JMHO

coffeebean 10-24-2020 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrprez (Post 1851930)
What type of device are you using to post your very entertaining comments?😁. If you are using an iPad if you long press on the ‘I’ you will be shown other optïons!

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I guess my Dell laptop doesn't have that feature. :(

Altavia 10-24-2020 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1852008)
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I guess my Dell laptop doesn't have that feature. :(

Maybe this will help:

Keyboard shortcuts for international characters - Outlook

Art cov 10-24-2020 10:51 PM

I have not kept up with the expert doc in awhile, does he say wear a mask when 20 ft from the nearest person when walking or what about 50 ft? Does he recommend that when I drive my car with the windows up and a. c. on to wear a mask? Oh yes nobody is with me of course. Is wearing a mask 100 percent effective? Has the wonderful doctor said, no one who wears a mask gets sick or dies? It’s been a couple months since I heard the expert talk about these things. Months ago he changed his mind all the time and I turned him off. Does he have a greater understanding of this virus now?

Vinz8369 10-24-2020 11:12 PM

Thank you

Pillowtalk 10-25-2020 05:22 AM

I would assume that that the majority of them are unaware. At least they are making an attempt to show they care for their fellow human being?

MOMOH 10-25-2020 05:43 AM

What about all the waitresses that wear their masks below their nose? Another useless gesture.

Girlcopper 10-25-2020 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1851650)
The masks are useless as well as the shields. If you really believe the virus can’t get around either one then you are seriously naïve. Covid is not a death sentence! My recommendation to you is to just stay home.

Im sorry but you said “covud is not a death sentence”?? Is that correct?? Go tell that to those families of the thousands who have died already. You do realize the old villagers are prime for this right?

coffeebean 10-25-2020 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie0723 (Post 1852010)

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I can't seem to get it. But......thank you for the link.

GoPacers 10-25-2020 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1852056)
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I can't seem to get it. But......thank you for the link.

I can get the Ï by long-pressing the i on my Android device. This doesn't work on the computer though (as you found out).


For the computer -

Press the Windows key and R at the same time.

Type charmap in the dialog box and press enter

This will bring up the character map. Double-click the character you want and then select the "copy" button (copies the character to the clipboard).

Paste into the editor for this site (or other).

You should be able to get any character that the site allows this way.

sooziesoul 10-25-2020 07:45 AM

OSHA says also that OR must have additional oxygen piped in because masks are worn for longer periods of time. This is help prevent low oxygen levels for the people wearing the masks.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 10-25-2020 08:12 AM

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A face shield is primarily used for eye protection for the person wearing it. At this time, it is not known what level of protection a face shield provides to people nearby from the spray of respiratory droplets from the wearer. There is currently not enough evidence to support the effectiveness of face shields for source control.
I thought that the idea of wearing a mask was to protect the people around you. A two layer cloth mask is not supposed to protect the wearer. Has that changed now? It seems to me that a face shield on an infected person would prevent droplets from hitting other people.

And of course the OP has made it sound like it is a fact that clear face shields are ineffective when the CDC site says there is not enough data to know.

Altavia 10-25-2020 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by sooziesoul (Post 1852096)
OSHA says also that OR must have additional oxygen piped in because masks are worn for longer periods of time. This is help prevent low oxygen levels for the people wearing the masks.

Not correct, OR's and other areas of the Hospital are under positive pressure with atmospheric levels of oxygen. OSHA recomends at least 6 air exchanges per hour.

"The design of an operating room is to have multiple air changes per hour and to stay at a higher air pressure than adjoining rooms or hallways. The effect of the air changes is to remove odors and any undesirable bacteria away from the operative field and is exhausted to the outside, the entering conditioned air is filtered thru HEPA filters eliminating exposing the room with any odors or bacteria. Keep in mind the entering air is usually 100% outside air and has the normal percentage of oxygen."

Nightengale212 10-25-2020 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ladyarwen3 (Post 1851389)
I see so many people wearing only a clear face shield at indoor events (church, shopping, rec center events) where masks are required. These shields are useless to protect anyone--neither the wearer nor the other attendees are helped by these shields. They are designed to be worn in combination with a mask. Are people wearing them only to comply with regulations? Or are they misinformed into thinking that they are safe?

I am saddened to think that I will no longer attend these events because of the actions of a few others. I cannot risk bringing COVID home to my family.

The stress this face shield vs mask issue is causing you is likely making you more susceptible to contracting Covid than this issue itself.

I have been working as an R.N. for 43 years and give stress reduction classes at the facility I am employed at. Many people do not realize how living with chronic stress is not just a negative mental health issue, it can have as equally negative physiologic impact on the body especially the immune system.

We were magnificently created to have a mind and body that respond accordingly to enhance our survival when faced with an actual or perceived threat. This survival response was meant to be a short term event, but when the threat becomes chronic such as in the case of Covid making the physiologic response to it prolonged, that prolonged response which includes having high levels of cytokines, cortisol, etc. levels in our blood streams not only causes chronic inflammation which damages our immune and other body systems, it can activate latent viruses which is the reason why you often see outbreaks of Herpes Zoster/Shingles in individuals who are under a great deal of stress.

With any infectious disease be it bacterial, fungal, or viral for one to contract them they have to be a susceptible host meaning having a weakened immune where they don't have the intrinsic ammo to fight off and kill the infectious invader. Masks, shields, any all other face coverings worn by yourself and others in addition to having impeccable hygienne may protect you and others to a certain extent from contracting Covid, the seasonal flu, or other contagious infections, but they will never fully protect you if your immune system is weakened as a result of the negative physiologic impact of living under chronic stress has on it. And additionally, the damage that is being caused by having chronic high level pro-inflammatory hormones such as cortisol continually released in response to chronic stress can cause the development of diseases equally life threatening as Covid such as heart attacks, strokes, etc.

Protect yourself as best as you see fit, but do yourself a favor and try reduce your stress over what others are doing or not doing because holding on to that stress is doing you far more harm than you may have realized.

PJackpot 10-25-2020 10:06 AM

On the other hand GoPacers....
 
Masks Don’t Work: A Review of Science Relevant to COVID-19 Social Policy | River Cities' Reader

PJackpot 10-25-2020 10:08 AM

On the other hand GoPacers....
 
Masks Don’t Work: A Review of Science Relevant to COVID-19 Social Policy | River Cities' Reader

GoPacers 10-25-2020 10:38 AM

Not sure if you read the paper but this was not peer-reviewed and was removed from researchgate.net by the editors. Here is what they said when it was removed:

“[O]ur Terms of Service prohibit the posting of non-scientific content on the platform. Given its questionable scientific basis and controversial subject matter, the content you posted is a violation of our Terms.”


In a subsequent message to the author they further explained their decision to remove the content:

“However, if we have any reason to believe that content on our platform has the potential to cause harm, then we reserve the right to remove it. In this case, your report was advocating that face masks are not effective and, in effect, discouraging their use. This goes against the public health advice and/or requirements of credible agencies and governments. As content which did not appear to have undergone quality control processes by the scientific community, but which was broadly linked to from a variety of social media accounts, we thought it had the potential to cause harm.”

Sorry, just because something is written and posted on the internet does not make it peer-reviewed.

crazydeb10@yahoo.ca 10-25-2020 11:13 AM

You are right. You must still wear a face mask

Rcolby7 10-25-2020 11:16 AM

It’s easy esp inside—
Virus is spread via aerosol spray. They go under and over the plastic.
Most people wear cotton masks and aerosol spray penetrates cotton. What you need is N95 or KN95 masks. The 95 refers to size of aerosol spray.

Mikef99 10-25-2020 01:11 PM

I've read none of the face masks are effective. Also the current year rate of deaths is not up. So are we worrying about nothing ? WHO came out with lockdowns are worthless unless to give Healthcare in a region a break. Good side lockdowns did reduce pollution in metro areas.

coffeebean 10-25-2020 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GoPacers (Post 1852094)
I can get the Ï by long-pressing the i on my Android device. This doesn't work on the computer though (as you found out).


For the computer -

Press the Windows key and R at the same time.

Type charmap in the dialog box and press enter

This will bring up the character map. Double-click the character you want and then select the "copy" button (copies the character to the clipboard).

Paste into the editor for this site (or other).

You should be able to get any character that the site allows this way.

Thank you. I got as far as the character map but gave up after that.

coffeebean 10-25-2020 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Rcolby7 (Post 1852205)
It’s easy esp inside—
Virus is spread via aerosol spray. They go under and over the plastic.
Most people wear cotton masks and aerosol spray penetrates cotton. What you need is N95 or KN95 masks. The 95 refers to size of aerosol spray.

The 95 refers to the percentage of airborne particles that are filtered for the wearer of the mask.

The following was copied from a Google search.......
The different ratings in place for respirators indicate how well the mask would protect against oils and are rated as N, R, or P. ... Respirators that filter out 95 percent of airborne particles are given a 95 rating, so N95 respirator filters out 95 percent of airborne particles but is not resistant to oil.

coffeebean 10-25-2020 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rcolby7 (Post 1852205)
It’s easy esp inside—
Virus is spread via aerosol spray. They go under and over the plastic.
Most people wear cotton masks and aerosol spray penetrates cotton. What you need is N95 or KN95 masks. The 95 refers to size of aerosol spray.

From what I have read about this subject, fumes are even smaller than aerosols. Fumes, such as perfume or gaseous odors are what I'm referring to.

When I wear a paper mask, purchased in a box of 50 or one of my cloth masks, I am unable to detect aromas from perfume, gas from my gas stove, foods, lav spray, pine sol cleaner, etc. As soon as I remove my mask, those aromas are very strong to me and very easily detected. I know that is an extremely unscientific test of the masks, but for some strange reason, I feel my masks are doing what I want them to do.

Mardarlowe 10-27-2020 03:33 AM

I will hide in my basement til this passes. Someone please mail me some food.

Byte1 10-27-2020 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Mardarlowe (Post 1852834)
I will hide in my basement til this passes. Someone please mail me some food.

Ok, but just try to remember that it's "Donald" not "George." :1rotfl:

Byte1 10-27-2020 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1852266)
From what I have read about this subject, fumes are even smaller than aerosols. Fumes, such as perfume or gaseous odors are what I'm referring to.

When I wear a paper mask, purchased in a box of 50 or one of my cloth masks, I am unable to detect aromas from perfume, gas from my gas stove, foods, lav spray, pine sol cleaner, etc. As soon as I remove my mask, those aromas are very strong to me and very easily detected. I know that is an extremely unscientific test of the masks, but for some strange reason, I feel my masks are doing what I want them to do.

That means that the placebo effect is working.....:clap2:

ts12755 10-27-2020 06:08 AM

90% of Americans are done with masks. If you are sick or obese stay home. Let everyone else live and support their family. This virus will not disappear unless we completely shut down the world for 60 days. I mean completely. No one leaves the house, not police, not firemen, not shoppers, not church goers, No one. Or, we let the virus spread like wildfire and the strong survive. Just like Spanish Flu.

Skunky1 10-27-2020 06:26 AM

A face shield protects you from my droplets and me from your droplets. Be thankful that we are at least trying and others don’t even try.

riamd1954 10-27-2020 06:27 AM

Covid will soon be gone !! Do you wear a mask in the flu season?? Or worry about your family getting it ???

Skunky1 10-27-2020 06:29 AM

Malarkey

Skunky1 10-27-2020 08:17 AM

Coronavirus in the villages
 
Coronavirus in the villages-Our bocce group has been playing bocce for several months now with from 16 to 24 players. Last week we were notified by one of the players that they tested positive for coronavirus. It is real. It is here. All play was conducted according to CDC guidelines.

Jacob85 10-27-2020 08:57 AM

I have seen studies that say the shield is 98 percent effective against the virus but I still wear a mask with it.

Byte1 10-27-2020 09:34 AM

Be sure and wear a military gas mask.

Byte1 10-27-2020 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Skunky1 (Post 1852894)
A face shield protects you from my droplets and me from your droplets. Be thankful that we are at least trying and others don’t even try.

I don't spit on people, so you have nothing to worry about. And I try to stay away from folks that spit a lot. Glad you are wearing a shield if you have a tendency to spit a lot around people.

Bgsu4me 10-27-2020 09:50 AM

So true. This has also kept me away from some activities. Sad

LiverpoolWalrus 10-27-2020 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1853015)
I don't spit on people, so you have nothing to worry about. And I try to stay away from folks that spit a lot. Glad you are wearing a shield if you have a tendency to spit a lot around people.

Skunky is referring to “respiratory droplets” that are expelled when we sneeze, cough, talk or sing. But I think you know that.

Number 10 GI 10-27-2020 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by GoPacers (Post 1852184)
Not sure if you read the paper but this was not peer-reviewed and was removed from researchgate.net by the editors. Here is what they said when it was removed:

“[O]ur Terms of Service prohibit the posting of non-scientific content on the platform. Given its questionable scientific basis and controversial subject matter, the content you posted is a violation of our Terms.”


In a subsequent message to the author they further explained their decision to remove the content:

“However, if we have any reason to believe that content on our platform has the potential to cause harm, then we reserve the right to remove it. In this case, your report was advocating that face masks are not effective and, in effect, discouraging their use. This goes against the public health advice and/or requirements of credible agencies and governments. As content which did not appear to have undergone quality control processes by the scientific community, but which was broadly linked to from a variety of social media accounts, we thought it had the potential to cause harm.”

Sorry, just because something is written and posted on the internet does not make it peer-reviewed.

I don't care who it is from, especially if it's from the government, and I'll consider it bogus until I do a bit of research on it.

Byte1 10-27-2020 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus (Post 1853025)
Skunky is referring to “respiratory droplets” that are expelled when we sneeze, cough, talk or sing. But I think you know that.

:highfive:


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