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Bay Kid 12-31-2014 11:26 AM
My ex girlfriend changed her mailing address on her driver's license to my address in Virginia. Then show her driver's license being the same as yours to TV and they add her to your home in TV, then she can get a pass just as though you are married. The bad thing for her was when we split she had to change her license back. Good thing I didn't put her on the deed!

villagerjack 12-31-2014 12:12 PM
The Villagesis the most successful residential development in the world. The primary reason is because the developer maintais Control over all the amenities and various other rules are in place to ensure that residents have fair and unfettered access to all our activities. A resident ID is issued to a resident. It could not be more clear.

We previously lived in a Dell Webb facility and South Carolina and left there to buy into Villages. The primary reason we left was that the Facilities like tennis, pickle ball, croquet and other sports were turned over to the control of the various clubs i.e. tennis club, pickle ball club who then form teams and basically what happened was if you did not belong to one of those teams your access to these facilities was severely limited. As a snowbird, we did not want to join teams but we did want access to these facilities which we came very difficult to do. To add insult to injury the teams begun to havetournaments and outsiders were permitted to play tennis while a resident like me was locked out.

When this happened very few snowbirds were attracted to the SC Sun City which resulted in very slow sales and a decline in housing values. That particular Sun City began in 1995 with build out of about of about 8600 homes. 20 years later they still have 900 homes to sell.

The Villages has the most successful formulaof any facility of this type in the world and that is because the develope has control All rules are for the benefit of owners and not outsiders. I dread the day whenresidents will be able to call the shots because left to their own imaginations there will always be ways for people to say that this is not fair or that is not fair and changes will be madewhich will in my opinion destroy the most successful model for senior development in the world.

Beechie 12-31-2014 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by villagerjack (Post 988259)
The Villagesis the most successful residential development in the world. The primary reason is because the developer maintais Control over all the amenities and various other rules are in place to ensure that residents have fair and unfettered access to all our activities. A resident ID is issued to a resident. It could not be more clear.

We previously lived in a Dell Webb facility and South Carolina and left there to buy into Villages. The primary reason we left was that the Facilities like tennis, pickle ball, croquet and other sports were turned over to the control of the various clubs i.e. tennis club, pickle ball club who then form teams and basically what happened was if you did not belong to one of those teams your access to these facilities was severely limited. As a snowbird, we did not want to join teams but we did want access to these facilities which we came very difficult to do. To add insult to injury the teams begun to havetournaments and outsiders were permitted to play tennis while a resident like me was locked out.


When this happened very few snowbirds were attracted to the SC Sun City which resulted in very slow sales and a decline in housing values. That particular Sun City began in 1995 with build out of about of about 8600 homes. 20 years later they still have 900 homes to sell.

The Villages has the most successful formulaof any facility of this type in the world and that is because the develope has control All rules are for the benefit of owners and not outsiders. I dread the day whenresidents will be able to call the shots because left to their own imaginations there will always be ways for people to say that this is not fair or that is not fair and changes will be madewhich will in my opinion destroy the most successful model for senior development in the world.
Well said and I couldn't agree with you more. TV is probably the best of the active lifestyle communities and that has alot to do with their policies. However, I do support Joe and all other singles in our community looking for some concessions that would allow them to escort their male/female dates for certain events or activities. Perhaps their may be some compromise that all can accept. Good luck!

Philip Winkler 12-31-2014 01:28 PM
The individual on the deed gets the green ID; it used to be that if another individual was living at that address they would get a blue ID---which I believe had all the privileges.

CFrance 12-31-2014 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Beechie (Post 988274)
Well said and I couldn't agree with you more. TV is probably the best of the active lifestyle communities and that has alot to do with their policies. However, I do support Joe and all other singles in our community looking for some concessions that would allow them to escort their male/female dates for certain events or activities. Perhaps their may be some compromise that all can accept. Good luck!
Yes, it is successful, but that doesn't mean it's perfect. And I think they fell down in this one area. The impact on TV would be miniscule.

I guess if Joe or any other single starts a relationship with a non Villager, they'll just have to take their entertainment dollars to some other community, unless they want to limit themselves to the squares and the restaurants.

Jimturner 12-31-2014 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Greg Nelson (Post 988276)
Is there anything a person can do about barking dogs? It seems unfair to have giant dogs here in small villas. Then people allow them to bark and bark..no nap!
Tape them for as long as they bark, then using a directional speaker, play it back pointed at their bedroom 1 hour after they go to bed.

Bogie Shooter 12-31-2014 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Philip Winkler (Post 988305)
The individual on the deed gets the green ID; it used to be that if another individual was living at that address they would get a blue ID---which I believe had all the privileges.
What do you mean "it used to be"?

JoMar 12-31-2014 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 988319)
Yes, it is successful, but that doesn't mean it's perfect. And I think they fell down in this one area. The impact on TV would be miniscule.

I guess if Joe or any other single starts a relationship with a non Villager, they'll just have to take their entertainment dollars to some other community, unless they want to limit themselves to the squares and the restaurants.
Not really fair is it?

Bavarian 12-31-2014 02:51 PM
Such discrimination against Singles? As a former member of a nationwide singles club, I must speak up. (No longer a member since I go married).

Why not have the green resident pass have written on it, "And one guest"

No extra cards, no need to get it back for next date, it stays with owner.

downeaster 12-31-2014 02:59 PM
It seems a lot of people agree with the OP. So, why doesn't some one(ones?) do something about it? It is not going to be addressed by anyone with authority by discussing it on this forum.
Support is evident via this forum so take it up to the next step. How about asking the HOA or POA for some help? Maybe the District could help.
Let us know what you learn.

2BNTV 12-31-2014 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by vj1213 (Post 988172)
I never really thought about this problem, but I do understand the frustration of singles. Of course I don't know the perfect solution and even if I did I don't think my opinion would really matter to the higher powers. But it looks like there could be a system whereas the singles id could be flagged, whether a different color or a star and that way if they took a date or companion with them to an event they would be allowed to enter. This way the guest could experience the activities but only when accompanied by the resident
I like this idea. Winner, winner chicken dinner as they say on ESPN.

2BNTV 12-31-2014 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 988319)
Yes, it is successful, but that doesn't mean it's perfect. And I think they fell down in this one area. The impact on TV would be miniscule.

I guess if Joe or any other single starts a relationship with a non Villager, they'll just have to take their entertainment dollars to some other community, unless they want to limit themselves to the squares and the restaurants.
:agree:

I don't think a few dates to events at TV, will make TV universe spin off it's axis and out of control.

You want to treat someone special to a special event in TV and some people who are married and set in their lifestyle, somehow see this as a threat to their universe.

Nuff said. I need to contact someone who has the power to change this situation so everyone will enjoy their universe. :smiley:

simpkinp 12-31-2014 06:42 PM
I've been complaining about this on the annual survey for years. So far, no change. As a single I find it very discriminatory since I pay the same amenity fee as a couple, or even more residents of a home. It prevents you from bringing a "friend" who is a non-Villager to your neighborhood gatherings if they are held at rec centers as most are. Luckily I go with a Fellow Villager, so not a problem for me, but I feel your pain.

Jayhawk 12-31-2014 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by simpkinp (Post 988451)
I've been complaining about this on the annual survey for years. So far, no change. As a single I find it very discriminatory since I pay the same amenity fee as a couple, or even more residents of a home. It prevents you from bringing a "friend" who is a non-Villager to your neighborhood gatherings if they are held at rec centers as most are. Luckily I go with a Fellow Villager, so not a problem for me, but I feel your pain.
Actually it is opposite of discrimination. If two or more singles are residents they get the resident ID. Similarly, married residents cannot get a resident pass for a friend unless they are a registered guest. Why should there be different policies based on marital status? This whole argument makes no sense to me. Anyone who is not a resident is not entitled to a resident pass or privilege.

Mikeod 12-31-2014 08:55 PM
I would not be optimistic about a change in policy. A few months ago I attended an AAC meeting where a proposal was made by a resident to allow the firefighters at Mulberry to use the sports court there. It was denied and the primary concern as I interpreted it was an aversion to non-residents using the facilities. Another proposal was to comp fees on the executive courses for active duty military who are guests of a resident. It was also denied. The reason was that making a special allowance for one group opens the doors for other "deserving" groups to request accommodation. I believe making an accommodation to allow non-residents who are in a relationship with a resident access to facilities would likely fall into the same category.

I understand the concern and the apparent disparity, but my experience leads me to believe change will be very difficult.


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