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Let’s have a contest. Does anyone have more that 5 snub nose 38s?
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What about Ft. Hood though?
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Following the Ft. Hood murders by radical Muslim Nidal Malik Hasan, Lt. General Cone stated: "As a matter of practice, we do not carry weapons on Fort Hood. This is our home. Military weapons are only used for training or by base security, and personal weapons must be kept locked away by the provost marshal."
Specialist Jerry Richard, a soldier working at the Readiness Center, expressed the opinion that this policy had left them unnecessarily vulnerable to violent assaults: "Overseas you are ready for it. But here you can't even defend yourself." |
What about base security?
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The terrorist attack took place inside the very crowded Soldier Readiness Center, where personnel receive routine medical treatment immediately prior to and on return from deployment.
Eyewitnesses said he took a seat at an empty table, bowed his head for several seconds, and then stood up and opened fire. Hasan reportedly jumped onto a desk and shouted: "Allahu Akbar!", (Which means Allah is Greater) before, according to reports, firing more than 100 rounds at soldiers processing through cubicles in the center, and on a crowd gathered for a college graduation ceremony scheduled for 2 p.m. in a nearby theater. It was reported that Hasan was focused on soldiers in uniform. I suppose it was difficult for unarmed men and women in the vicinity to gain control of the situation. He had two handguns: an FN Five-seven semi-automatic pistol, which he had purchased at a civilian gun store, and a .357 Magnum which he may not have fired. He is charges with 13 counts of premeditated murder and 32 counts of attempted murder. |
Gracie Say it ain't so....
Gracie, I for one do not think you are an airhead. As a matter of fact, I enjoy your posts immensely and want you to be a resident of TV. We need intelligent, savy and feisty women like you. I live very happily in TV with absolutely no fear but I am vigilent. There is a difference.
I don't own any weapons other than my very protective watch dog Duffy. He can be very intimidating, all 4 lbs of him. By the way, I too was surprised to hear that many people carry concealed weapons but I think that is probably true in most communities. We just have a very active website where people share their experiences. |
What club number would you use on a prowler?
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And who might that be?
Taltarzac 4364 graciegirl 4270 chelsea24 3739 Barefoot 3720 Talk Host 3564 KathieI 3423 redwitch 3146 nONIE 3060 Donna 2724 Russ_Boston 2687 |
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As you admittedly prejudged the discussion before read the posts, I wonder if you think it possible that your expectations could have influenced how you viewed the actual posed. Some people said they are uncomfortable around guns, some gave heartfelt reasons why they carry guns for personal protection, and some said that fear was not a motivating factor in their choice to carry. Some thought carrying a concealed weapon is a good idea; some thought not. Regardless of shades of opinion, personal experiences were shared. I didn't see any posts that argued for interfering with anyone's right to bear arms. To paraphrase your comment and put it in a different perspective: If you don't want to see a variety of opinions on a topic raised for discussion on a discussion board, close your eyes and imagine a world with no opinions other than your own. That will make you feel better. See how that feels. BTW, I mean no insult to you and don't actually suggest you close your eyes. I just hoped perchance to demonstrate how that statement can be hurtful, disrepectful and belittling. I respect your opinions on guns and other topics, regardless of whether I agree. I appeal to you and others for the same respect toward me and my beloved colleagues on this site. |
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Seriously, it's people like you who make TV a wonderful place to live. You are smart, funny, warm hearted and a bit onery. ;) I'm using my bear arms to give you a big heart-felt hug. |
Dear Vinny.
I know that there are guns carried in many states. I also know that somewhere, someone is reading this who has never been here. What are they envisioning? This lovely, PEACEFUL, tranquil, animated, enlivened, safe, joyful, place is not somewhere where you are in extreme danger nor where you are in moderate danger....it is one of the safest places in the U.S. People leave here a lot to go to live in the village of Heavenly but they don't leave because they have been SHOT. I haven't seen anything here that is a cause for concern. People lose their purses and their purses are returned to them most of the time. Golf clubs are sometimes stolen on the square and probably by people who intend to steal them, but not a HUGE problem. There are workers in and out and other than that there aren't people who are strangers or people from off the res just waiting to attack or steal from people. People have guests but really most of the teens are well behaved. I just want the people who have never lived here to realize that in my humble opinion the last thing I would carry is a gun here. But if I ever need protection from some yet unknown invading force, I will not hesitate to call "My cousin Vinny". Cause I think he could get the bad guys....or girls. GG |
As a retired police officer I had a gun attached to my hip everyday. I stared down the barrel many times at people who were a heartbeat away from having me kill them. Can I live with killing someone? Absolutely, I would have not second guessed myself at all. There are evil people in this world and as far as Im concerned killing evil would not cause me to lose a moments sleep. Having seen just about every form of evil I will tell you something that you may or may not believe, but I guarantee you is true. There are evil people living in The Villages, the odds dictate this to be true. Just because you are living in a retirement community doesnt make you immune. Having said that I will say that now that Im retired I dont even own a weapon, why?, I just dont feel a huge need to have one. Im willing to take my chances with the bad people of this world. I feel the odds of having to use it are just about nil. Now Im sure this will **** some people off but I think that most people who have concealed weapons permits probably shouldnt have them. Just because you took a course and blasted the target at the local range doesnt mean you are qualified to carry a gun. Just my two cents worth.
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This place is full of good stuff and lovely kind people like P. BUT....I am thinking about getting a water pistol. I have always been a joiner. Not worried. GG |
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Too hot -- I vote for the water guns. Sundown at the Polo Grounds.
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And, those people who say, if he's outside when you shoot him, drag him in the house. Isn't that murder? Ironic, another mass killing today in New Mexico. 6 known dead. |
How did this thread which asked a simple question by Vinny
{"Does anyone know where in the Villages you cannot carry a concealed handgun?"} deteriorate into a heated discussion about whether "TV is a safe place to live?" I see no reason to interrupt an innocuous remark regarding "handguns" as some hidden message that TV is not a safe place to retire. The only assumption that I made regarding Vinny's question is that he is a law abiding citizen who is going to make those around him a good neighbor. There are some who feel (well intentioned I'm sure) they must "defend" TV even when there is nothing to defend. TV speaks well for itself. It is a lovely retirement community and is "right" for some, yet "wrong" for others. As far as the comments hurled at those who post on the "Political Forum," I find that one must "thread" more lightly on the "General Discussion Forum" because they tend to become a bit more volatile than others especially when any subject is controversial. Annabelle |
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What seems like 10 years ago, some poor guy started this thread by asking for info about carrying a firearm here in TV....
Much emotion and some information that is flat-out wrong ensued. OK, here's my suggestions: 1. Ask a lawyer, admitted to the Florida Bar, who knows about this kind of thing. 2. Failing that, get a copy of Florida Firearms, Law, Use, and Ownership. You can get this on-line here: http://www.floridafirearmslaw.com/ |
Gracie, I agree with you. I feel no need to carry a gun in TV. But there are those times when you are leaving The Villages or are in and out of it throughout the day when I will be armed as it safer to keep the gun on you then in the car. Quite frankly it is uncomfortable to carry a gun in this heat but we do it to protect ourselves and those around us. It is also very inconvenient to carry a gun due to the places you cannot carry one. The last two days are good examples. I was out but ran into friends who wanted me to join them for drinks at a bar. If I was carrying I could not go into the bar. Today I was out and got a call to pickup a prescription. Once again guns are not allowed in pharmacies so you see how much of a pain it can be to carry a gun. Some people feel that it is best to carry all the time rather than play the odds. Personally I would rather take my chances and only carry outside of TV.
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Now I can report back to NJ whose homes to stay away from. :-). |
Imagine starting a thread that "triggers" a conversation. :faint:
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Thank you for the leveled headed discussion on concealed weapons. Yes, I do carry a concealed weapon. And I did carry yesterday to San Antonio. There are many reason I chose to carry: I do drive to the city alone, I do live in a small town with open land behind me and I do feel the need.
I do have to say, I went through 12 hours of training to receive my license here in Texas. A lot of the course was aimed a conflict management and how to handle situations by not drawing your gun. Yes I do have a laser sight. Would I have a hard time using it - not if I feel myself, my husband or my property is truly threatened. Unfortunately as some have said there are bad people in the world. Hope to be there soon ......BJ |
There isn't much in the way of bad guys here. I keep saying it. I keep saying it. I keep saying it.
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Read the facts, read the facts, read the facts.
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I'm not implying anything. There are bad guys everywhere, even here in TV. As much as I'd like to believe there is no crime here, it's just not so, unfortunately.
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Evil people are everywhere. They don't lock them up like they used to.
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Relatively speaking, this is a safe place.Now how many times do you think there has been a situation where a gun was needed in the two years I have lived here? NONE!
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Anyone who has such a permit knows, or should know where it is okay to carry. That is a very prominent part of the licensing process. If the person does not know that information, they should probably not have such a permit... |
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Perception is everything. Even thugs have it. If TV has the reputation of having people who are conservative law-abiding citizens, then that means that a good percentage will be armed.
On the other hand, if people have an image of TV as aging hippies who walk around giving people the "peace sign" they will project an image of helpless victims. IMHO |
Gracie is right....
Gracie, you are right. Perception means a lot. I do hope TV is not a bunch of old hippies, I want a lively bunch when we get there.
I do know a girl here (our town is 22,000) that went to Austin. She did get lost. At a stop sign, a car with 4 guys next to her where checking her out. They were not regular nice guys. She just placed her gun on the dash and had no problems! |
Forget all this pistol packing Paladin nonsense. The only way to travel with a gun is with an Easy Rider Rifle Rack on the back of your golf cart.
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Relatively speaking, I am sure we can all say where ever we have been
is relatively safe with no need to carry/have concealed weapon. The same is iron clad true for insurance of any kind...but we still all (most of us) spend a lifetime of never having had to make a claim. Ditto for being an armed citizen.
There will never be a reconciliation of acceptance of the notion of being an armed citizen. Nor will there ever be a valid argument why not to. Gun owners, 99% or higher, ARE responsible citizens with their version of insurance. It has nothing to do with the perceived or real need or not. It is in the category of religion or politics. Nobody is right or wrong, it is a personal choice. For those who have never been around guns, or those who have lived with them in family sporting....both have a distorted view of the subject. That is not a negative subject...just reality. btk |
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