TV is a safe place. People who live in a safe place don"t often commit crimes in said safe place.

I like the insurance argument.


Yoda

My take on these issues .. .. ..
 

I like the insurance idea, too. Those who carry arms are not necessarily "afraid" as some people believe. It is a part of who they are, and the way they insure the safety of their home and family, much the same as an insurance policy.

The way I insure the safety of my home and family is to always lock my doors whether it's day or night time, to use motion sensor lights, and to always be aware of my surroundings. Being aware of my surroundings also means knowing that there is a fair amount of property crime in TV while crimes against people is quite low. And, I never place myself in a position of becoming a potential target, which would then impact my family, and those called upon to protect, or rescue me.

While I love TV as much as anyone, I am not willing to take on the responsibility of causing a false sense of security by saying there is no crime in TV. That would be an injustice to others, who then may not take precautions.

God created Man.There are preditors there always have been
I choose to protect myself and family,it doen't matter where you live they are there,Am I afraid to walk the streets of the Villages,NO! Am I ready,SOMETIMES!Got make em' think don't you:22yikes:

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That's not a gun in my pocket there Gracie.

She best not try that in East Oakland.


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Just glad to see me?

My one liners go waaaaaaaay back.

Very well said.

Just watch the news everyday. No place is totally safe anymore.

Look at that Connecticut doctor's family where the mom, two daughters were held captive and set on fire. Lovely neighborhood. Two ex cons.

Vermont is probably the lowest crime state in the nation and yet we all now lock our doors, use the motion sensors and no longer let these roving sales people into the house. Neither small town nor rural areas are as safe as they used to be. With parolee's needing drug money and thinking retired people are an easy mark, it could happen. Better safe than sorry.

You reasoning is whacked !
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What my husband always says about Vermont (when I bring up the subject of home invasions as seen on the news).....he says, "there are so many guns in Vermont, meaning rifles, pistols, everything, that no military organization or group of individuals could take over the state of Vermont where we have our gun rights. Obviously, hunting is big up here.....but even non hunters have guns and crime is low....compared to other places. If you read the Orlando Sentinel there are murders every day.

I'm sure it is safe , however, many times career criminals see older folks as easy targets for robbery and often those robberies can lead to worse crimes when the criminal is caught seeking money or other loot for drugs, etc.
It wouldn't be the people living in TV but strangers who might come in to work in the community........or just wander in......

That's for sure.....and if they do incarcerate them, they let them out early.
Drug crime is rampant all over the U.S. The gangs try to infiltrate even small town America to get the kids hooked which gives them a bigger income.

We raised our children in a trusting environment in small town America and yet the world is a different place today for our grandchildren's safety.

I never even thought of our children being abducted, molested, etc.
It never entered my mind. But...times have changed....in every aspect of crime in America.

Also, whereas before they would commit insane people, now they roam the streets. Everyone has "rights" except the victims of crime...or so it seems.

Thank you for your utter honesty and true life experience.
As my husband says, even career criminals retire someday.

Not too long ago I found quite a list of Villagers on the Sexual Offender List.
I haven't looked since then........so not sure what the number is at the moment.........but it gave me pause at the time.....thinking ahead to visiting grandchildren.

Guess I've been watching too much of the I.D. channel which has Main Street Murders and Investigative Discovery, Forensics, etc., Dateline and so forth.

Well said.........

Vermont allows all citizens to carry a concealed weapon without a permit.
As per our constitutional rights.

Vermont is probably the lowest crime state in nation.

Here is the link on all the info you will need about FL's CWL

http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons/index.html

Just seeing your smile makes me happy,Goodnight Gracie:smiley:

Excellent advice!

Well said
 

I agree. The Clampett gang is long in the grave.:BigApplause:

What really amazes me is the fear that people have of inanimate objects. Are you afrid of your toaster, a hammer or your car? Cars kill more people than handgun do each year, yet I have not seem the fear of cars that I do firearms, but both will kill, hurt or maim you if used incorrectly. People kill people, things do not kill people. Remember that.

One of the things I do agree with as stated in one of the replies is that the vast majority of those that get CWL here or in any state don't know how to properly use what they are carrying.

For many years I was a certified Concealled Carry Instructor. In our other state it took 15 hours of training to get your license. 12 classroom and 3 on the range. I did not qualify anyone it was familiarization training only. You where instructed on loading, unloading, which end the bullet came out of, basic sight and trigger control and where the safety was located. Then you had to hit an 8x11 sheet of paper from 7 yards, 17 times out of 25.

I have been and still am a competive shooter. I would tell all my students, come shoot with us once in a while or take our home defense class so you will know what to do in case of an incident where you would be forced to use deadly force to protect yourself or your loved ones. The only ones that ever showed up to shoot or take the class was ladies. You see men have a DA (dumb a**) gene that makes them think they can shoot when really they don't have any idea of what they are doing in a defensive shooting situation.

To take a CWL class and then never practice only makes you a danger to yourself and those around you. So think twice guys before you get armed and make it dangerous for all of us around you. Know what you are doing and be able to do it correctly.

This one is easy. I NEED my car, my hammer and my toaster.

I have NEVER needed a gun and do not expect ever to need one in the future.

The debate goes on and on and on never to be settled.

I've never seen anyone after reading one side or the other say, "oh, I see your point, and have changed my opinon on the subject."

Some things never change.

I don't see what is so hard to understand. Some people want to keep and bear arms has provided to them under the United States Constitution. Some people do not want them to have that right. Some people don't care. Which one are you?

If one subscribes to or is an advocate of having insurance (home owners, auto, boat, ATV, golf cart) then you would/could clearly understand why some choose to carry a concealed weapon.....eh?

Most of us spend many thousands of dollars over our life time paying for insurance...the concept of which is one hopes to NEVER have to use it but it is there in the UNLIKELY event of an incident.

All who elect to carry a concealed weapon... the concept of which is one hopes to NEVER have to use it but it is there in the UNLIKELY event of an incident.

Both provide the same end result...avoiding becoming or being a VICTIM!!

Either have little or nothing to do with how safe it is in TV or anywhere else.

The biggest difference regarding acceptance of the concept or not...one of the above is not a political issue/leverage...one of the above is not portrayed on every news cast as the cause of the incident being reported...one of the above is not sensationalized by the media, entertainment, politicians or special interest groups.

Actually quite simple to understand...eh?:D

btk

Are you sure you need your car, you can always walk, you can use a rock for your hammer and you can toast bread without a toaster. If you don't know how I am sure there are some that can show you how.

Having said that there are only two ways that you can get people to do something. This include everything. You can present a reasonable reason why they should do it, or you can use force to make them do it.

Being bigger than you if I wanted you to do something, I have to use either one or the other of these methods. Now to even the playing field, Samuel Colt made us all equal no matter our size.

Current world events could change you mind quickly. Our founding fathers insured that, WE THE PEOPLE, would always have a way to protect ourselves, the 2d Amendment.

There is no such thing as GUN CONTROL, its PEOPLE CONTROL. Just see how well it worked for Hitler, Moa, Pol Pot, and Stalin.

Gun control actually means being able to hit your target where you are aiming.

I know that most likely you will never change your mind, but do away with the 2d Amendment and the othe 9 in the Bill of Rights are meaningless.

Pol Pot

When I was a kid (17) entered the Navy. I had to learn to assemble and disassemble a pistol and then they had me shoot it ten times. I never hit the target and never held a gun in my hand since. I have thought about keeping a gun in the house but my bride hates guns. So once again we compromised and did it her way. Kidding asideAmericans never never want to forfeit their right to own a gun. americans contiue to give up their rights slice by slice just a the folks did in Easter Europe under the communist.

I don't think you understand. I support the right to carry a gun. I love the constitution of the United States.

I just don't NEED a gun, never have needed one and don't expect to need one.

However, some of you guys are makin' me mad...............chilout

Gracie DOES, however, own a squirt gun..............probably unregistered.....no permit..... :jester:

Bill :wave:

Do you live in the Villages?if so where please?I would prefer not to have you next door ,your Avitar ,pretty much convinces me,if you are so fast to grab a gun then you have never had to use one....................

Gun control means using 2 hands.

Who is this in response to?

Figmo in #145?
 

Figmo has a Colt 45 avatar.

Figmo,now that I know a little more about you,I humbly apolgize,and thankyou for your many years of service

The avatar is not a Colt, its an STI, 1911 45 ACP (Automatic Cocking Pistol) and it is used ony for competitive shooting. Lots of work and tuning has gone into the firearm. It the same as calling all AR 15s, Assualt Rifles, it actually comes from the ArmaLite name, IE., AR, of which there are many makes and models.

Assualt Rifles are made to fire at least 3 round bursts with each trigger pull, some are completely automatic and will fire until the ammunition source is empty.

Law abiding citizens can still own a fully automatic firearm, but you have to fill out tons of paperwork, get approval by the local sheriff, pay a $200 tax stamp, go through a Class III FFL dealer and then if you can find one made prior to 1986, at a very infalted price go for it. You also have to agree to have your storage area inspected by the BATFE to insure that you are in compliency with Federal storage requirements. Then the real expense starts, buying the ammo. You can go through lots in a very short time.

I have never felt the need to own or go through all the hassal of get an automatic firearm. To me its just a waste of time, money and ammo.

By the way, Handman, I have not fired a shot in anger since January 1968, when Saigon was over ran by the NVA during the TET Offensive. I chose to carry the same as you chose to have auto insurance. Just because I carry does not mean I want to shoot someone, just the same because I have auto, homeowners insure, I am not going to go get into a wreck or burn my house down just to use it. Just like a Boy Scout, always be prepared.