We are in the south, going to see few confederate flags around mostly on private property or stuck in bed of pickup truck. Just like we see flags for Canada 🇨🇦 and Mexico and other countries and 99.999% fly the flags properly with the American flag on top and the other flag on bottom. I personally don’t care 🤷*♀️ what other people do on private property. I have no control or say so. We are still free country.

See what you started?

Can we all move on to dog poop?

A flag pole is just that, a pole. IF an American flag is flown, then YES, etiquette states it is flown at top. IF there is no American flag, then it is a pole to display whatever you wish. I see things that I wouldn’t want on my yard, but then again, it’s not my yard. I’d hate to have someone report me for my red shutters, because it offends them as Communist, or whatever they don’t like. Relax, enjoy what little time most of us have left in this great place we call home, and don’t let things get to you. We sometimes let something eat at us and we miss out on the good times. My humble advise, leave it go and look away. They might have a reason ( a distant family relative died in a battle and it is their way of honoring them) . We never know the reason UNLESS we ask.

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Nucky: Where is this Confederate Flag? What community and please be specific. I have a neighbor who flies the Confederate Flag and understand his feelings! In addition, if the Confederate Flag disturbs you, I would politely, suggest you focus on more serious issues within our community.

2 flags could be side by side on 2 poles. Can we have 2 flag poles in TV?

From your post I can't tell if there is an American flag involved.

I know what you mean! All I really want is to know the law and see it in writing. And if what I saw was wrong who to contact. Dats it. I don't know if you saw the posts that were graciously deleted very early today. They were wild.

I'm not against these peoples flags at all. I am not trying to sway or change anybody. I'm against the American Flag Not being flown at the top. Seems sensible to me. :pray:

I thought I heard somewhere at TV that flag poles were not allowed.....they actually are viewed as statues/icons/extra stuff that is not allowed. They kinda look away during Christmas holidays, but after that they do not allow it. Might want to check with the organization that checks lawns and their removal, upkeep, etc.

No American flag being flown.

I have a flag pole something on the side of my garage, but I don’t see anyone have any flags in my neighborhood. I figured that it was for July 4th.

Someone put out a small holder with a small cloth on the lawn that says: “We are playing” and that’s about it.

As I understand this complex thread, no American flag was on the flag pole in question. There was a flag on top that was maybe a confederate flag or a team flag, but some flag that the OP thought was a confederate flag. And below that some political flag. Left, right, not stated that I saw.

I had a great great grandfather and a great grandfather who fought in the civil war for the North. So not a fan of the confederate flag.

However they have a first amendment right to fly both those flags as long as no American flag is involved or if it was, the American flag is above the other two. A lot of really good people died to give them that right. So if it offends you to bad. We have taken "the politically correct" thing to do or say to the point of being absurd. It's their flag, their flag pole, and from what I can read here they have not dishonored the American flag so drop it.

The American Flag is not on the pole so reversing does nothing. There is no requirement to put an American Flag on the pole. I would
rather see one but some people only fly their college flags.

Flag etiquette for the U.S. Flag only applies if there is a U.S. Flag flying. If there is no U.S. Flag then Flag etiquette does not apply. You still have not made it clear if there is a U.S. Flag present. The only Flag etiquette is this Top U.S. Flag, below the State Flag, below that a Local Flag, below that, any other flags.

The vast majority of the time the confederate flag means two things. One of which is the person flying the flag is likely uneducated. The second is obvious and often follows the first. While it may be someone's right to fly the flag it doesn't make it desireable to have it in your neighborhood.

YEP...nailed it. :thumbup:

There is a Villager down the street who plays "Taps" at sundown on many days. This is incorrect! Taps is played at Military funerals or before midnight on military bases. He should be playing "Retreat" at sundown as the flag is lowered. This is just incorrect. I think I will call Community Watch and Community Standards to see if they can do something!......LOL!

Incorrect.....Many true, native, Southerner's like me had distant relatives from the early and mid 1800's who died in the "War of Northern Aggression". Although I do not fly the Confederate Battle Flag I still admire the fact that my family history was one of coming here from Ireland and Scotland, assuming land under a government grant program, raising a family, farming and wanting to be left alone. The person flying that flag may be more educated than you and just is showing their pride in being a Southerner! Today's world is one of attempting to change history. We cannot.

And where the special interest groups can get away with it....eliminate history.
Yale for example is eliminating some of the history programming as it has been found to not be diverse enough.
The sad part of what is "going on today" is it is the minority (not race) that is winning these moves to change the world as it HAPPENED.

I know....off the subject of the thread but some what tangential.

Given the attempt at revisionist history once again regarding the reason for the Civil War and its traitorous attempt at destroying the United States through secession...I think your post is worth repeating. :ohdear:

However they have a first amendment right to fly both those flags as long as no American flag is involved or if it was, the American flag is above the other two.

This is the answer. Simple. It is the first time I've ever seen two flags on a 30 foot Flag Pole and The American Flag wasn't one of them and at the top.

I agree the thread did get complicated because I answered posts by others that have been deleted. Simple question, simple answer. Thank You. I believe you but don't really like the answer but Thank You. It is what it is. I've been told Google is my friend but couldn't find the info you supplied online.

Most of the discussion seemed to be triggered by the above statement.

As I understand your post you are questioning if the American flag should be flown?? Just because it is a flagpole does not dictate a US flag having to be flown!! In respect to the confederate flag you should research what flag is being flown and ascertain it is not a state flag as many resemble the confederate stars and bars. Finally if a confederate flag or state flag is flown in conjunction with a political flag there is absolutely no precedent which should be on top. I feel your problem is either with the confederate flag or the "political flag" and most likely the political flag.

So my take after reading five pages is that the rules in the villages to not speak to whatever you fly on a flagpole. You can fly an American flag, or not. Or fly the flag of a nation which attacked the US and caused more deaths than in any other war in our history, or not. You could fly a Nazi flag because your great grandfather fought for the Reich and you may not agree with all the Reich's policies but understand that grandfather was being a patriot to his culture. You could fly the Soviet hammer and sickle flag or the flag of PLO. And because it is on a flagpole there are no regulations.

And I guess this is the loophole where you can fly a "Home for sale" flag up there as big as a flag can get, and because we don't regulate flag content. Freedom of speech and protecting the second amendment requires that "well regulated" mean not regulated.

What can I say !!!!
 

After reading this thread, I see the War may NOT be OVER for some.... :ohdear: :ohdear:

If we try, we can make something ugly out of almost everything.




…..Mother Bedelia.

OH SO TRUE (and thank you for stating the NOT SO OBVIOUS)! There is quite a bit more to the civil war and the causes which resulted in more Americans killed than in all other wars combined. The victors write the history books, however, and have taught that the war was fought over slavery (period). States Rights and the right to secession of any state from the union is never broached in the history books. The 10th Amendment is unfamiliar territory to most folks as a result of public schooling but many are quick to lecture others on their understanding of history. A wonderful book written on this very subject is "Emancipating Slaves, Enslaving Free Men" by Jeffrey Rogers Hummel, which elucidates many of these very issues. And, NO, I am not a southerner - was born and have always lived in the north but I have a reasonably clear understanding of "true" history in many areas that have piqued my interest. The sources, of course, must be pursued from other than indoctrinating public schooling. All best left for another topic, I suppose … just sayin' :blahblahblah:

I looked it up. The Stars and Bars was the first Confederate Flag beginning 1861 but was replaced in 1863 by the Stainless Banner, and again in 1865 by the Blood Stained Banner. Both of the latter have the design that today is often called the “Confederate Flag” in the upper left corner on a field of white. The Blood Stained version added a blood red vertical bar on the far right. And that upper left design was also adopted as the North Virginia Battle Flag (more square, not rectangular). Why that upper left design is reproduced as an entire rectangular flag and sold as the Confederate Flag, I do not know.

Again, the topic is flag etiquette/rules in The Villages.

If you want to have a non-political discussion about the Civil War, feel free to start a new thread.

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The part of this whole discussion that I find amazing (for The Villages), is that flags on a flagpole are not covered in the deed restrictions. After all, you can't put a 6 inch garden gnome in your landscaping since it is a magical pagan creature and could offend those that are devout believers in a different religion. Signs have to be small and theoretically only displayed in a window. Most deed restrictions are designed to enhance aesthetics and as to not offend others. Imho, a Nazi flag, and ISIS flag or a confederate flag is far more offensive to many more people than a garden gnome or a pair of brass herons, yet there is no deed restriction. If a deed restriction regarding flags would be a first amendment violation, then so would a ban on pink flamingos on a lawn. Just sayin'

Thank you
Steve

While it pains me to say this...I agree. :oops:


On a positive note...you're making good progress. :thumbup:

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So are you:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I don't think "garden gnomes" and flamingos and crosses and stars of David and other "lawn stuff" are "banned" for religious reason but only to keep them from multiplying like rabbits ending up as 150 "garden gnomes" and flamingos and other stuff on one person's lawn turning our neighborhoods into what looks like a novelty shop. :D

In which case it might be offensive to the neighbors, kind of like a Nazi flag?

I am hoping to lighten this up just a bit. We once had a very impressive flag pole that could be used to display numerous flags simultaneously. We usually flew four flags in fact. The top flag was always the United States flag. But after that, it was primarily a question of who got up first (yes, all of the flags were taken down each evening). If it was my son, the Brasilian flag was second. If it was my wife, the Italian flag was second. If it was me, the Irish flag came second. We never did actually resolve the order of the 3rd and 4th flags. Oh, and those last three flags were always smaller in size then the U.S. flag.

It’s his first amendment right. Ignore it and move on.

Then so is a garden gnome, correct?

I've moved on already. The flags are down, my original questions were simple and I appreciate every answer, even the ones that were a little rough. I was searching for info I couldn't find on my own. Now I have to much info. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: