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l2ridehd 02-01-2020 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by GoPacers (Post 1714488)
The vast majority of the time the confederate flag means two things. One of which is the person flying the flag is likely uneducated. The second is obvious and often follows the first. While it may be someone's right to fly the flag it doesn't make it desireable to have it in your neighborhood.

That is a generalization that I do not agree with. There all uneducated? Really? So the 100's of thousands of Americans who fought and died for the South in the civil war were just a bunch of dumb folks? Again I disagree. There was more than one reason for the civil war. Slavery was the one the media hype at the time drove to recruit more solders from the North to fight. It was a reason and for many the primary reason, but for just as many it was states rights. Heresy to say it but it is true.

Lets just suppose that someone here grew up in the South and had a great great someone who fought and died in that horrible war. Maybe they were flying the flag on that person birthday or the day they died. Some very valid reason. And you claim they must be uneducated. Very sad way to think.

ColdNoMore 02-01-2020 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by l2ridehd (Post 1714607)
That is a generalization that I do not agree with. There all uneducated? Really? So the 100's of thousands of Americans who fought and died for the South in the civil war were just a bunch of dumb folks? Again I disagree. There was more than one reason for the civil war. Slavery was the one the media hype at the time drove to recruit more solders from the North to fight. It was a reason and for many the primary reason, but for just as many it was states rights. Heresy to say it but it is true.

Lets just suppose that someone here grew up in the South and had a great great someone who fought and died in that horrible war. Maybe they were flying the flag on that person birthday or the day they died. Some very valid reason. And you claim they must be uneducated. Very sad way to think.


And what "state's right"...were they wanting? :oops:

You can answer...
HERE

Velvet 02-01-2020 12:28 PM

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davefin 02-01-2020 12:42 PM

I am lost here. What is the Political Flag referenced in the original post? If not a USA flag, just get over it, go back to bed and rest.

rwfisher1969 02-01-2020 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Nucky (Post 1714271)
On a different issue or conflict and if they were my neighbor I would talk about it with them if I saw them outside. Knock on the door?? Not even a remote chance. I do understand your idea and 20 years ago maybe it would have worked for me but as of today that idea is a no go. I could ask you to go for me but I don't want to be disrespectful as you don't deserve that. Disrespect is what made me post in the first place but it wasn't the disrespect of a person it was the disrespect of The AMERICAN FLAG.

I don't want to stop someone from flying the other flags that are there now but the way I understand it THE AMERICAN FLAG is flown in the top position. My main QUESTION was who do I contact to have this corrected if in fact it is wrong. It seems wrong but I'm looking for help from someone who is in the know and confirmation that the AMERICAN FLAG should be present.

One of the replies I got so far the wildest one by far was was move back north. After reading my original post thats your answer? Are you the person with the flags I'm talking about? I did mention I was looking for guidance and was being constructive. I'm not trying to change anybody's feelings or view about the flags that are there now. What they think about those flags is not my business. The Flag that's missing is our business.

If the answer is that the flag configuration I mentioned is fine I guess I have to accept it. If someone know who to call please let me know.

Just because there is a flagpole does not mean that an American flag needs to be flown from it. Yes, if an American flag is present, it is to be above others.

Boomer 02-01-2020 01:26 PM

We are living in a time that should force us to think about who we really are — as individuals — to acknowledge our own truth, our personal code, what’s in there, deep down, telling us who we really are.

But it is also a time that often shows us who others really are.

So here we all are, with a lot to think about. - - - “Oh say can you see . . .”

Dukester 02-01-2020 02:01 PM

Go to dos.myflorida.com this is the Florida State Department with flag protocol and requirements. They also have a contact procedure via email or phone number. You should find out who to contact.

l2ridehd 02-01-2020 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1714618)

And what "state's right"...were they wanting? :oops:

You can answer...
HERE

The North and the South were very divided in the late 1850's, very much like our political parties are today. Not really rational but still a fact.

The North was very industrial and the South was very much a farming area of the country so each wanted very different things from the Federal government.

States rights were only one of many reasons that divided the North and South. Slavery was one of those and a major one, but we seem to forget the others. Expansion was a big one (Texas) wanted to become an independent country as early as 1835 and again in 1857. Bleeding Kansas which was a very violent conflict about the legality of slavery and at that time in Kansas slavery was not legal. Abraham Lincoln was a president who had very divided support over most of the country. He won the 1860 presidential election without being on the ballot in ten Southern states. The right of secession. Some states wanted to leave because of slavery and some because they wanted to become a country of their own not beholding to the government. Seven states left to become independent and after some time 4 more states joined them.

I have never suggested slavery was not one of the main reasons for that war, but we just can't forget all the reasons and there were many. The country was very very divided back then very much like we are today. And everyone knows that today there are many many reasons why we are divided today. It was not then nor is it now a one issue reason.

OlifOlif 02-01-2020 02:39 PM

I know of someone who did this at another community located nearby. I understand that there was no conflicts! At last check, this was still going on! So there!

ColdNoMore 02-01-2020 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by l2ridehd (Post 1714697)
The North and the South were very divided in the late 1850's, very much like our political parties are today. Not really rational but still a fact.

The North was very industrial and the South was very much a farming area of the country so each wanted very different things from the Federal government.

States rights were only one of many reasons that divided the North and South. Slavery was one of those and a major one, but we seem to forget the others. Expansion was a big one (Texas) wanted to become an independent country as early as 1835 and again in 1857. Bleeding Kansas which was a very violent conflict about the legality of slavery and at that time in Kansas slavery was not legal. Abraham Lincoln was a president who had very divided support over most of the country. He won the 1860 presidential election without being on the ballot in ten Southern states. The right of secession. Some states wanted to leave because of slavery and some because they wanted to become a country of their own not beholding to the government. Seven states left to become independent and after some time 4 more states joined them.

I have never suggested slavery was not one of the main reasons for that war, but we just can't forget all the reasons and there were many. The country was very very divided back then very much like we are today. And everyone knows that today there are many many reasons why we are divided today. It was not then nor is it now a one issue reason.


Sorry, but that's simply the continued attempted revisionism...to try and obfuscate facts and the truth. :ohdear:

It is most definitely hate...NOT heritage.

Nucky 02-01-2020 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dukester (Post 1714693)
Go to dos.myflorida.com this is the Florida State Department with flag protocol and requirements. They also have a contact procedure via email or phone number. You should find out who to contact.

There you go another real answer. Thank You! :bigbow:

OrangeBlossomBaby 02-01-2020 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1714581)
I don't think "garden gnomes" and flamingos and crosses and stars of David and other "lawn stuff" are "banned" for religious reason but only to keep them from multiplying like rabbits ending up as 150 "garden gnomes" and flamingos and other stuff on one person's lawn turning our neighborhoods into what looks like a novelty shop. :D

Oddly enough, those particular deed restrictions don't exist in the Historic section and I have yet to see a lawn with more than a few of any of the above "offending" items, let alone 150 of them.


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