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Bonny 10-04-2015 07:55 AM

Well, it will be interesting to see now that this thread is going again if the OP will join in on the conversation.

golfing eagles 10-04-2015 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by tomwed (Post 1123990)
Now-------the-----
snake came back the very next day,
The snake came back, we thought he was a goner
But the snake came back; it just couldn't stay away.

Robert Frost has nothing to worry about with that one:1rotfl:

Boomer 10-04-2015 08:15 AM

wow I hope this particular reporting really is an apocryphal tale because if it is true, oh my, welcome to the mean streets of TOTV. (Cringe)

What I do know is that if I were a coyote, I would want to live in TV. If I were a coyote, I would think of TV as a smorgasbord.

Coyotes are here to stay. No need to panic. But we do need to educate ourselves on coyote behavior and try to be as smart as they are.

jnieman 10-04-2015 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1123988)
The Ashland cat snatched in September may be one of the Lynnhaven rumors. There are pictures of two cats taken now from lanais. This is on the site that must not be named.

Both of the houses where I have heard that cats were taken here in Lynnhaven seem to be on Saluda Street. They are not right together but a few houses apart. The other Saluda Street cat snatched was about two months or so ago. Maybe in August?

Article this morning in the other on line news about what sounds like is another one snatched. Here is the headline: Villagers mourn pet snatched from lanai after screen ripped open

Taltarzac725 10-04-2015 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jnieman (Post 1124027)
Article this morning in the other on line news about what sounds like is another one snached. Here is the headline: Villagers mourn pet snatched from lanai after screen ripped open

That's the Saluda Street one here in Lynnhaven for Friday night's loss of the 20 year old cat.

Barefoot 10-04-2015 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Bonny (Post 1124002)
Well, it will be interesting to see now that this thread is going again if the OP will join in on the conversation.

I asked in yesterday's thread if the OP who lives in the Village of Bonita backs on a Preserve.
I would still be interested to hear whether she backs on a Preserve or golf course.

Taltarzac725 10-04-2015 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1124043)
I asked in yesterday's thread if the OP who lives in the Village of Bonita backs on a Preserve. I would still be interested in that information.

If you do a little digging in her web-site you can find her house address and then Google it as well as put it on Mapquest. I do not want to post private information like her address on here. Click on whatever is colored and looks like it will lead to a home address. It is her choice to leave up access points to her web-site and through that to her home address.

rubicon 10-04-2015 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1123919)
If you saw it, on the deleted thread, I posted that I would take the liberty of speaking for the skeptics in sincerely apologizing and feeling sorry for the OP if he/she truly lost her pet in such a cruel manner. But I also think that there is so much about the story that doesn't seem to hang together that there is room for legitimate doubt as well, starting with the 2010 post. And if the post is real, please, please, don't leave a third kitty out on the lanai.

Hey golfing eagles: Perhaps I am mistaken but in the long run it doesn't matter because of time place and affect.

I will take people at face value for purposes of feeding TOTV threads and respond in a good faith manner. What is written here does not affect me or mine. If it did then well that's another conversation. Whether its true this person lost a cat to a coyote or not does not affect me in the least. (ie have no skin in the game) However, if a poster tries to convince members that Canal Streets runs all the way to Ocala well that's a different animal (excuse the pun)

You know as a medical doctor that virtually the one time people are always going to be truthful is when the are admitted to the emergency room for emergency care...they are not going to lie for fear of not properly being treated.

I know a number of ways to test a person's veracity. My past occupational disciplines required it. Now that's when my Sherlock Holmes brows furrowed and I'd begin to eliminate the possibilities to focus on the probabilities. It always amazed me on how gifted people were of telling tales and even more so that they under any circumstances would never back away from their story even if you had evidence in hand of their mis-dealings

As to this OP again I say bravo on your creativity and imagination and if true sorry for your emotional trauma

tomwed 10-04-2015 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1124004)
Robert Frost has nothing to worry about with that one:1rotfl:

Well----I remember singing this song when my kids were little. It's gruesome and probably nobody sings it anymore, sort of like Grimm's Fairy Tales. Wow- how times have changed.

This reminded of another song we use to play in the car whenever we were driving---A for Apple---aaa B for Baby ba ba ba. No wonder I'm a little left of center. It's those damn songs. They're still in my head.

golfing eagles 10-04-2015 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1124055)
Hey golfing eagles: Perhaps I am mistaken but in the long run it doesn't matter because of time place and affect.

I will take people at face value for purposes of feeding TOTV threads and respond in a good faith manner. What is written here does not affect me or mine. If it did then well that's another conversation. Whether its true this person lost a cat to a coyote or not does not affect me in the least. (ie have no skin in the game) However, if a poster tries to convince members that Canal Streets runs all the way to Ocala well that's a different animal (excuse the pun)

You know as a medical doctor that virtually the one time people are always going to be truthful is when the are admitted to the emergency room for emergency care...they are not going to lie for fear of not properly being treated.

I know a number of ways to test a person's veracity. My past occupational disciplines required it. Now that's when my Sherlock Holmes brows furrowed and I'd begin to eliminate the possibilities to focus on the probabilities. It always amazed me on how gifted people were of telling tales and even more so that they under any circumstances would never back away from their story even if you had evidence in hand of their mis-dealings

As to this OP again I say bravo on your creativity and imagination and if true sorry for your emotional trauma

:agree:

Barefoot 10-04-2015 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1123988)
The Ashland cat snatched in September may be one of the Lynnhaven rumors. There are pictures of two cats taken now from lanais. This is on the site that must not be named.
Both of the houses where I have heard that cats were taken here in Lynnhaven seem to be on Saluda Street. They are not right together but a few houses apart. The other Saluda Street cat snatched was about two months or so ago. Maybe in August?

Tal, are all these cat snatchings in the online newspaper or are they rumours?
My heart goes out to anyone who has lost a pet.
It was reported that the man who lost his unleashed dog saw a coyote.
Could the cat snatchings be a feral dog, a bob cat or even a possum? We have some large possums in our back yard.

golfing eagles 10-04-2015 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1124062)
Tal, are all these cat snatchings in the online newspaper or are they rumours?
My heart goes out to anyone who has lost a pet.
It was reported that the man who lost his unleashed dog saw a coyote.
Could the cat snatchings be a feral dog, a bob cat or even a possum? We have some large possums in our back yard.

A possum can tear thru the screen and drag a cat away????

rubicon 10-04-2015 09:40 AM

Neighbors have been reporting sighting coyotes all around Bonnybrook neighbors and hence one can conclude Lynnhaven.

One neighbor told me she often sighted an alligator trying to get into her lanai at get at her small dog.

I suspect the OP may be upset at the number of doubting Thomas's and just decided to abandoned her interest in responding...and it is a fair and justifiable response

Bonny 10-04-2015 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1124055)
Hey golfing eagles: Perhaps I am mistaken but in the long run it doesn't matter because of time place and affect.

I will take people at face value for purposes of feeding TOTV threads and respond in a good faith manner. What is written here does not affect me or mine. If it did then well that's another conversation. Whether its true this person lost a cat to a coyote or not does not affect me in the least. (ie have no skin in the game) However, if a poster tries to convince members that Canal Streets runs all the way to Ocala well that's a different animal (excuse the pun)

You know as a medical doctor that virtually the one time people are always going to be truthful is when the are admitted to the emergency room for emergency care...they are not going to lie for fear of not properly being treated.

I know a number of ways to test a person's veracity. My past occupational disciplines required it. Now that's when my Sherlock Holmes brows furrowed and I'd begin to eliminate the possibilities to focus on the probabilities. It always amazed me on how gifted people were of telling tales and even more so that they under any circumstances would never back away from their story even if you had evidence in hand of their mis-dealings

As to this OP again I say bravo on your creativity and imagination and if true sorry for your emotional trauma

I think the problem comes in when someone posts not long ago saying this happened to them in January, then makes another similar post that it just happened to them in October.
And, of course, never comes back to answer any questions about it.
Creative imagination ? Definitely not what I would call it.

Barefoot 10-04-2015 09:50 AM

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Chi-Town 10-04-2015 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1124072)
My heart goes out to anyone who has lost a pet. So sad to lose a 20 year old cat that way (as reported in the online newspaper today).
Tal, are all the cat snatchings you mentioned fact or are some of them rumours?
It was reported that the man who lost his unleashed dog saw a coyote.
I'm wondering whether the villain in the cat snatchings could be a feral dog, a gator, a bob cat or even a possum? We have some large possums in our back yard.

Had large possums up north. They could tear through screens, soffits, and siding easily. And once they got into the attic it was home. But I hever heard of them carrying off a dog or cat.

There are so many inconsistencies to this tale that I'm sure by Halloween it will have morphed into a ghost story.

Barefoot 10-04-2015 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1124066)
I suspect the OP may be upset at the number of doubting Thomas's and just decided to abandoned her interest in responding...and it is a fair and justifiable response

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Originally Posted by su2009 (Post 1123857)
I tried to post yesterday but it never showed up anywhere that I could see.

The OP never saw the skeptical posts on yesterday's thread, and then Admin closed the thread.
I think responses on today's thread are somewhat kinder.
It is a huge co-incidence to lose one cat from a lanai in January and a second cat in October, but co-incidences do happen.
I think that prompted some of the questions.

Bonny 10-04-2015 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1124082)
The OP never saw the skeptical posts on yesterday's thread, and then Admin closed the thread.
I think responses on today's thread are somewhat kinder.
It is a huge co-incidence to lose one cat from a lanai in January and a second cat in October, but co-incidences do happen.
I think that prompted some of the questions.

Oh I don't know. Sorry, but I think OP saw the posts.

TheVillageChicken 10-04-2015 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1124082)
The OP never saw the skeptical posts on yesterday's thread, and then Admin closed the thread.
I think responses on today's thread are somewhat kinder.
It is a huge co-incidence to lose one cat from a lanai in January and a second cat in October, but co-incidences do happen.
I think that prompted some of the questions.

If lightening did strike twice, don't you think the OP would have said something about having to endure this "heartbreak" twice in one year? Raise your hands if you would have not mentioned the first event while you were issuing a "warning" to folks.

tomwed 10-04-2015 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1124066)
"upset at the number of doubting Thomas's"

This gets my goat. It's always Thomas.
There's doubting Thomas, and Peeping Tom and Tom's have been accused of stealing a pig and running away.

Who says Doubting Fred? no one
Who says Peeping Arnold? no one

hmphhhhh

I think an apology is in order....

gerryann 10-04-2015 10:29 AM

As all have said....if any animal was injured in the midst of these tales, I'm truly sorry. Don't want any animals injured or killed.

I am aware of three individuals, living in TV that post on social media that appear "obsessed" by this whole coyote thing. I believe that once they went to whomever they went to and tried unsuccessfully to make the coyote population disappear; they made it their mission in life to prove to the world that coyotes need to be gone.

We all know that there ARE coyotes. Those of us with pets KNOW that we must take precautions.......but IF any of these accounts are false....shame on anyone who would do this.

I'm not enjoying my walks with my pup cause I'm constantly on the watch for any predator. Other folks have stated that they are very frightened to even venture outside with their dogs.

Obviously, the poster here with the fluffy white "Siamese" cat who seems to disappear when questioned is another one of the coyote obsessed villagers. I for one, do not want to be told anything but the truth when it comes to reporting an animals death....especially if it didn't happen.

Cmon OP give us details please.

golfing eagles 10-04-2015 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by tomwed (Post 1124097)
This gets my goat. It's always Thomas.
There's doubting Thomas, and Peeping Tom and Tom's have been accused of stealing a pig and running away.

Who says Doubting Fred? no one
Who says Peeping Arnold? no one

hmphhhhh

I think an apology is in order....

Did you ask your parents to apologize?:1rotfl:

golfing eagles 10-04-2015 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by TheVillageChicken (Post 1124091)
If lightening did strike twice, don't you think the OP would have said something about having to endure this "heartbreak" twice in one year? Raise your hands if you would have not mentioned the first event while you were issuing a "warning" to folks.

Great point!!! I would have titled the thread "I can't believe this happened again" or something similar

TheVillageChicken 10-04-2015 10:55 AM

I see four possibilities:

Both events occurred. Tragic.

Neither event occurred. Therapy.

Only the first event occurred and the OP resuscitated it and modified it to make an impact. OK, she is a lawyer.

Only the second event occurred. She should abandon law and become a prophet.

njbchbum 10-04-2015 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1124066)
Neighbors have been reporting sighting coyotes all around Bonnybrook neighbors and hence one can conclude Lynnhaven.

One neighbor told me she often sighted an alligator trying to get into her lanai at get at her small dog.

I suspect the OP may be upset at the number of doubting Thomas's and just decided to abandoned her interest in responding...and it is a fair and justifiable response

Upset? Nah! Seekiing attention and/or stirring the pot!

I'd like to know which of the folks who have lost a cat due to its being snatched from within a lanai by a coyote has actually OBSERVED the snatching so as to be able to verify that is was a coyote doing the snatching. Without an eyewitness accounting all the coyote blame is hogwash - or at least doubtable!

Taltarzac725 10-04-2015 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by njbchbum (Post 1124115)
Upset? Nah! Seekiing attention and/or stirring the pot!

I'd like to know which of the folks who have lost a cat due to its being snatched from within a lanai by a coyote has actually OBSERVED the snatching so as to be able to verify that is was a coyote doing the snatching. Without an eyewitness accounting all the coyote blame is hogwash - or at least doubtable!

Bobcat or coyote. I do not think we get the subadult humans who do these kind of things sometimes in other communities. There were paw prints in at least one of these cat snatchings in the Villages.

I just want the wild life to leave the pets alone. However that can be accomplished with minimum pain and injury to both the pets and pet owners as well as the wild life should be the issue.

gerryann 10-04-2015 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by njbchbum (Post 1124115)
Upset? Nah! Seekiing attention and/or stirring the pot!

I'd like to know which of the folks who have lost a cat due to its being snatched from within a lanai by a coyote has actually OBSERVED the snatching so as to be able to verify that is was a coyote doing the snatching. Without an eyewitness accounting all the coyote blame is hogwash - or at least doubtable!

I know that the 2 women (1 home, 1 cat) that were featured on Channel 9 a few weeks ago owned a ferrel cat that they adopted. Tha cat was an "outside" cat. The cat didn't return and they "assumed" a coyote took it. They saw a coyote one day in their neighborhood.

I don't believe that any coyote was actually SEEN by anyone that had a cat that disappeared. The only one I know of is the gentleman that said a coyote took his unleashed dog in the dark.

gerryann 10-04-2015 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1124121)

I just want the wild life to leave the pets alone. However that can be accomplished with minimum pain and injury to both the pets and pet owners as well as the wild life should be the issue.

When there are legitimate reasons to address this issue, then maybe some thought can be put into it.

One unleashed dog supposedly being snatched by a coyote does not warrant any action......except for owners to be cautious and aware.

Taltarzac725 10-04-2015 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by gerryann (Post 1124132)
I know that the 2 women (1 home, 1 cat) that were featured on Channel 9 a few weeks ago owned a ferrel cat that they adopted. Tha cat was an "outside" cat. The cat didn't return and they "assumed" a coyote took it. They saw a coyote one day in their neighborhood.

I don't believe that any coyote was actually SEEN by anyone that had a cat that disappeared. The only one I know of is the gentleman that said a coyote took his unleashed dog in the dark.

Just by looking at the screen you should be able to tell if an animal broke into it or out of it. Same principle as glass on the inside of a house or on the outside for whether a burglar actually broke in or someone is looking for insurance by claiming one broke in. The threads of the screen should show. https://youtu.be/UPDzZYDkWMU

Sueffle 10-04-2015 11:42 AM

So sorry. Where do you live?

Taltarzac725 10-04-2015 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Sueffle (Post 1124142)
So sorry. Where do you live?

The OP (original poster) lives in Duval.

Bonny 10-04-2015 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1124141)
Just by looking at the screen you should be able to tell if an animal broke into it or out of it. Same principle as glass on the inside of a house or on the outside for whether a burglar actually broke in or someone is looking for insurance by claiming one broke in. The threads of the screen should show.

A screen might be more difficult. An animal can certainly pushed a screen jumping, etc. or use their claws to scratch at it and maybe pull the screen in.

Taltarzac725 10-04-2015 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonny (Post 1124144)
A screen might be more difficult. An animal can certainly pushed a screen jumping, etc. or use their claws to scratch at it and maybe pull the screen in.

Would you not be able to tell if a cat ran through a screen or got through it some other way from how the hole looks? I suppose a con artist trying to fool an insurance investigator could tamper with the evidence as could some troll looking to create havoc on a web-site. Trolls are rarely very subtle though and usually go for instant gratification in trying stir the pot. They rarely play a long con game.

gerryann 10-04-2015 12:11 PM

What's up with this OP????? Seriously, if all of this happened to you, just come on here and explain!! NOBODY wants to believe you are making this up. Just explain your post. We are all ears.

Taltarzac725 10-04-2015 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by gerryann (Post 1124161)
What's up with this OP????? Seriously, if all of this happened to you, just come on here and explain!! NOBODY wants to believe you are making this up. Just explain your post. We are all ears.

I doubt if she is making this up as her real name and address are easy to get to from the web-site she used to post the pictures.

Some kind of cognitive dissonance may be involved here too. Cognitive Dissonance Theory | Simply Psychology


I would be rather upset if I went on a site hoping for sympathy and just got disbelief. That actually has happened to me a lot on other sites when trying to tell people about my own biographical history and instead of trying to understand it, they attack the messenger.

Most trolls want to be anonymous for a reason.

Butterfly201 10-04-2015 02:18 PM

I first read about a woman out walking early and she saw a coyote near Buttonwood Run. It ignored her. Then I read about a small dog being taken from his front lawn with the owner standing there--and a cat taken from a lanai overnight. After reading about another cat in the other "news source" I decided to be safer than sorry and fixed my cat door so my cats can't get out to the lanai unless I let them into the lanai. It seems these happenings are early morning mostly, except the small dog. This is serious for pet owners. If it is a hoax it is a terrible thing to do. I also think derisive comments don't help matters if it is not a hoax.

CFrance 10-04-2015 02:20 PM

But where is the OP and why not answering anyone's questions? Tal, usually when someone comes on, states something fantastic, and then disappears despite dozens of posts, it's questionable.

su2009 10-04-2015 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonny (Post 1123859)
Yes it showed up and many people posted on it. The thread has been deleted.

I had TWO Siamese cats taken from our lanai this year!!!! Teo was taken from our lanai the night of January 15, 2015, but I found our screen door was not tightly latched and there was a muddy smeary print the size of a large dog's paw on our lanai - it was cold and raining that night, and I posted on this forum about it. I lost Timmer the night of October 1, 2015 - just three days ago -- and I had the checked the screen door and it was tightly latched. The screens were all intact, and I had no idea he was at risk. This time, the coyote tore through the screen. Here are Teo and Timmer together, before Teo was taken: http://www.lawmarkets.com/images/2-siamese-cats.jpg

su2009 10-04-2015 03:15 PM

I lost BOTH of my Siamese cats from our lanai within nine months - and both, I believe, to coyotes. Timmer was very shy and never wanted to even go on the patio unless he was with me. Just one week earlier, I took Timmer to the vet for his annual shots and teeth cleaning, and the vet tech clipped his claws very short. He could never have torn a big hole in our lanai screen, nor would he - he had been sitting out every day and night for the entire six years we have been here. We live on Bramble Terrace in the Village of Bonita, on the Kenya golf course, and our neighbors had met both cats many times. I would never have let Timmer go out on the lanai had I not believed he was safe with the screen door tightly latched and all screens completely intact. Here, again, is a photo of Teo and Timmer before Teo disappeared in January: http://www.lawmarkets.com/images/2-siamese-cats.jpg

FosterMomma 10-04-2015 03:22 PM

Su2009... I'm so sorry of this has happened to you again. I would be heartbroken if one of my boys was attacked.


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